I actually have an archer fish, and they're pretty cool.

Engineer

If your interested in archer fish, here's a youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhBZ40jIo4Q

This team utilizes the two most overused defensive pokemon in the game, plus their counters, and two pokes that I like and bring something to the team.

Now please rate this team. I will put it into commission if it gets approval.

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Toxicroak @ lum berry
Jolly
Dry Skin
Ev: 252spd, 252att, 4hp
-fake out
-sucker punch
-stone edge
-cross chop

It laughs to itself when pokes try to put it to sleep. Plus, personally, I think all teams should have at least one UU poke.

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Blissey @ leftovers
Modest
Natural Cure
Ev:252 def, 252spatt, 4
-therapy
-softboiled
-fire blast
-ice beam

Do you really think it needs more hp.

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Skarmory @ leftovers
impish
Ev: 252 def, 252hp, 4spdef
-roar
-roost
-spikes
-toxic

Wall

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Dugtrio @ choice band
adamant
arena trap
Ev: 252att, 252 hp, 4spd
-EQ
-areial ace
-stone edge
-night slash

Reason for living is to kill bliss.

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Magnezone @ leftovers
Timid
magnet pull
Ev: 252spd, 252 spatt, 4 hp
-discharge
-magnet rise
-flash cannon
-substitute

Reason for living, beat skarmory, sub for bronzong.

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Arcanine @ life orb
Hasty
Intimidate
Ev:252 att, 252spatt, 4 spd
-Extreme speed
-Iron tail
-Fireblast
-fire spin

Mixed attacker, fire spin to trap the counter, and then counter.
 
SkarmBliss = Go fuck yourself. This team seems pretty average. Ttar and Gyarados do terrible, terrible things to it, especially Gyarados if Skarm does not have Brave Bird > Toxic. Seismic Toss over Fire Blast on Blissey and take some Satk evs and put them in Sdef.
 
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Janenmori said:
SkarmBliss = Go fuck yourself. This team seems pretty average. Ttar and Gyarados do terrible, terrible things to it, especially Gyarados if Skarm does not have Brave Bird > Toxic. Seismic Toss over Fire Blast on Blissey and take some Satk evs and put them in Sdef.
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I'm sorry to disaqree but if you could show me some calcs or something, I don't think gyara or ttar are a problem.

GYARA
-toxicroak- outspeed stonedge, then falls, but weakens it enough.
-skarm- uses toxic and roars it away, or predict waterfall to croak, then fake out + sucker punch
-bliss- switch to skarm
-digtrio- switch to scarm, possibly stonedge depending on situation
-magnezone- switch to skarm, or magnet rise because possibly faster
-arcanine- switches to skarm, or finish off with speed

TTAR
-toxicroak- outspeed cross chop, kills it
-skarm- uses toxic and roars it away
-bliss- switch to skarm
-digtrio- switch to scarm, possibly EQ depending on situation
-magnezone- magnet rise, then flash cannon, or switch
-arcanine- switches to skarm, or finish off with iron tail

as for bliss ev's, yeah ill probably do that
 
Gyarados and T-Tar can cause you big problems. Skarmory isn't a good Gyarados counter, as Taunt really lets Gyarados set up quite a few Dragon Dances, and let it start sweeping. Tyranitar is a big problem too, as nothing can switch into it safely. Toxicroak gets hurt pretty by Stone Edge, Skarmory it 2HKOed by Stone Edge, and I hope I don't have to talk about Blissey. Dugtrio gets hurt by Crunch/Ice Beam/HP Grass pretty badly, and Magnzone can get hit by Earthquake badly. Arcanine can't switch into Earthquake or Stone Edge safely.

What Janenmori is saying is that you have no safe counters to those 2 Pokemon, as you cannont beat them without losing one of yours, screwing you up pretty badly. Nothing on this team can switch into Kingdra safely either, and Infernape hurts this team pretty badly, as you're actually running SkarmBliss. I suggest you looking at Great Sage's team building guide.
 
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ugh, attampt failed. My current team got a better rating than this.

Ok, how about, I replace toxicroak with a ttar counter, then arcanine with a gyara counter, which will likely be the ape counter too.

mabey, starmie, and, rhyperior???
 
Engineer said:
I'm sorry to disaqree but if you could show me some calcs or something, I don't think gyara or ttar are a problem.

GYARA
-toxicroak- outspeed stonedge, then falls, but weakens it enough.
-skarm- uses toxic and roars it away, or predict waterfall to croak, then fake out + sucker punch
-bliss- switch to skarm
-digtrio- switch to scarm, possibly stonedge depending on situation
-magnezone- switch to skarm, or magnet rise because possibly faster
-arcanine- switches to skarm, or finish off with speed

TTAR
-toxicroak- outspeed cross chop, kills it
-skarm- uses toxic and roars it away
-bliss- switch to skarm
-digtrio- switch to scarm, possibly EQ depending on situation
-magnezone- magnet rise, then flash cannon, or switch
-arcanine- switches to skarm, or finish off with iron tail

as for bliss ev's, yeah ill probably do that
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Actually, with BOAH you'd have to sacrifice a poke to break the sub, so that definatly is a weakness. Esp when it comes in on Blissey and you have no choice but to switch (If Dugtrio is gone, you really are finished). Scarf Tar will be a pain aswell. Also Gyarados with Taunt and EQ counters all of the ways you suggested.(I'd usually suggest a pokemon here but I can't think of anything to help :pirate:)

The team is Mixape weak aswell as your Dugtrio WON'T outspeed it and therefore, cannot revenge kill it. Replace the HP Evs with Speed EVs as Dugtrio is too frail to take advantage of them. Also give it Sucker Punch to take down random scarfers.

I don't like Blissey's moveset. I'd prefer this Seismic Toss/ T Wave/ Soft Boiled/ Ice Beam. This way you have another way to deal with Heatran other then sacrificing something and letting Dugtrio come in.

I'd also like HP on RK9 to stop Heatran from walling it.

Hope this helped! :toast:
 
Engineer said:
ugh, attampt failed. My current team got a better rating than this.

Ok, how about, I replace toxicroak with a ttar counter, then arcanine with a gyara counter, which will likely be the ape counter too.

mabey, starmie, and, rhyperior???
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I suppose you could do that. Though if you really want to make a good team around SkarmBliss, you might as well turn the team into a stall team.
 
Um SDLuke anyone? Not only do you nothing that can take a hit from it, your best defense is Toxicroak which can only deal signifigant damage it it has already CC'ed. Not only that but if you use Fake Out on an Inner Focus Lucario you die. Even then it resists Fake Out and 4x resists Sucker Punch.

Since Duggy is Adamant and Blissey lacks Seismic Toss you get 6-0'd by Raikou. That's a BL Pokemon who isn't even considered by most well built teams as a threat. That's to your current team.

Rhyperior could help with the Raikou problem if you make it defensive. Even then a bulky ground that's not weak to EQ is a better TTar counter. Even with the changes SDLuke still rapes you. I suggest Gliscor>Skarm as I find BlissGlis a better defense that SkarmBliss.
 
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