Guys, it's Abomasnow and this is a discussion about it

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Ice/Grass type
90 HP / 92 Atk / 75 Def / 92 SAtk / 85 SDef / 60 Spd

Ability: Snow Warning (When Abomasnow is brought into battle, a snowstorm (hail) starts.)

Physical Movepool
Ice Punch
Razor Leaf
Ice Shard
Wood Hammer
Focus Punch
Bullet Seed
Frustration/Return
Earthquake
Iron Tail
Brick Break
Facade
Secret Power
Fling
Giga Impact
Avalanche
Rock Slide
Natural Gift
Seed Bomb
Double-Edge

Special Movepool
Icy Wind
Blizzard
Sheer Cold
Water Pulse
Ice Beam
Hyper Beam
Giga Drain
Solar Beam
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Energy Ball
Grass Knot
Magical Leaf

Support Movepool
Leer
Grasswhistle
Swagger
Mist
Ingrain
Toxic
Light Screen
Protect
Safeguard
Rest
Attract
Endure
Flash
Swords Dance
Captivate
Sleep Talk
Substitute
Leech Seed
Growth

Wow, he actually has some fairly good moves. It is most likely to compensate for his incredible amount of weaknesses to most common types. However, he does have some use, thanks to his Tyranitar-esque ability and the fact that a number of Pokemon have new abilities to take advantage of this. However, he cannot necessarily do that much. His defenses are weak and his attack powers are about decent.

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
-Light Screen
-Grass Knot
-Ice Beam
-Leech Seed

He can put up a screen and Leech Seed something. Ice Beam and Grass Knot for STAB. Luckily, he is supereffective on both Dragons and Water-types, which makes him of some use. Grass Knot because a number of "heavy" pokemon will most likely come in, such as Tyranitar and Rhyperior. Otherwise, run. Protect can also be used over Light Screen to give him some more durability, something that he sorely lacks.
 
Well much like Exeggutor, this guy has 7 weaknesses one being a 4x weakness (Fire) and as such hes a hard guy to get in... Hes a Hard Guy to KEEP in as well as Infernape has no problems switching into Snowy that doesnt have Earthquake on it for example... However, since he is slower than most Tyranitar setups (If not all of them) the way the weather system works would have Hail reign supreme if you started with poor Snowy against a Tyranitar... (That is if I recall right from the Kyogre and Groundon Weather situations from RSE). As much as 100% accurate Blizzard is nice in Hail, as far as we know so far, hail doesn't forward your team many benefits, and can be a hinderance to your team more than a help.

Its Weaknesses are specifically Fire (x4), Bug, Flying, Poison, Steel, Fighting, and Rock...
It Resists: Water, Electric, Grass, and Ground

So I guess you can get it in against "some" water pokemon and chase them off...

I donno, This thing is cool looking and all, but I donno if they perhaps made a mistake here design wise. I think they were hoping this thing would be really good (gamefreak), but I dont think its up to par with a lot of other things... At least Exeggutor could "sorta" get away with all of its weaknesses with a Sunny-Sleep Powder and such...

I prefer Physical for Snowy STAB Ice Shard is always a good thing...
Abomasnow@Life Orb
(why bother with Leftovers when you are hitting and running with this thing so darn often)
- Ice Punch
- Seed Bomb/Wood Hammer
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
 
Agreed with above. Not intending to make an example of the first moveset in the thread but.

Ice Beam over Blizzard on Abomasnow is completely redundant because of his skill. Only thing it has going for it is 5 more PP but I hardly think Abomasnow is gonna stick around long enough to be able to run out of PP.

Pretty much same reason why despite having Swords Dance it probably won't get to enjoy its benefits. Eitherway one set I want to try out is.

Abomasnow@ Leftovers
-Substitute
-Blizzard
-Grass Knot/Energy Ball
-Focus Punch/Earthquake/Growth

Not much special, just a special hitter. If you want to give certain fact blobs or fire types a surprise than you can pack Focus Punch or EQ on instead of Growth.



Abomasnow@Salac Berry
-Ice Shard
-Swords Dance
-Endure/Substitute
-Seed Bomb/Earthquake

One other set that I might give a go. Something about this set amuses me. Salac Berry is simply there because you want to be able to fire that Seed Bomb off on water walls. Or if you fear fire more, you can forgo STAB for EQ for a nice Ice/Ground attack combo.


And that last set gave me an idea for an even sillier one.

Abomasnow @Salac Berry
-Blizzard
-Energy Ball/Grass Knot
-Growth
-Endure

Yeaaaaah. Grass Knot is viable since most bulky waters are heavy too.
 
I predict Abomasnow will be an interesting choice in UU and 2v2 (Blizzard is 100% power on both opponents iirc), but it will rarely be seen in 1v1 OU outside of gimmick teams.

I would just go all-out on attacking, Leech Seed seems a bit silly and Grass/Ice is a pretty decent attack combo.
 
The set I used on a Hail Team was defense oriented. Nothing blocks Bulky Waters like Abomasnow. It nuetralizes their Leftovers, easily eats Surf and Ice Beam, and can set up Light Screen.

My set was:

"Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Calm (+SD, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP/64 SD/192 Speed
<Snow Warning>
~ Substitute
~ Light Screen
~ Grass Knot
~ Blizzard

Got this up to 204 Speed. Basically used as a special wall of sorts. Bulky waters can't do anything to it, sets up Light Screen for the rest of the team."

Might as well use Abomasnow for what he is good at, which is walling the heck out of water/ice/(electric/grass) combinations on water types. Only fire types really like switching in and they don't like Stealth Rock.
 
Abomasnow, the Pokemon that strikes fear in the last few remaining Pokemon that would ever want to use Reversal or Flail in UU play. That's how I see the thing. Grass/Ice is pretty nice offensively as well.
 
But SubSeed always works well on all Grass Pokemon, even if it is Ice, but doesn't it have a 4x weakness to Fire, because of that? And it's attack isn't that bad either.
 
Abomasnow seems suited to countering bulky waters, especially with Light Screen, as it resists Water, Electric, Ground, and Grass, and is neutral to Ice with decent HP and Special Defense, and those 5 types are really the only types of attacks that Water Pokemon ever use.
 
60 Speed is subpar, not enough for Subseeding really effectively. It would work against Blissey and Snorlax, of course, but you cannot, say, wear down Metagross until he's in HP Fire KO range. Unless you invest a LOT of Speed, of course.
 
133tSneasel said:
But SubSeed always works well on all Grass Pokemon, even if it is Ice, but doesn't it have a 4x weakness to Fire, because of that? And it's attack isn't that bad either.
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It usually only works if they have a sleep move or some semblance of speed and don't die almost instantly.
 
There is one very good thing about Abomasnow's 60 speed.

And that is, Tyranitar has 61 speed.

So if they both come in on the same turn, most likely Abomasnow's Snow Warning will take priority over Sandstream.

Hippowdon is base 47, but it lacks STAB on stone edge (though it gets Fire Fang), and it's not gonna want to risk eating STAB Blizzards/Grass Ropes.
 
id use this as an electric and grass counter with some special defence evs investment...............beats pert, milotic, jolt zappy, ludicolo....think this has some potential in ou or u could invest some defensive evs and beat the crap outta gyarados without stone edge with hp electric as it resist all of gyara's moves cept ice fang
 
If you give it a CS and it is slower than Tyranitar without the CS, would SS or Hail go first? I still think it is SS , but just to make sure.
 
interesting pokemon.. dunno how long itll live but Id use something like this..

-Wood Hammer
-Blizzard
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
 
Resttalk isn't going to work with his weaks. He either needs CS and some amazing attacks or he needs to come in on bulky waters and abuse the fact that he resists all their attacks (and help the team somewhat).
 
If anything, I would use Rest without Sleep Talk.

At some point, the point for Abomasnow is to just come in and cancel other weather effects. Awake or asleep, it can accomplish that task.
 
SDShamshel said:
If anything, I would use Rest without Sleep Talk.

At some point, the point for Abomasnow is to just come in and cancel other weather effects. Awake or asleep, it can accomplish that task.
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To add to that, I would suggest using it with a Flash Fire-user like Houndoom or Heatran since they can come in on predicted Fire attacks. It means that such a Pokemon, if it has high enough speed, could potentially sweep with free set up for STAB moves. It's just an idea, but it would give something like CSpecs Heatran the edge to beat something like Dugtrio that it would normally take more to KO.
 
Heatran's damage output isn't really the problem with Dugtrio vs. Heatran, especially with choice specs. But I see what you mean about playing on his weaknesses, and if you go that route it shouldn't be too hard as the godamn thing has 7.

It's just unfortunate that while some things, like flash fire pokemon, kind of benefit indirectly from Abomasnow's presence, its Auto-Blizzard seems rather lackluster compared to Sandstorm and the pokemon that benefit from it. It's really a shame he's not faster, though, especially with that typing. I mean, not even Adherence Scarf redeems base 60 speed...

But anyways, here's hoping that someone discovers some hidden benefit of snowstorm akin to the sDEF sandstorm boost. Aye.
 
Hmm... 100% Blizzard is just so cool.
@Choice Scarf
Modest ~ 100 hp/212 spatk/196 speed
Blizzard
Grass Knot
HP Ground
Focus Blast

Modest with 252 spd and CS gives 328.5 speed. Does the game round up or down? If it rounds down then go with 196 speed evs, to get 307 spd, to outspeed the 306'ers. All the stuff you'd expect to screw this over does so, be it Blissey, T-tar, or Metagross.
If this Fking Blizzard doesn't 1hko a modest CGmence you have every right to quit the game forever.
 
That's a bit excessive. I'd bet STAB Blizzard OHKO's CGMence with no EVs and a minus SpAtk Nature...

For a CS set I have:
@ChoiceScarf
"SnowWarning", Lonely
EVs- 252Atk/someSpd/restSpDef-HP
-Blizzard
-FocusPunch
-WoodHammer
-Earthquake

Come in on a bulky water and WoodHammer it into the stone age. If they switch, you should be able to hit neutral against virtually everything (Gyarados can come in easy afterwards, note). Blizzard means you can come in after a sacrifice to force a dragon out.
 
I'm going to try Wood Hammer/Blizzard/Earthquake/Light Screen on him. Mixed attackers are always useful. They keep the opponent guessing. A Choice item might not be useful here, so i'd probably stick a life orb on him.

EVs on this set are going to be a bitch, though.
 
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