Hoenn Memories(XY Ubers)

hidood5th

hidood5th

So I wanted to create an Ubers team that revolves around the best pokemon Gen 3 had to offer, so I've developed a team with movesets designed to take on any situation(Besides baton pass, screw that.)
I've done really good with it so far, so i just wanted to see what others thought. Some are just basic sets, but 1 or 2 i've crafted myself.

Deoxys-A: Invader ZING
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Nature: Hasty Item: Life Orb
252 Atk, 4 SpA, 252 Spe
Psycho Boost
ExtremeSpeed
Knock Off
Meteor Mash

So apparently it had M-Mash from an event and no one decided it was useful. Well, now with the advent of Xerneas, Arceus-Fairy, and all other sorts of fairy-types, it may have some use. Everything else is usual, ESpeed for quick revenge kills, Knock off to punish those trying to set up as well as Psychics and Ghosts in general, and Psycho Boost to blast through non-Steel physical walls and Fighting types. I've kept Deoxys-A as fast as possible while making sure its still as powerful. I'm generally using it to take out weakened attackers and in some cases, shred through ones that require Deoxys-A's level of power.

Groudon: Gojira
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Nature: Adamant Item: Assault Vest
252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SpD
Earthquake
Fire Punch
Iron Head
Stone Edge

Groudon has the firepower AND physical bulk of a full-blown tank, so why not let it tank special attacks as well? With AV, Groudon's Special Defence even surpasses its normal defence, even if just by a slight bit, allowing it to tank attacks it would normally be unable to. Heck, if it safely switches in, it can tank a full health Modest Water Spout and deal over half of Kyogre's health with EQ, then tank another low-health Water Spout to get the 2HKO. AV Groudon's bulk is so good, it tanks a Post-Geomancy Moonblast straight from Xerneas, then deal half of Xerneas' health in damage with Iron Head. There is nothing better than being able to full on tank powerful attacks from either side and having just whats needed to fully kill, or just weaken enough to be killed by Deoxys-A. EQ works as main STAB, Fire Punch to, what else, punch through Ice types and living barbed wire. Iron head gets just a bit more damage on Fairies than STAB EQ, and it makes killing them afterwards that much easier. Stone Edge goes perfect with EQ, and kills flaming birds with ease. I've kept Groudon for mid-game to take out or weaken set-up sweepers, and every time its proven that the AV given to it can make or break games.

Kyogre: A Sperm Whale
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Nature: Modest Item: Lum Berry
252 HP, 252 SpA, 4 SpD
Water Spout
Thunder
Calm Mind
Rest

The classic KyoCalm set returns, and its still as good as it was 3 gens ago. Kyogre's bulk and literally Uber-powerful STAB in Water Spout makes it a constant threat, and combined with Groudon, it allows me to manipulate the weather constantly to my advantage. Thunder has always gone well with Kyogre thanks to Drizzle, and can do massive damage to Yveltal, Lugia, and other varietys of birds. But of course, its CM that makes the set. A large variety of Uber pokemon attack Specially, so increasing Kyogre's already great Special bulk can make it a huge threat. And to increase its already good bulk, LumRest can bring it back to full hp to continue the sweep with a full power Water Spout. Kyogre is mainly for sweeping slow, powerful threats that hopefully can't do too much damage to Kyogre.

Rayquaza: F*ckstick the Magic Dragon
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Nature: Adamant Item: Focus Sash
252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Dragon Dance
ExtremeSpeed
V-Create
Dragon Claw

This looks like your average DDQuaza set, until you see the Focus Sash. While it makes Rayquaza's power not as impressive compared to if it had Life Orb, but it has its uses, especially with Ray. Focus Sash lets it set up on weakened threats that can still hit it hard so that they're lured in, then after a DD it can ensure a revenge kill with ESpeed and start a sweep. V-create hits much harder than a STAB Dragon Claw, but is only for hitting Fairies and Steels, but sometimes if the power is required. Dragon Claw still acts as the main STAB, as Outrage's lock-in can be devastating considering Xerneas' nature of being decently common, and can still kill Dragons relaibly. Rayquaza can switch in on an enemies Weather Trio member and mess up the weather or the sweep at hand, or can utilize its threatening nature to force a switch and get a free DD, and thanks to its Focus Sash, it can still reliably get a kill after tanking a hit with ESpeed.

Latios: Boeing 909
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Nature: Timid Item: Life Orb
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Defog
Draco Meteor
Psyshock
Ice Beam

My team absolutely hates E-Hazards, so i needed Latios to acts as a reliable Defoger. Thankfully, its high speed and Special attack makes it a great Defoger as well as Special Sweeper. Draco Meteor can get nice revenge kills on many varieties of dragons as well as still do massive damage to most pokemon. Psyshock isn't as powerful as Psychic but its ability to hit through more Specially-Bulky enemies can make all the difference, especially because Calm Mind is more common than Bulk Up. Ice Beam hits Groudon and Yveltal more reliably, even though Latios is sadly OHKO'd by Sucker Punch. Latios is necessary Late-game to get rid of E-Hazards and to sweep weakened stragglers.

Aggron: The Iron Curtain
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Nature: Careful Item: Aggronite
252 HP, 252 SpD, 4 Atk
Iron Head
Thunder Wave
Stealth Rock
Rest

MegAggron is one of the bulkiest walls in the game, so balancing its bulk out with SpD investment can let it easily start early game and set up rocks. And if it's afraid of a Taunt or M-Coat user, Iron Head can provide reliable damage, and while Heavy Slam seems nice, most Uber pokemon are too heavy to make it viable. Iron Head even does more damage to Xerneas than H-Slam, plus Paraflinch game can be hilarious.
Stealth Rock makes Aggron an extremely good lead, and Rest can make it so it can soak up status late game and it bulk can let it survive to wake up and keep its annoyance game going. Sadly, many pokemon it would like to paralyze are immune like Groudon, Zekrom, and Landorus. Thankfully, my other members can take care of these pokemon very easily.


So thats my team, please leave your replies below and hopefully i can improve my team if i can!
 
This team doesn't have quite a lot of synergy and double psychic and dragon doesn't do you favors with darkrai/yveltal and xerneas running everywhere. I also don't really understand the groudon+kyogre combo bit they are pretty solid individually. MMewtwo Y with Ice Beam and Psystrike can put serious hurt on this team as well as the aforementioned mons. Agrron is what I really like though because it can outright wall and annoy Deo-A also has no solid counter but scarfceus can probably outsoeed and ko with Espeed of his own. Scarf zekrom can also post a threat. But really, your team's items are kinda awesome. Overall I think this a pretty nice team, I guess. But that's just my opinion.
 
Not just that tho aggron is freaking awful, krom is the least of his worries and items are bad.

As for the team, Xern, kyogre, ekiller, ho-oh, etc. all 6-0, lati is bad, aggron is bad, av is bad on groudon and overall there is a lack of synergy
 
hidood5th said:
Knock off to punish those trying to set up
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Please show me a replay where someone thinks its a good idea to set up on deoxys-attack

haxiom said:
lati is bad, aggron is bad, av is bad on groudon and overall there is a lack of synergy
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It's important to note that this is a gen 3 gimmick team, attempting to be as competitive as it can, not being an actual competitive team

Awesomeceus said:
Agrron is what I really like though because it can outright wall and annoy Deo-A also has no solid counter but scarfceus can probably outsoeed and ko with Espeed of his own.
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-deo-a that doesnt have a fighting move
-mega aggron having no counter
-scarfceus probably outspeeding (i assume aggron?) with extremespeed

So. Done.
 
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ApplepieFTW said:
Tagging LustrousPalkia

Also with the way you did the nature/item thingy, you are calling the items themselves adamant and careful "Careful Item". Also this team is werid, it lacks synergy and loses to everything. Fixing this would require a new team.
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Just weird spacing i did. Sorry bout that. Also, i managed to get from around 1200 to about 1400 in ubers with this team. Lets actually take a list on what counters people listed.
Xerneas: Yea, i could see this guy being a threat. If i didn't have a MegAggron. Constantly i see people leading with Xerneas, and since i usually lead with a tanky Steel-type with max special defence investment, I can usually threaten Xerneas right off the bat. I can either paralyze to make its Speed-buff moot, Set up rocks just cuz, or deal a good amount of damage with Iron Head right off the bat.
Kyogre: Also would be possible maybe, But thats where Ray and Groudon come in. I have a huge variety of ways to punish Kyogre when i get a free switch, Such as negating Rain with Rayquaza and 2HKO with Dragon claw. Or using groudon to actually make Water attacks weaker and earthquake to deal about 2/3s or 3/4s of its health with EQuake.
Ho-Oh: This is why i gave Groudon Stone Edge. Its an easy OHKO on an easy switch-in. And plus Kyogre can still threaten.
Extremekiller: With E-killers i know their strats like the back of my hand. SDance on a pokemon who can't 2HKO, recover after hit until at reliable health, Start the sweep with ESpeed and use Shadow claw on ghosts. Groudon tanks a +2 Espeed if it gets a free switch and does a nice amount of damage with EQuake, allowing Ray to revenge kill with V-Create or predict a swords dance and set up a DDance. Did i also mention i have MegAggron? Because it can still tank ESpeeds like nothing else. And then paralyze the guy and procede to have fun with Paraflinches.

Yes i like making Just-for-fun teams, but that doesn't mean i can design them to take on most, if not any opponent.
 
hidood5th said:
Xerneas: Yea, i could see this guy being a threat. If i didn't have a MegAggron. Constantly i see people leading with Xerneas, and since i usually lead with a tanky Steel-type with max special defence investment, I can usually threaten Xerneas right off the bat. I can either paralyze to make its Speed-buff moot, Set up rocks just cuz, or deal a good amount of damage with Iron Head right off the bat.
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Sooo you are banking your entire anti-xern strat off of a leading GeoXern which is probably one of the worst things to lead like ever?

Kyogre: Also would be possible maybe, But thats where Ray and Groudon come in. I have a huge variety of ways to punish Kyogre when i get a free switch, Such as negating Rain with Rayquaza and 2HKO with Dragon claw. Or using groudon to actually make Water attacks weaker and earthquake to deal about 2/3s or 3/4s of its health with EQuake.
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Yes. I'm sure Kyogre gives you a ton of free switches.

Ho-Oh: This is why i gave Groudon Stone Edge. Its an easy OHKO on an easy switch-in. And plus Kyogre can still threaten.
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1. Why would it switch in on Groudon?
2. Kyogre gets 2HKO'd

Extremekiller: With E-killers i know their strats like the back of my hand. SDance on a pokemon who can't 2HKO, recover after hit until at reliable health, Start the sweep with ESpeed and use Shadow claw on ghosts. Groudon tanks a +2 Espeed if it gets a free switch and does a nice amount of damage with EQuake, allowing Ray to revenge kill with V-Create or predict a swords dance and set up a DDance. Did i also mention i have MegAggron? Because it can still tank ESpeeds like nothing else. And then paralyze the guy and procede to have fun with Paraflinches.
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Yes. You def know their strats since recover Ekiller is SO common. Yes Groudon tanks, but how does Ray revenge it it gets destroyed by Espeed and Aggron doesn't do anything back. Plus, Ekiller will run Earthquake/Fire move to destroy you and you can't do anything back.

And also, those weren't the only threats. I was just listing off the first few. You get 6-0ed by like everything.
 
Wait for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire and throw a mega stone on one of the three weather-trio legendaries you have in here. Then maybe this team could be worth the time you put into it and you could possibly win some matches. My word of advice: Don't play Pokémon anymore :)
 
Okay, I'm not RMT staff nor do I play Ubers, but can we not be shitheads to someone who actually needs help? If you think someone's team is garbage just ignore it and move on, or if you think you're knowledgeable enough to help offer to explain it to them through PM or on Showdown.

It's not hard. Seriously.
 
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-134634523
Here. Let me show you an example of what my team can do.
In this battle you can see alot of the capabilities of each member: MegAggron being able to wall Physical AND Special Attackers, Groudon tanking like a champ and dealing good damage back, Deoxys getting those great revenge kills(Even though i sadly didn't get to show off Meteor Mash), and especially Latios working as a good cleaner(Even though I couldnt understand why someone wouldn't build their Scarfed Zekrom without Jolly). I honestly don't know how Rayquaza didn't get the full kill on Xerneas, must have been close-but-no-cigar there. And notice the rank i have in Showdown. I have been using mostly this team for the past 2-3 weeks, and being able to stay around the 1200-1300 and sometimes 1400 ranks means that not only can this team be used effectively, Its built really well for the varieties of pokemon common and even uncommon in Ubers.
 
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hidood5th said:
And notice the rank i have in Showdown. I have been using mostly this team for the past 2-3 weeks, and being able to stay around the 1200-1300 and sometimes 1400 ranks means that not only can this team be used effectively, Its built really well for the varieties of pokemon common and even uncommon in Ubers.
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nice

Okay actually though, optimization wise you should run Low Kick > Meteor Mash on Deo-A to hit Aggron most steel types that are not demolished by Psycho Boost. Also run max SAtk because Psycho Boost is your primary attack. AV Groudon is not really that good and contrary to what you said you are 2HKO'd by Kyogre regardless. If you are bent on offensive, then you can run like an EP or RP set, but standard Support Groudon is probably the best since it lets you somewhat check Ekiller and other physical attackers. Lum CM Kyogre is not really that effective. I would run SDef on this team because it helps you beat Xerneas and at least not completely lose to Kyogre. Ray should run Jolly on the DD set with the 4HP EVs moved elsewhere. It should also run LO as the item and Outrage > Dragon Claw. Latios should be dropped (I mean, you should drop the team but meh). Aggron as well. At least the first four are viable in Ubers (though not necessarily the way you set them up or the fact that they are all on the same team.
 
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