Hey, this is a hail team I've been using on shoddy for a while. It has gone through many modifications, and this is what I have come up with. It works quite well, it wins most of its battles, though every once in a while it runs into a team that it doesn't do as well against. WARNING: THIS IS LONG
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Abomasnow@leftovers
Snow Warning
Brave
252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp. Def
- Protect
- Seed Bomb
- Blizzard
- Ice Shard
Blizzard instead of ice punch because even without Sp. Attack EV's, it still does more damage with Blizzard. It also gives me a variety of attacks to choose from depending if the opponent is weaker physically or specially. I always start with protect to see what the opponent does. I shard is there to land a quick blow since often times he finds himself attack the opponent and the opponent attacks back, leaving them both with small amounts of hp. Ice shard can aslo knock out some dragons.
I was thinking of replacing seed bomb with wood hammer to handle skarmory and blissey better, a duo that is a threat to my team. It's speed is low so if there is a tyrantiar starter, hail with be the starting whether, however, it's still not slower than hippowdon though.
Tentacruel@Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
Calm
204 HP, 36 speed, 96 Sp. Attack, 172 Sp. Def
- Blizzard
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
If the pokemon is using a fire attack on my Abomasnow when he used protect, I switch to this guy most of the time. Surf as a useful stab move, often good against starting heatrans and infernapes. Heatran's earth power cannot 2HKO this guy, so if he does use earth power, I'll still be fine. Rapid spin saves me from those pesky stealth rocks that half of my team is weak to. Toxic Spikes helps immensly with this team as one of my pokemon is very good at stalling. So this guy is a sp. wall with utility that can do some immense damage to pokemon that are weak against its attacks.
This guy takes care of special attackers that use fire attacks, most namely heatran, one of the bigger threats to this team, and blizzard can OHKO dragons, but it can do immense damage to Zapdos which a thunderbolt cannot OHKO this person. Zapdos is also a great threat for this team for being ablel to use both heatwave and thunderbolt, which 5/6 of my team is weak against, and if it carries HP Ice, than 6/6 would be weak against that zapdos :( I was thinking of replacing one of the attacks with sludge bomb, but it has been only a few times when I wished I had sludge bomb availalable, so I probably won't.
Gliscor@leftovers
Sandviel
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Attack
- Roost
- Stealth Rocks
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
Physical wall for my team. Helpful if the weather turns into sandstorm. Stealth rocks along with toxic spikes from tentacruel helps.
This guy is very helpful against quick physical attackers. People like lucario and infernape who are moderate threats. Most namely however, I have fire fang to counter another great threat which is Scizsor and his pesky bullet punches. Fire fang usually does at leats 1/3 damage to scizor, so it often forces him to switch out or die.
Walrein@leftovers
Ice Body
Bold
220 HP, 244 Def, 46 Sp. Attack
- Blizzard
- Protect
- Substitute
- Roar
This is my stalling guy. Someone suggested it, and whoever came up with this is quite a clever person. With this EV spread, I have 416 HP, so a sub will have 104 HP. After I use a sub, I'll gain back 26hp from leftovers, and another 26hp from ice body at the end of the turn, total of 52 HP. The next turn, I can then just use protect, and ice body and leftovers gives back another 52 HP. So I have spent 104 HP and had just gained back 104, so the only facter is pp. On shoddy, I can stall the person for 32 turns, so if I got toxic spikes, this is often deadly.
This does not work as well with pokemon that aren't affected by toxic spikes, but still good regardless. The only thing that can get through this is a roar or whirlwind. Scizor's bullet punch only does about 25% damage and attacks from nonsweepers often have to attack twice to get rid of the sub. Heatran is a big problem for this guy as I can't really do much to it. If it doesn't have leftovers, then I can stall so the hail can kill it, but usually I just roar. This is also a guy I switch in if I find a pokemon like gyarados using DD or cresselia using calm mind to roar them away.
Mamoswine@Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Adamant
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Bite
- Stone Edge
This guy went through the most modification on the team. I used scarf mainly to outrun scarf heatran since none of my other pokemon, except for tentacruel, can take on heatran very well, and tentacruel is often prone to death since rapid spinning stealth rocks is much of the time more important than keeping tentacruel alive. I originally had ice fang instead of ice shard since the choice scarf may make ice shard redundant, but even so, with choic scarf, many pokemon can out run mamoswine after a single speed boost, and as he is my only very poweful physical sweeper, being able to attack first is crucial. Ice shard still is able to OHKO dragons, except for maybe a defensive dragonite. Bite is there mainly for the new oven-shaped rotom and cresselia. The flinch hax is useful and can 2HKO rotom and at least help stop cresselia from using calm mind with the flinch hax.. Stone eduge is good since I often use it when EQ would be super affective, but I expect him to switch to someone with levitate or something.
Froslass@Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Modest
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
This is my fast special sweeper. Pretty much nothing can outrun it without speed boosts. Shadow Ball is good against the oven-shaped rotom as he is a threat to my team for being able to use both fire and electrick attacks. Blizzard is very good against Zapdos, as he is one of the biggest threats. Zapdos is usually weakened before it meets froslass as frosslass can't switch in safely to much. So Froslass often ends up killing zapdos. A gyarados with one DD is still slower than this frosslass, so T-bolt takes care of that, but every once in a while I run into a Gyarados with very good Sp. Def, which is a pain. Often times if one of my counters to a threat is dead, I'll have to use destiny bond to save the rest of the team from the threat's wrath.
So froslass is able to attack many of the threats to my team decently. However, Bronzong is a large threat as none of my guys can do very much damage against it if it has levitate. Shadow ball can do about 1/3 damage if it's a physical set, but gyro ball can OHKO froslass, so I only send it in against bronzong to finish it off.
So there are my teams, I've mentioned quite a bit of significant threats, so here they are to sum them up.
Countered with Gliscor with fire fang, tentcruel also does decent damage to it and both of them don't take much damage from scizzor
Tries to counter with Abomasnow with seedbomb on blissey and blizzard on skarmory.
Countered with tentacruel as earth power won't do much damage to it, and mamoswine as it is faster than scarf heatran. Can also stall with walrein and let hail kill it.
Countered with fross lass if some of it's health is already down. Tentacruel can take a t-bolt and attack with blizzard, but can't OHKO it. Ice shard from either abomasnow or mamoswine, or froslass with blizzard can usually then finish it off.
Similar to zapdos, and is countered similarly. Tentacruel can survive a t-bolt. However, can switch in mamoswine to resist the t-bolt and can finish it with stone edge as mamoswine is faster. Froslass can also revenge kill with shadow ball.
Not really a counter for this guy. Just try to pound away at him until his healt is somewhat low. Tentacrel and froslass are the only ones that can do decent damage to this guy. Usually I send tentacruel as gyroball is more common than earthquake on bronzong.
So that was a very long post. Not sure if the list of threats was necessary, but oh well. Do you have any suggestions for this team?
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Abomasnow@leftovers
Snow Warning
Brave
252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp. Def
- Protect
- Seed Bomb
- Blizzard
- Ice Shard
Blizzard instead of ice punch because even without Sp. Attack EV's, it still does more damage with Blizzard. It also gives me a variety of attacks to choose from depending if the opponent is weaker physically or specially. I always start with protect to see what the opponent does. I shard is there to land a quick blow since often times he finds himself attack the opponent and the opponent attacks back, leaving them both with small amounts of hp. Ice shard can aslo knock out some dragons.
I was thinking of replacing seed bomb with wood hammer to handle skarmory and blissey better, a duo that is a threat to my team. It's speed is low so if there is a tyrantiar starter, hail with be the starting whether, however, it's still not slower than hippowdon though.
Tentacruel@Black Sludge
Liquid Ooze
Calm
204 HP, 36 speed, 96 Sp. Attack, 172 Sp. Def
- Blizzard
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic Spikes
If the pokemon is using a fire attack on my Abomasnow when he used protect, I switch to this guy most of the time. Surf as a useful stab move, often good against starting heatrans and infernapes. Heatran's earth power cannot 2HKO this guy, so if he does use earth power, I'll still be fine. Rapid spin saves me from those pesky stealth rocks that half of my team is weak to. Toxic Spikes helps immensly with this team as one of my pokemon is very good at stalling. So this guy is a sp. wall with utility that can do some immense damage to pokemon that are weak against its attacks.
This guy takes care of special attackers that use fire attacks, most namely heatran, one of the bigger threats to this team, and blizzard can OHKO dragons, but it can do immense damage to Zapdos which a thunderbolt cannot OHKO this person. Zapdos is also a great threat for this team for being ablel to use both heatwave and thunderbolt, which 5/6 of my team is weak against, and if it carries HP Ice, than 6/6 would be weak against that zapdos :( I was thinking of replacing one of the attacks with sludge bomb, but it has been only a few times when I wished I had sludge bomb availalable, so I probably won't.
Gliscor@leftovers
Sandviel
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Attack
- Roost
- Stealth Rocks
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
Physical wall for my team. Helpful if the weather turns into sandstorm. Stealth rocks along with toxic spikes from tentacruel helps.
This guy is very helpful against quick physical attackers. People like lucario and infernape who are moderate threats. Most namely however, I have fire fang to counter another great threat which is Scizsor and his pesky bullet punches. Fire fang usually does at leats 1/3 damage to scizor, so it often forces him to switch out or die.
Walrein@leftovers
Ice Body
Bold
220 HP, 244 Def, 46 Sp. Attack
- Blizzard
- Protect
- Substitute
- Roar
This is my stalling guy. Someone suggested it, and whoever came up with this is quite a clever person. With this EV spread, I have 416 HP, so a sub will have 104 HP. After I use a sub, I'll gain back 26hp from leftovers, and another 26hp from ice body at the end of the turn, total of 52 HP. The next turn, I can then just use protect, and ice body and leftovers gives back another 52 HP. So I have spent 104 HP and had just gained back 104, so the only facter is pp. On shoddy, I can stall the person for 32 turns, so if I got toxic spikes, this is often deadly.
This does not work as well with pokemon that aren't affected by toxic spikes, but still good regardless. The only thing that can get through this is a roar or whirlwind. Scizor's bullet punch only does about 25% damage and attacks from nonsweepers often have to attack twice to get rid of the sub. Heatran is a big problem for this guy as I can't really do much to it. If it doesn't have leftovers, then I can stall so the hail can kill it, but usually I just roar. This is also a guy I switch in if I find a pokemon like gyarados using DD or cresselia using calm mind to roar them away.
Mamoswine@Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Adamant
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Bite
- Stone Edge
This guy went through the most modification on the team. I used scarf mainly to outrun scarf heatran since none of my other pokemon, except for tentacruel, can take on heatran very well, and tentacruel is often prone to death since rapid spinning stealth rocks is much of the time more important than keeping tentacruel alive. I originally had ice fang instead of ice shard since the choice scarf may make ice shard redundant, but even so, with choic scarf, many pokemon can out run mamoswine after a single speed boost, and as he is my only very poweful physical sweeper, being able to attack first is crucial. Ice shard still is able to OHKO dragons, except for maybe a defensive dragonite. Bite is there mainly for the new oven-shaped rotom and cresselia. The flinch hax is useful and can 2HKO rotom and at least help stop cresselia from using calm mind with the flinch hax.. Stone eduge is good since I often use it when EQ would be super affective, but I expect him to switch to someone with levitate or something.
Froslass@Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
Modest
252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
This is my fast special sweeper. Pretty much nothing can outrun it without speed boosts. Shadow Ball is good against the oven-shaped rotom as he is a threat to my team for being able to use both fire and electrick attacks. Blizzard is very good against Zapdos, as he is one of the biggest threats. Zapdos is usually weakened before it meets froslass as frosslass can't switch in safely to much. So Froslass often ends up killing zapdos. A gyarados with one DD is still slower than this frosslass, so T-bolt takes care of that, but every once in a while I run into a Gyarados with very good Sp. Def, which is a pain. Often times if one of my counters to a threat is dead, I'll have to use destiny bond to save the rest of the team from the threat's wrath.
So froslass is able to attack many of the threats to my team decently. However, Bronzong is a large threat as none of my guys can do very much damage against it if it has levitate. Shadow ball can do about 1/3 damage if it's a physical set, but gyro ball can OHKO froslass, so I only send it in against bronzong to finish it off.
So there are my teams, I've mentioned quite a bit of significant threats, so here they are to sum them up.
Countered with Gliscor with fire fang, tentcruel also does decent damage to it and both of them don't take much damage from scizzor
Tries to counter with Abomasnow with seedbomb on blissey and blizzard on skarmory.
Countered with tentacruel as earth power won't do much damage to it, and mamoswine as it is faster than scarf heatran. Can also stall with walrein and let hail kill it.
Countered with fross lass if some of it's health is already down. Tentacruel can take a t-bolt and attack with blizzard, but can't OHKO it. Ice shard from either abomasnow or mamoswine, or froslass with blizzard can usually then finish it off.
Similar to zapdos, and is countered similarly. Tentacruel can survive a t-bolt. However, can switch in mamoswine to resist the t-bolt and can finish it with stone edge as mamoswine is faster. Froslass can also revenge kill with shadow ball.
Not really a counter for this guy. Just try to pound away at him until his healt is somewhat low. Tentacrel and froslass are the only ones that can do decent damage to this guy. Usually I send tentacruel as gyroball is more common than earthquake on bronzong.
So that was a very long post. Not sure if the list of threats was necessary, but oh well. Do you have any suggestions for this team?
