SS OU GrimmScreens and Sweep (Peak mid 1800s, top 25 ladder)

Background: After Dynamax was banned I thought about the fact that outside of Darm-G and Dracovish, there were very few powerful attackers in the meta that could actually disrupt a team with screens. So I wanted to make a team where you set up screens and go out to something that can take w/e is in front of it and win.
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Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Taunt
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Drain Punch

The screens choice was easy, Grimmsnarl is easily the best screens mon with priority taunt and great defensive typing which also disallows Prankster against it. The attacking move I settled on after testing and seeing that Bisharp and Tyranitar would come in for free and if I Reflect first on lead Excadrill and they Stealth Rock instead of attacking I beat it w/o hax. It gets a lot of surprise kills with it and sometimes can even be decent to give it longevity it shouldn't have if the opponent chooses to volt/turn around to wear out the screens.

My thought process on picking the sweepers was getting a decent amount of immunities and having a fairly even spread of SpA and Att sweepers so I wasn't just walled by like Pex or something.

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Dragapult (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Infiltrator
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Phantom Force
- Dragon Darts

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Cloyster (M) @ King's Rock
Ability: Skill Link
Shiny: Yes
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Shard
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Shell Smash

The Att sweepers were fairly easy to choose. I continuously saw DD Dragapult destroying teams on the ladder and I wanted in on the action. It also gave a solid fighting immunity to play with. It is also useful for revenge killing anything thanks to its speed tier.

Cloyster has always been the "noob trap" sweeper that is always more effective than what it is in theory. Screens allow it to run King's Rock pretty safely which can give it a full sweep against its stops in Pex, Corsola-G, and Rotom-W. It is also the easiest mon to setup on any physical attacker lacking fighting moves. I haven't tested Liquidation yet but I do like Ice Shard. It ensures sometimes I win versus some choice scarf or priority, can revenge kill in a pinch, and works to play mind games against sucker punch.
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Bisharp (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Throat Chop
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch

Bisharp came in as the perfect glue for the team although it is probably one of the more replaceable mons from the team (I've tested Excadrill instead to mixed results). It has two immunities to play with and can't be priority taunted. It wall breaks a lot of the stuff the rest of the team can't touch easily and has emergency priority in case things get dicey. It also is the perfect play for anything defogging screens or if the enemy manages to set up sticky webs as I'm not running any hazard clearance.
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Sylveon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
Shiny: Yes
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Mystical Fire
- Draining Kiss
- Hyper Voice
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Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Happiness: 160
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Agility
- Psychic
- Aura Sphere

The SpA sweepers were harder to figure out but are probably the most "innovative" part of the team. There really aren't many good SpA sweepers out there but Sylveon did come to mind as one to use to beat Trick Room teams and have as a pivot for strong special attackers. Plus I needed a fairy that wasn't Grimmsnarl so I could proper revenge kill an obvious dragon move. It was originally the more standard Wish/Protect set but I was finding I was getting walled too easily by like Aegislash and some others. Plus I hated that Soundproof Koomo'o could somehow win so I wanted Draining Kiss. This set does work well but its biggest issue is it being slower than Corviknight.

Mew is the big standout from the team in my opinion. I was trying to find some SpA user that could raise its speed as well as that was pretty much an assured win con in todays meta. Unfortunately, the best example of that is like Frosmoth or something. But I thought to try double dance. I mean after all, I have screens and usually with a DD type move you need at least 2 to really pop off anyway.

Well Mew fit that bill and it's all the more amazing for it. 100 across the board is ridiculous statwise in today's meta. It basically guarantees it lives against anything not named Aegislash, Dragapult, and Hydreigon. Mew also obviously has the most coverage options of any pokemon but it is very limited with only 2 slots. I considered bolt/beam but wanted to have something that killed on one nasty plot in most cases so I chose Psychic and at first I tried out Fire Blast to kill off Corv and Aegislash which you could still run but I found I liked it better to be able to kill off Darks like Tyranitar, Obstagoon, and Hydreigon. I figured out most of those don't really need a full Focus Blast to kill or I at least live something by them with screens so I chose the more (or most) accurate route with Aura Sphere.


Weaknesses: One of the mons that just makes me want to die on the enemy team is Toxapex. Despite having an ostensible out to Mew, I can't switch in on it due to Toxic and Mew generally has at least one counter the enemy can switch to easily if I don't have screens up. Haze is obviously the biggest issue. I've had Dragapult on 5 DD's before and it did not die which cost me the game. I mean what in the world is that. I can beat it with Bisharp sometimes if it doesn't burn me on the first scald. The issue is that it can always just switch out and get health until I can't beat it anymore since I don't have hazards.

Corviknight is not terrible but can be annoying with Bulk Up since then I can't beat it with Dragapult and Mew is on a timer to kill it. It almost always can 2HKO Sylveon is the issue and Mystical Fire usually needs to be at like +2 to actually kill.

Aegislash is maybe the worst lead to encounter outside of a true counter like Brick Break Drapion (which yes I've seen). You don't really know whether it is physical or special attacking or if it's choiced or not. So I just reflect and generally I live non-specs Flash Cannon with Grimmsnarl but it does suck to throw him out turn 2. It has shadow sneak usually even on SpA sets to stop my sweepers sometimes which is especially bad with two ghost weaknesses in Drag and Mew.

Enemy Grimmsnarls are annoying since I have no one immune to Twave and opposing screens are just a problem in general although I can stall them.

Enemy Dragapults are always interesting to deal with although Sylveon should be comfortable with it and if Grimmsnarl is alive they can't really do anything. The dumb thing with them is that +2 ice shard is a roll out of favor to OHKO so if they're scarf it stops cloyster.

Any team with a solid Normal/Fairy core wall Dragapult from a sweep which can suck.

Overall, I think the team can outplay most other teams. I've only encountered a few that truly are monstrous for it (I mean Brick Break Drapion...what a man). It can lose to hax and sometimes can only win through hax but that's just Pokemon. Usually that comes in the form of para or crit against me and usually that comes in the form of flinching with Cloyster for my opponent.
 
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Before I start, I'd just like to say that I too have been shrekt by the Brick Break Drapion guy, also while running a screens team. It's a pretty sad feeling.

Dragapult and Aegislash are both really tough for hyper offense to deal with in general since scouting is hard, but I think your corviknight and toxapex problems are solvable. Here's one thing I've got in mind.

:sylveon: --> :clefable:
Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 188 HP / 252 SpA / 64 Spe
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower

This minor variation on standard LO clef gives you a decent analogue to your existing CM Sylveon set but that has a much easier time KOing corviknight and toxapex. The speed EVs let you creep max spdef corvi even if it drops its last 4 EVs into speed. The added HP makes clef more bulky when you get a CM up.

I don't have personal experience with this set but it seems like it could work in the Sylveon slot.

One last bit of feedback is that I tend to run Black Glasses on Bisharp over LO. The extra power on Iron Head is often not significant since you mainly use it for fairies who get OHKOd anyway, while the slight power drop for dark moves doesn't make much difference. I also prefer Adamant for Bisharp, but if hitting a certain speed tier is important for your team then definitely stick with Jolly.
 
Due to your team's Toxapex allergy I recommend trying Gengar over Mew. While it doesn't have Mew's bulk or access to Agility, it can still harass slower teams and is faster before boosting up, along with not caring about Pex's Toxic and naturally absorbing Toxic Spikes. You'll probably want to go with the NP 3 Attacks set but Sub NP could work too as passive mons will struggle to break its sub when screens are up. In the case of the latter, max speed might not be needed. I don't know which mons Gengar absolutely needs to outspeed aside from like Hydreigon. Some of the speed EVs could go into bulk so the sub can stay intact against certain hits.

:Gengar:
Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 Spa / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Nasty Plot
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Wave
-Focus Blast

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 Spa / 4 SpD / 252 Spe or whatever is optimal
Timid Nature
-Nasty Plot
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast

If you're feeling extra memey then SG Toxtricity could work.

:Toxtricity:
Toxtricity @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature (or Timid)
-Shift Gear
-Boomburst
-Overdrive
-Snarl / Sludge Wave

Toxtricity @ Life Orb
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature (lowers spedef over def bc of sucker punch aqua jet etc)
-Shift Gear
-Boomburst
-Overdrive
-Fire Punch

Maybe you could try Screens Mew as your lead? It has Stealth Rock and Spikes unlike Grimm.
 
If you have problems with pex, use hatterene over sylveon:

Hatterene-Gmax @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 Spe
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Draining Kiss
- Mystical Fire
- Calm Mind

And honestly I would change the fighting coverage in mew for a fire one, fire blast is ideal
 
Before I start, I'd just like to say that I too have been shrekt by the Brick Break Drapion guy, also while running a screens team. It's a pretty sad feeling.

He's a powerful being, to be respected and revered for sure.

:sylveon: --> :clefable:
Clefable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 188 HP / 252 SpA / 64 Spe
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower

I've definitely considered Clef as a Sylveon substitute and will definitely try out your EVs as I like the reasoning.

One last bit of feedback is that I tend to run Black Glasses on Bisharp over LO. The extra power on Iron Head is often not significant since you mainly use it for fairies who get OHKOd anyway, while the slight power drop for dark moves doesn't make much difference. I also prefer Adamant for Bisharp, but if hitting a certain speed tier is important for your team then definitely stick with Jolly.

I like this because there have been some times where Bisharp can sweep if he just didn't lose health or times when I lose because I'm stuck on my last attack against some setup sweeper that can survive a hit or something. I do like Jolly though, outspeeding opposing Bisharp is actually a really good situation I've come across a few times and there's a few notable mons in the same speed tier.

Toxtricity @ Life Orb
Ability: Punk Rock
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature (lowers spedef over def bc of sucker punch aqua jet etc)
-Shift Gear
-Boomburst
-Overdrive
-Fire Punch

Maybe you could try Screens Mew as your lead? It has Stealth Rock and Spikes unlike Grimm.

I like Toxitricity suggestion more than Gengar because it's bulkier, hits a bit harder, and actually sets it up to sweep totally but I don't like it over Mew I think. Mew is great because it generally can come in on anything after screens are set up. All the other mons are a bit more specific.

And obviously, I don't want to change to screens Mew if I like the sweeper. Plus I think Grimmsnarl is much better still. Stealth Rock isn't as important as taunt imo.

Hatterene-Gmax @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 Spe
Bold Nature
- Psychic
- Draining Kiss
- Mystical Fire
- Calm Mind

And honestly I would change the fighting coverage in mew for a fire one, fire blast is ideal

I've also thought of Hatterene and do like it especially for magic bounce and having basically the same coverage moves, what I don't like about it is possibly losing to Hydreigon and not having a solid switch in all the time for SpA threats. I mean Hatt's SpD is not bad either but Sylveons is just excellent plus HP, that's why I'm feeling Clef more.

I've tried Fire Blast prior to Aura Sphere and I just feel like getting past Hydreigon and Tyranitar is more valuable to me most of the time. Maybe I'll think different on it sometime if Frosmoth becomes popular or something but for now I like it.

Thanks for all the suggestions!
 
I have been always wondering, but what are the pros and cons of sub dd Dragapult? I always can't use it properly.
Pros: Defeats opposing screens/sub, hits nearly everything, fast right away and has bulk to set up under screens, dragon darts bypasses focus sash
Cons: Can be completely walled by a fairy and normal type (you can always attack with fairy until phantom force is used then switch). You can use steel wing instead of sub to not have this problem. Still walled by haze pex
 
Pros: Defeats opposing screens/sub, hits nearly everything, fast right away and has bulk to set up under screens, dragon darts bypasses focus sash
Cons: Can be completely walled by a fairy and normal type (you can always attack with fairy until phantom force is used then switch). You can use steel wing instead of sub to not have this problem. Still walled by haze pex
Oh wait, I found out bisharp walls it too, but thanks for the reply
 
I like this team, but after playing just with it I really felt not having a ground resistance. Even getting hit by non boosted ground moves with screens up can really hurt your chances of a sweep when compounded by the lack of defog. And dugtrio is just too much of a threat when nothing has a ground resist.

I also found dragapult very underwhelming as a substitute sweeper with this set, and transitioned him into a special wallbreaker with 2 sets (specs, draco, thunderbolt, dark pulse, uturn), (specs, draco, fire blast, dark pulse, uturn). One better vs pex, other better vs ferrothorn (who you cant always hit with sucker punch, and isnt honestly checked that well by taunt/drain punch grimsnarl due to gyro ball). Both give you a good way to break corv, who gets 2 shot even after bulk up.

To make up for the lack of dragapult as a physical sweeper, I cut mew for dd gyarados (no crunch). Even if he gets killed, he can do the damage he needs for cloyster to sweep through with priority ice shard on the things that threaten it.

I played less than 20 games, and it was on a new username so obviously screen sweeper teams is gonna blow through teams full of shitmons or clueless players in low elo, but I felt like these changes worked, at least for me. Didn't drop a game once I made these adjustments.
 
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I like this team, but after playing just with it I really felt not having a ground resistance. Even getting hit by non boosted ground moves with screens up can really hurt your chances of a sweep when compounded by the lack of defog. And dugtrio is just too much of a threat when nothing has a ground resist.

I also found dragapult very underwhelming as a substitute sweeper with this set, and transitioned him into a special wallbreaker with the 3 sets (specs, draco, thunderbolt, dark pulse, uturn), (specs, draco, fire blast, dark pulse, uturn). One better vs pex, other better vs ferrothorn (who you cant always hit with sucker punch, and isnt honestly checked that well by taunt/drain punch grimsnarl due to gyro ball). Both give you a good way to break corv, who gets 2 shot even after bulk up. Tho may have to sack if sub is up.

To make up for the lack of dragapult as a physical sweeper, I cut mew for dd gyarados (no crunch). Even if he gets killed, he can do the damage he needs for cloyster to sweep through with priority ice shard on the things that threaten it.

I played less than 20 games, and it was on a new username so obviously screen sweeper teams is gonna blow through teams full of shitmons or clueless players in low elo, but I felt like these changes worked, at least for me. Didn't drop a game once I made these adjustments.
The thing is, someone with a team called scarlet rags peaked 1778 without a ground resist. thaat is something.
 
I like this team, but after playing just with it I really felt not having a ground resistance. Even getting hit by non boosted ground moves with screens up can really hurt your chances of a sweep when compounded by the lack of defog. And dugtrio is just too much of a threat when nothing has a ground resist.
I do agree there have been situations where I look for a switch on EQ and realize there isn't really a great option. But I will say quite obviously Cloyster and Mew are generally tanky enough behind screens for them to be fine on that move. I mean Dug and Exca are two of the best Pokemon for Cloyster to set up on generally.

I've made a few different variations of this team over the course of the past few weeks and I'll say only one has had a ground resist (Power Trip Corv) and they've all been fairly successful (one day I ran 2 versions up to 1900+ on ladder).

I'll post their pastebins here and here's a general ranking of how successful I think they've been:
1. Exca Grimm
2. Grimm Snomm
3. Power Screens
4. Grimm and Snarl

I've been trying out different Mews, I think it's a very useful threat considering it really could be doing anything.
 
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