How important are IVs toward the big picture?

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Well I wanted to create a semi-competitive team, but I don't think I can go through the trouble of aiming for good IVs.

So once competition gets tough, will IVs really screw me over that much?
 
Yes. If you want to be competetive, make sure you have 31 IV's in the two most important stats. The other stats should be 27+. All irrelevant stats don't matter. (ie sp attack on a weavile) In order to play competetively, you have to breed for IV's.
 
IV's are more important in the long run, as IV's total up to 186 boost, 31 in each stat, as EV's only go to 123 stat increases, 61 in each. So.. what Seph said.
 
SePh258 said:
Yes. If you want to be competetive, make sure you have 31 IV's in the two most important stats. The other stats should be 27+.
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Nonsense.

If a pokemon is supposed to reach a certain speed, you should definitely aim for a 31 speed IV. Similarly, if a leftovers threshold can only be reached with a high IV, aim for that. Everything else is fine if they are in the highest quartile (24+).
 
How are you supposed to get good IVs + Nature on legendaries? Spend days restarting in front of it?
 
31 potential points sounds like a lot, if you talking about a high stat not named Speed, the difference between 0 IVs and 31 IVs is probably ~10% difference. Significant yes, but the randomness in the damage formula is greater and the 31 point difference is a worse case scenario - you'll usually use IVs > 20 or ideally IVs > 25 on competitive Pokemon anyway.
 
I was battling some kid from SPP and we were both down to one pokemon(he was using 6 ubers vs. my 0 ubers) and it was my Yanmega and his Mewtwo. I ohko'ed the Mewtwo(non CH) with Bug Buzz. My Yanmega has a 31 Special Attack IV, and I may not have been able to do that with anything less. So yeah, I think its important.
 
kind of going off of this, is there any way to determine IVs after you have already raised a Pokemon?
 
mHMM said:
kind of going off of this, is there any way to determine IVs after you have already raised a Pokemon?
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You could use the EV-reducing berries (no. 21-25), lower them all down to zero, and then run those numbers through an IV calculator.
 
Max IVs are highly overrated. The way I see it, given the logistics of breeding, two 31s with 20+s in the important stats (18-19 is acceptable if everything else is really good) and a good nature is a perfectly fine Pokemon. There's also some leeway with "important stats" - I have a Weavile with Jolly, max attack, max speed, and single-digit defense, but the way I see it, Weavile can't take physical hits for shit anyway, so I'm not going to worry about it.

As an aside, legendaries are a bit different. Depending on your patience, I'd say 20+ in all relevant stats, with 22+ in certain Pokemon's speed categories (Palkia, for instance, wants 22+ to beat Rayquaza; or Azelf with 22+ to beat Gengar or Tauros), is good.
 
McGraw said:
Nonsense.

If a pokemon is supposed to reach a certain speed, you should definitely aim for a 31 speed IV. Similarly, if a leftovers threshold can only be reached with a high IV, aim for that. Everything else is fine if they are in the highest quartile (24+).
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Err, only if you want to max that speed, right? Like, 299 for base 100s, most definitely. But if you're only going to go for 200 speed on a DDer, it's not necesarry.

And leftovers treshold? I think I'll have to dig the forums for that... Forgot how it goes.
 
Breeding for IVs isn't that tedious tbh.

Legendaries take a bit more work... Took me about 50 tries to SR for a Modest 30/20/22/29/29/24 Dialga (Speed Last) with my Synchronizer.
 
A guide about breeding for IVs and traits (and breeding in general) should be released soon. Me and Peterko are working on it.

I'd like to point out that IV and trait breeding isn't very difficult. You need to average 100 eggs to get a Jolly Gible with 31 IV in Attack AND Speed. I don't know if you find 100 eggs tedious, but rest assured that 100 eggs isn't too much.

Of course, in the case of legendaries, where you can't breed them, it's much more tedious... you simply just need to soft-reset continuously until you get a legend with decent IVs. And it would be just that... decent, but nothing special, unless you're lucky.
 
Really, I'd say for pokes with max speed then 31 Speed is a necessity. But other than that, there's no threshold you must reach to be competitive.

Out of the other stats, nothing is really that important in general. I'd say they go from most important to least important: HP, defences, attacks.

After all, on an Adamant Metagross, the Attack IV only makes roughly an 8% difference, whilst random damage makes up to a 15% difference.

The only things to bear in mind are - if you need a certain IV to reach a certain number (e.g. to guarantee a 2HKO on something), and that when given a free choice, taking the higher IV in the lower stat is better as it makes a larger % difference.
 
X-Act said:
I'd like to point out that IV and trait breeding isn't very difficult. You need to average 100 eggs to get a Jolly Gible with 31 IV in Attack AND Speed. I don't know if you find 100 eggs tedious, but rest assured that 100 eggs isn't too much.
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Have you ever bred Gible? It takes an eternity (10,240 steps without Magma Armor, 5,120 with)... even with a Slugma, add on the part that L1 eggs require you to level up most of your newbies to really check their IVs... you can either save->use Rare Candies->reset or use Victory Road, but either way it's pretty annoying. With something like Magikarp, sure, 100 eggs takes a day, but with Gible (or Larvitar or Dratini or Bagon), it takes probably a couple days...
 
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Good IVs aren't that important in anything unless you need to reach a certain speed. ~20 IV in an important stat will still do fine, or even ~15. Just don't get something ridicilously low like 0 IV.
 
in my experience, the only IV you *need* to be 31 is Speed (if a pokemon even needs it, some like vaporeon you want a low speed / doesn't matter). after that, if a pokemon needs to reach a certain number (leftovers, sub, salamence killing w/ ice beam) then that's important next. after that even if your IVs are like 15 or so you're fine. if a stat doesn't matter (defence on weavile) then don't even bother.

(i don't play netbattle... i just battle on game carts... )
 
Of course, you could just mooch good pokemons from other people via Wi-Fi. >_> Lots of leftover rejects from breeding, etc. Shouldn't be too hard to find a pokemon with maxed in two IVs which no one wants because he's got better.
 
For offensive Pokemon I like at least 20 IV for both defenses, and 31 on speed always.
20 isn't hard to obtain, and can save you against an OHKO.

It's nice having almost perfect IVs for Battle Tower, where the raw power counts more than strategy.
 
Misty said:
Have you ever bred Gible? It takes an eternity (10,240 steps without Magma Armor, 5,120 with)... even with a Slugma, add on the part that L1 eggs require you to level up most of your newbies to really check their IVs... you can either save->use Rare Candies->reset or use Victory Road, but either way it's pretty annoying. With something like Magikarp, sure, 100 eggs takes a day, but with Gible (or Larvitar or Dratini or Bagon), it takes probably a couple days...
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Well, if that's tedious, or even annoying, for you, then fine, as I said in the post. But it's not very difficult to do, and that was my point.

At least, after a couple days, you get your Gible. Your Azelf, however, would require more than a couple of days for sure. First you have to catch it (which is difficult in itself), and then get one with decent IVs and nature.
 
For Azelf I just used my Master Ball with Synchronise Abra, which cut down the pain a lot. I can get plenty more Master Balls from Emerald, after all..
 
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