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Haily Triclefta
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I use the same team, but it has had more testing and practice.
The ghost thing will get you a LOT, so I use a CB Scizor with pursuit to help handle it. U-Turn is also a plus for getting out a clef and such. Next, it is a very effective T-Tar counter with BP (if they don't have Babri) and Superpower so you can take out the single biggest nemesis to your team more often than not. Scizor also brings to the plate a very simple and effective Weavile counter through BP, solving the problem the team has right now. Additionally, he performs well vs many hail teams (and SS ones at that) with stab BP, so it helps cover that and gives you at least SOME chance of winning. Finally, the goal is to have a pokemon that will get as many kills singlehandedly as possible because the clefs guarantee one a pop usually, and Scizor is pretty much the best pokemon for that job. Standard CB set on smog works fine.
On the clef's themselves, replace healing wish with Toxic. Toxic does a number of things: First, hits ghosts whom otherwise you cannot touch. The damage will eventually wear them down, and seeing as most teams have no more than one ghost, you will be good to go. Second, it hits ice pokemon for damage after the endeavor, finishing them off. Also, healing wish should see absolutely NO use because any and every turn the clef;s are alive should be spent endeavoring, as they probably haven't understood what's up yet. Take as many free kills as you can, don't waste time elsewhere.
Using Abomasnow as a lead sucks, I know. It seems that subseeding has been fairly successful for me, as you can force a lot of switches to scout out the few counters to the team and generally wear them down, while retaining a moderate amount of bulk. Test out multiple sets, but make sure you can take out most T-Tar sets 1-on-1 whenever possible. (I honestly hadn't thought of a fling set, so maybe that works extremely well. Props to you)
So, assuming you took my advice to put in scizor over either of the 2 current ones (which really really should be done), the last poke differs from team to team and requires a lot of testing depending on how you play it. I initially used Uxie because of the ability to Trickroom, yawn, then U-Turn to a clef for literally at least 2 insta-kills. Also, Uxie is very bulky and can absorb all kinds of switches to.
I've also played using CB Flygon over Uxie, being such a jerk with awesome synergy and U-Turn spamming between Scizor and Flygon. He's also good at taking out 1-2 poke's, doing his job and letting the team fulfill their purposes for the win. Just a replaceable option.
Just mess around with some poke you like for that last slot, you're not bound to one team all the time so you can just save multiple variants.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses (used) this team for a hell of a lot of fun and wins. I haven't been on shoddy since about a month or 2 after HGSS new movesets came out (no time and interest kinda died out), so I dunno what the meta-game looks like now-a-days.
I ran this team under my alt, ThatOneAlt, so maybe you saw me, Idk. Have fun and perfect the team, good luck!!
[BTDoubs, you can't use focus band, as it is considered a hax item on shoddy (unless it changed, which I highly doubt it has). Just FYI]
The ghost thing will get you a LOT, so I use a CB Scizor with pursuit to help handle it. U-Turn is also a plus for getting out a clef and such. Next, it is a very effective T-Tar counter with BP (if they don't have Babri) and Superpower so you can take out the single biggest nemesis to your team more often than not. Scizor also brings to the plate a very simple and effective Weavile counter through BP, solving the problem the team has right now. Additionally, he performs well vs many hail teams (and SS ones at that) with stab BP, so it helps cover that and gives you at least SOME chance of winning. Finally, the goal is to have a pokemon that will get as many kills singlehandedly as possible because the clefs guarantee one a pop usually, and Scizor is pretty much the best pokemon for that job. Standard CB set on smog works fine.
On the clef's themselves, replace healing wish with Toxic. Toxic does a number of things: First, hits ghosts whom otherwise you cannot touch. The damage will eventually wear them down, and seeing as most teams have no more than one ghost, you will be good to go. Second, it hits ice pokemon for damage after the endeavor, finishing them off. Also, healing wish should see absolutely NO use because any and every turn the clef;s are alive should be spent endeavoring, as they probably haven't understood what's up yet. Take as many free kills as you can, don't waste time elsewhere.
Using Abomasnow as a lead sucks, I know. It seems that subseeding has been fairly successful for me, as you can force a lot of switches to scout out the few counters to the team and generally wear them down, while retaining a moderate amount of bulk. Test out multiple sets, but make sure you can take out most T-Tar sets 1-on-1 whenever possible. (I honestly hadn't thought of a fling set, so maybe that works extremely well. Props to you)
So, assuming you took my advice to put in scizor over either of the 2 current ones (which really really should be done), the last poke differs from team to team and requires a lot of testing depending on how you play it. I initially used Uxie because of the ability to Trickroom, yawn, then U-Turn to a clef for literally at least 2 insta-kills. Also, Uxie is very bulky and can absorb all kinds of switches to.
I've also played using CB Flygon over Uxie, being such a jerk with awesome synergy and U-Turn spamming between Scizor and Flygon. He's also good at taking out 1-2 poke's, doing his job and letting the team fulfill their purposes for the win. Just a replaceable option.
Just mess around with some poke you like for that last slot, you're not bound to one team all the time so you can just save multiple variants.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses (used) this team for a hell of a lot of fun and wins. I haven't been on shoddy since about a month or 2 after HGSS new movesets came out (no time and interest kinda died out), so I dunno what the meta-game looks like now-a-days.
I ran this team under my alt, ThatOneAlt, so maybe you saw me, Idk. Have fun and perfect the team, good luck!!
[BTDoubs, you can't use focus band, as it is considered a hax item on shoddy (unless it changed, which I highly doubt it has). Just FYI]
First off, thanks for the advice. I really like hearing about other people that like winning, but still enjoy some fun and innovating team design. And if you (or anyone else) have any other cool ideas to design a team around, I'm all ears. I messed around with an Assist/Roar team a while back with a field hazard lead, then Weavile with assist and a team full of pokes with only roar and other unassistable moves. It was fun, but unsuccessful.
I understand why you want me to go with Scizor, but I just just can't give up Trick Room support. This is essentially a Hail Trick Room team. Plus I really hate that dude.
I did take your advice with the clefs moveset and I agree toxic is a good idea. But Healing wish has saved me a few times before. I had porygon and 1 clef left against a single rest-talk dusknoir and I switched in the clef when he rested and healed porygon to secure the win. Granted that was the only time I've used the move, but I still feel more comfortable one of them with it (the one I'll plan to keep until late game).
I switched in Gallade for Jirachi. Permanently. Jirachi isn't suited for this team. It's just a good poke in general which is why is sort of worked, but I definitely needed something different. I made a variant with Uxie and I sort of like it. I don't like the weakness to ghost types, but I've found that I can deal with it between Gallade's Psycho Cut and Abomasnow's Fling.
So updated team:
Abomasnow@Iron Ball 136 HP / 136 Def / 136 SpD
Ice Shard / Fling / Wood Hammer / Earthquake
Clefable @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Toxic / Protect / Seismic Toss
Clefairy @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Toxic / Protect / Seismic Toss
Cleffa @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Healing Wish / Protect / Seismic Toss
Gallade @ Life Orb 252 Atk / 252 spe / 4 HP
Psycho Cut / Shadow Sneak / Close Combat / Trick Room
Porygon-Z @ Life Orb 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Tri-Attack / Dark Pulse / Blizzard / Trick Room
OR sometimes instead of Porygon
Uxie @ Kasib Berry 252 Spe / 252 SpD / 4 HP
Trick Room / Yawn / U-Turn / Psychic
I understand why you want me to go with Scizor, but I just just can't give up Trick Room support. This is essentially a Hail Trick Room team. Plus I really hate that dude.
I did take your advice with the clefs moveset and I agree toxic is a good idea. But Healing wish has saved me a few times before. I had porygon and 1 clef left against a single rest-talk dusknoir and I switched in the clef when he rested and healed porygon to secure the win. Granted that was the only time I've used the move, but I still feel more comfortable one of them with it (the one I'll plan to keep until late game).
I switched in Gallade for Jirachi. Permanently. Jirachi isn't suited for this team. It's just a good poke in general which is why is sort of worked, but I definitely needed something different. I made a variant with Uxie and I sort of like it. I don't like the weakness to ghost types, but I've found that I can deal with it between Gallade's Psycho Cut and Abomasnow's Fling.
So updated team:
Abomasnow@Iron Ball 136 HP / 136 Def / 136 SpD
Ice Shard / Fling / Wood Hammer / Earthquake
Clefable @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Toxic / Protect / Seismic Toss
Clefairy @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Toxic / Protect / Seismic Toss
Cleffa @ Focus Sash
Endeavor / Healing Wish / Protect / Seismic Toss
Gallade @ Life Orb 252 Atk / 252 spe / 4 HP
Psycho Cut / Shadow Sneak / Close Combat / Trick Room
Porygon-Z @ Life Orb 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Tri-Attack / Dark Pulse / Blizzard / Trick Room
OR sometimes instead of Porygon
Uxie @ Kasib Berry 252 Spe / 252 SpD / 4 HP
Trick Room / Yawn / U-Turn / Psychic
Just a reminder that this is a gimmick team and those are usually frowned upon in the Smogon community because we are more about Competitive battling.
On first glance, a team that relies on a normal move has trouble with Ghosts. I recommend using a CB Weavile with Pursuit.
Leading with Abomasnow is not as effective. I recommend replacing one of your Trick-Room users with Abomasnow and leading with a Swinub instead. What happens is Swinub uses Endeavor only whatever Pokemon leads. Then switch to Abomasnow and the Hail will kill it at the end of the turn.
Your biggest problem is actually Bronzong with Leftovers or anything with Leftovers actually.
Most of the time these teams get 5 kills and then all get swept by one Pokemon and the end score is 0-1. Well that's just my experience.
On first glance, a team that relies on a normal move has trouble with Ghosts. I recommend using a CB Weavile with Pursuit.
Leading with Abomasnow is not as effective. I recommend replacing one of your Trick-Room users with Abomasnow and leading with a Swinub instead. What happens is Swinub uses Endeavor only whatever Pokemon leads. Then switch to Abomasnow and the Hail will kill it at the end of the turn.
Your biggest problem is actually Bronzong with Leftovers or anything with Leftovers actually.
Most of the time these teams get 5 kills and then all get swept by one Pokemon and the end score is 0-1. Well that's just my experience.
Awesomely cool team! I really love gimmick teams and this one seems pretty interesting. Your editted team seems pretty solid to me except I don't think porygonz is a very good option as a special sweeper. Despite its sky high SpA, there are others that are way more efficient at sweeping and it seems to me that sweeper slot on your team is what will really seal the win at the end so you really need something strong and surefire.