Help with Gravity team.

[Roxachronic]

Meowstic (M) @ Mental Herb/Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Impish Nature
- Gravity
- Thunder Wave/Reflect
- Fake Out
- Quick Guard/Light Screen

I chose Meowstic over Sableye because even if he is not fake out proof he can help with speed control with Thunder Wave and negates priority with Quick Guard, sometimes i don't fake out in the 1st turn, but it helps me when I change Meowstic and bring it back, still Sableye can do damage with Foul Play and has moves like Quash and Feint, I sometimes run Light Screen and Reflect when opening with Raikou, it does better against Trick Room users so usually the screens are better.

Shaymin-Sky @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Seed Flare
- Air Slash
- Substitute
- Protect

Shaymin-Sky fits perfectly with the team, abusing Seed Flare without worrying to miss, and with Air Slash can flinch spam with Lando, Raikou or Jirachi, Substitute is chosen over Earth Power because Lando-T already manages all the Steel types(Raikou manages Bisharp) and it prevents common priority attacks to kill Shaymin, also with Substitute and Protect it lets me stall Trick Room much better.

Raikou @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Zap Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Snarl
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Raikou is the reason to build this team, and at first I couldn't find an useful set to run, but AV has been proven to be very useful, since thanks to Reflect and 2 Intimidate partners I can sponge a lot of hits, it is great for baiting out Landos and Garchomps, Rash is needed for Zap Cannon and Aura sphere, the first one blends perfectly with Gravity and is good against Rain teams(except for Swampert) and is the most spammable move in general, Aura Sphere is important for Bisharp and helps me beat Tyranitar or Mamoswine with Reflect up, Snarl cripples Special attackers, w/ Light Screen you can laugh even at Choice Specs Sylveon and HP Ice is great for killing a lot of common switch ins to Raikou (Garchomp, Lando-T in particular.)

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
- Knock Off

Lando abuses Gravity with EQ and lets it kill Rotom-W who may try to switch also Talonflame, Aerodactyl,Zapdos,etc, Rock Slide blends great if Raikou is in since it perfoms a paraflinch combo with Zap Cannon(good against bulky things like Cresselia), U-Turn lets me act as a pivot, and Knock Off lets me screw a lot of pokes(again Cresselia), Intimidate also helps a lot of the team since Jirachi and Raikou both are more specially defensive, and lets Shaymin-Sky get a Substite much more easily.

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
Gentle Nature
- Follow Me
- Icy Wind
- Iron Head
- Protect

Jirachi is godlike, seriously, with 3 pokemon weak to 4x Ice you can bait Ice Beams and Ice Shards and thanks to Intimidate, Screens and natural bulk of Jirachi they do poor damage, Icy Wind helps with speed control, Iron Head works great with Raikou,Lando and shaymin if need ti flinch something to death and with his own Icy Wind, Follow me is basically for when people see Lando, Shaymin or Mence, they go for Ice Shard/Ice Beam and with this they are save.

Salamence @ Salamencite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Fire Blast
- Return
- Dragon Dance
- Protect

Salamence the Mega of the team, and it works great with Jirachi, With Follow Me Support he can get 1 or 2 Dragon dances under his belt and procceed to sweep, Return does massive damage and Fire Blast is especifically for steel types that may try to wall it, Jirachi as a partner has the ability to flicn to dead rock types that may try to wall this, protect lets Jirachi get an Icy Wind for speed control and punish double targeting, has great synergy with Lando-T since he is immune to EQ when Gravity is gone, I sually try to not use it unless Jirachi is in the field so he can set up effectively.



I think even if the Ice weakness seems huge Jirachi and Raikou let me control it.

I reached 45~ ladder rank but I still have problems against water teams, trick room is more manageable because of screens and Snarl+Intimidate forces a couple of changes.

Also abusing EQ without Gravity can be done since Shaymin-Sky and Salamence are immune to it.

I find myself not able to substitute any pokemon, so a different point of view would be great for me :)

Hope someone can help me :D

 

[Stratos]

The simple problem with your team is that you're running two pokemon with gravity despite the fact that you have three ground immunities and only one Pokemon that even gets any benefit from gravity.... (Mence really doesn't need to run Dragon coverage because Flying hits the same things but better). give up on trying to use a gravity team, possibly drop meowstic (or just change Gravity for Swagger or Charm), put Knock Off on Landorus-T, put Aqua Tail or Roost on Salamence, give Shaymin Life Orb, and you should see improvements. You look pretty bisharp weak so you might want to consider putting Earth Power on Shaymin to make it harder for Bisharp to come in and/or change out meowstic for a bisharp check

edit: actually you look steel weak in general, since lando is your only answer to any of them. Maybe you'll want to try Fire Blast on Salamence with a mixed DD set, or maybe you'll need to drop Meowstic for a better Steel check.

In the future, this belongs in the RMT section, not here. I'll move it once you add more description to some of your Pokemon (RMT requires three lines of description per mon or the thread is locked).

 

[Roxachronic]

The simple problem with your team is that you're running two pokemon with gravity despite the fact that you have three ground immunities and only one Pokemon that even gets any benefit from gravity.... (Mence really doesn't need to run Dragon coverage because Flying hits the same things but better). give up on trying to use a gravity team, possibly drop meowstic (or just change Gravity for Swagger or Charm), put Knock Off on Landorus-T, put Aqua Tail or Roost on Salamence, give Shaymin Life Orb, and you should see improvements. You look pretty bisharp weak so you might want to consider putting Earth Power on Shaymin to make it harder for Bisharp to come in and/or change out meowstic for a bisharp check

edit: actually you look steel weak in general, since lando is your only answer to any of them. Maybe you'll want to try Fire Blast on Salamence with a mixed DD set, or maybe you'll need to drop Meowstic for a better Steel check.

In the future, this belongs in the RMT section, not here. I'll move it once you add more description to some of your Pokemon (RMT requires three lines of description per mon or the thread is locked).

Well obviously there are better strategies, but I like using Gravity, I just want to make the best Gravity possible team even if it is obviously not as strong as TR or other forms of speed control, that said I changed Knock Off for Lando and Fire Blast for Salamence, it really helped me against some steel types, but with Gravity you can 2OHKO Kingra or Ludicolo in Rain with Raikou since it paralyzes, and outright OHKOes Politoed, also the surprise factor tends to works agains teams that use cores like Garchomp+Talonflame since they kill their own teammates or try to predict a change on Lando and die by EQ.

Also Gravity helps the team, but it is not dependant of it(Zap Cannon is the only move that really needs it, but Raikou can act as a scpecial attacker cripple when it is not on.)

The reason of using Substitue and no Earth Power is that Lando- Kills all the troublesomethings that Shaymin-Sky cannot, Raikou kills Bisharp(the purpose of Aura Sphere), and I find me more times needing to block an Ice Shard or Brave Birds so I can attack, Jirachi helps greatly with these but since Salamence needs Follow me more for setting up DD I try to not use it unless necessary.

Thanks for the help tough :)

 

[BlueLobster]

Why you are running a Gravity team without Blizzard I don't know. Blizzard is extremely powerful + hits both opponents, and gravity goes well due to bad accuracy. I would use a Water type for this, due to Hydro Pump being great in gravity as well. As you have Follow me, I wouls suggest this:

Kingdra @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
252 S.Atk, tailor Speed + HP to suit your needs.
Modest nature Swift Swim
Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Protect/HP Grass, Rain Dance

I'm not sure who I'd replace, probably Shaymin-S.