Grimmsnarl (New Format) (0/2)

[ImperialGamer517]

[SET]
name: Screens Support
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Thunder Wave / Taunt / Trick
move 4: Spirit Break
item: Light Clay / Lagging Tail
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

* Grimmsnarl makes for a great support Pokemon on hyper offense teams thanks to its ability to setup screens and cripple switch-ins.

* Reflect and Light Screen allow setup sweepers to set up multiple times before Dynamaxing.

* Thunder Wave is a great option for crippling switch-ins, but Taunt can be used in its place to hinder setup sweepers and hazard setters from doing their work. Trick is another option for Grimmsnarl to trick Lagging Tail to make foes move last.

* Spirit Break allows Grimmsnarl to hit the Dark-types that are immune to Prankster. This also allows Grimmsnarl to deal with the Rotom formes.

* When running Lagging Tail, Reflect and Light Screen can be replaced with both Taunt and Thunder Wave.

EV Spreads
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* 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD Careful: This spread maximizes Grimmsnarl’s special defense, and it also allows the latter to prevent an OHKO from Aegislash’s Flash Cannon.

* 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Impish: This spread allows Grimmsnarl to be more on the physically defensive side, allowing it to prevent an OHKO from Mimikyu’s Play Rough.

* 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe Adamant: This spread allows Grimmsnarl to prevent becoming setup bait, and this spread also allows Grimmsnarl to OHKO Hydreigon and Dragapult with Spirit Break.

Team Options
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Setup sweepers appreciate Grimmsnarl setting up screens for them, as well as crippling switch-ins. Weakness Policy users appreciate Grimmsnarl setting up screens to reduce damage from super effective moves.

Setup Sweepers:

Weakness Policy Users:

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Darkest Lariat / Sucker Punch
move 2: Spirit Break
move 3: Bulk Up
move 4: Thunder Wave / Superpower / Sucker Punch
item: Expert Belt / Focus Sash / Sitrus Berry
ability: Prankster
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

* Grimmsnarl makes for a potential late-game wincon and a revenge killer thanks to Bulk Up and Sucker Punch respectively.

* Play Rough can be used over Spirit Break for Grimmsnarl to hit harder against the likes of Dragapult and Hydreigon, at the cost of some accuracy.

* Superpower is great coverage that allows Grimmsnarl to surprise Steel-types that would switch-in to tank Grimmsnarl’s Fairy-type STAB.

* Expert Belt allows Grimmsnarl to OHKO Dragapult with Sucker Punch, but Focus Sash can be used for Grimmsnarl to survive a Steel-type attack and KO back with Superpower. Sitrus Berry gives Grimmsnarl access to longevity, allowing it to setup more.

EV Spreads
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* 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe Adamant: This set allows Grimmsnarl to hit the hardest it can, and it also gets Speed EV investment.

* 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 SpD Adamant: This EV spread utilizes Grimmsnarl’s offensive power, as well as a little bit of SpD EV creep.

Team Options
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Offensive Grimmsnarl appreciates entry hazard support. It also appreciates checks to Steel- and Fairy-types.

Hazard Support:

Steel-type Checks:

Fairy-type Checks:

General Team Options
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Grimmsnarl can form cores with Dragon- and Steel-types that can cover each other’s weaknesses.

Dragon-types:

Steel-types:

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[ImperialGamer517, 506687]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1]], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

 

[ImperialGamer517]

I’m now ready for QC

 

[1_TrickPhony]

Good work so far. QC is gonna need to determine whether or not offensive grimmsnarl is even worth mentioning anymore, but otherwise its a solid start. ImperialGamer517

1. Change all of your bullet points to " * ". Its the way the smogon dex recognizes bullets, your current way wont format correctly.
2. With Spirit break, which is an exclusive move, mention in both offensive and screens its SpA drop, which helps it deal with Rotom forms and the like.
3. For set 1, mention that if Lagging Tail is used, Reflect and Light Screen are not necessary and can be replaced with either Taunt, Thunder Wave, or both.
4. I don't like the full SpD on Grimmsnarl for Screens Support, especially not as the spread for the main set. At a bare minimum, you need to run 92 Def in order almost always survive 2 hits of Excadrill Iron Head behind Reflect. Coincidentally, this is also the spread I happen to use and would recommend: 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD Careful
5. Your team options for set one needs work. Preliminarily, the setup sweepers need to include Togekiss, Haxorus, Cloyster, and Diggersby in set one, and WP abusers needs to include Tyranitar, Dracozolt, Corviknight, For the general team options, I don't think I like including Grimmsnarl as a whole in partnership with Trick Room, as the main set, screens, is slightly antithetical to your goals in Trick Room. Even with the offensive version, Grimmsnarl needs to set up Bulk up to be effective, whereas most TR sweepers can hit hard immediately without setup.

 

[ImperialGamer517]

For the first point, should I do the same with Rotom-C?

 

[1_TrickPhony]

For the first point, should I do the same with Rotom-C?

Yes please!

 

[ImperialGamer517]

1_TrickPhony did what you said

 

[marilli]

The problem I have with the current slashing is that Lagging Tail Trick set is definitely NOT a screens supporter set. And it seems like you suggest Laggint Tail Trick on a screens setter, but in fact you suggest just using standard supportive fare in T-wave and Taunt

Here's an alternative presentation

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Spirit Break
move 2: Thunder Wave / Taunt
move 3: Reflect / Trick
move 4: Light Screen / Thunder Wave / Taunt
item: Light Clay / Lagging Tail
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD

Alternatively, we can actually split the set into 2 sets, which make far more sense in my opinion

[SET]
name: Dual Screens
move 1: Spirit Break
move 2: Thunder Wave / Taunt / Foul Play
move 3: Reflect
move 4: Light Screen
item: Light Clay / Lagging Tail
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD

[SET]
name: Lagging Tail
move 1: Trick
move 2: Spirit Break
move 3: Taunt
move 4: Foul Play / Thunder Wave
item: Lagging Tail
ability: Prankster
nature: Careful
evs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 172 SpD

Not sure if these 2 sets are worth separate listing, so it'd be best if other QC can chime in with this. I feel like the Lagging Tail set is a far more situational support for Pokemon that are either not favored in the metagame anymore, or a very small number of Pokemon, so I can see it not getting a set at all.

 

[Theorymon]

Sorry, but I don't think you really have enough metagame knowledge to be doing any analyses, so I'm locking both of them.