I Got the Wrong Baby Pokemon!

[ghfjdksl]

As the name implies most of my counters are only counters because of either me or my opponent switches pokemon. Its a pretty good team but it seems to be lacking in something... I don't know what it is but thats why i have a rmt here. Please do not just ?/? rank it i would like a few suggestions. Please do not say that i should switch something on my team without explaining why it would be better.

Gligar (M) @ Eviolite​

Trait: Sand Veil​

EVs: 76 Atk / 156 Def / 236 Spd​

Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)​

- Knock Off​

- Roost​

- Earthquake​

- Aerial Ace​

Knock off gligar!!!!!! With low attack!!!!!!! And high defense!!!!!!

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This is the first part of my fly/water/steel core and seemingly my most useless pokemon when using the switch strategy but still very needed for the team. Gligar’s job seems to be a wall and during late game it is, but in the beginning it’s a sweeper who has an amazing advantage over others as its able to take to take out walls with ease due to knock off. Many walls think they can wall gligar and do whatever walls do but they end up losing their eviolite and just… dieing. Using it as a lead is able to pretty much cripple any pokemon on the opponent’s team with its amazing Knock Off move. It has the bulk for it and it has just enough attack to abuse it. Without the eviolite gligar, ferroseed, slowpoke, and other walls/bulky sweepers can’t stand against a spam of eq/aa or are useless against another pokemon that they usually wall. My team may seem to lack a ferroseed counter but gligar can actually lure and destroy it pretty easily. Switch strategy part: After someone switches to a steel type to counter one of mine this switches in and… doesn’t eq, it uses knock off for the impending switch as knock off cripples nearly every pokemon in the game. It also switches in on physical moves that slowpoke cant stand.

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Slowpoke (M) @ Eviolite​

Trait: Regenerator​

EVs: 196 HP / 236 Def / 76 SAtk​

Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)​

- Scald​

- Hidden Power [Flying]​

- Slack Off​

- Toxic​

High hp!!!!! High defense!!!!! Just a bit of SAtk!!!!! HP FLYYYYYYYYY

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Slowpoke is the second part of my Fly/Water/Steel core with great synergy with gligar. NO I WILL NOT SWITCH HP FLY. Slowpoke is an amazing physical wall that can also wall special ice attacks due to its huge hp. It can heal up with regenerator and slack off and kill with scald and HP FLY. Such bulk + toxic allows it to destroy any bulky sweeper or wall that gligar cant beat. Switch strategy: Switches in on many physical attacks forcing a switch and during that turn I toxic OR switch to a pokemon that can kill the counter if I predict it will be a sweeper that toxic will not kill. (hp fly is there because I feel flamethrower makes Ferroseed too easy to kill and slowpoke to op which just takes the fun out of the game)

Snover (M) @ Choice Scarf​

Trait: Snow Warning​

EVs: 8 HP / 180 Atk / 100 SAtk / 196 Spd​

Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)​

- Wood Hammer​

- Giga Drain​

- Blizzard​

- Shadow Ball​

Low atk!!!!! Lower SAtk!!!!! 21 speed!!!!!

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I didn’t know what to put here so I just put snover in. Snover’s role is to take a chinchou hit when im too lazy to try to predict if its ice beam or volt switch. The set may seem weird but it allows me to deal massive damage with wood hammer which hits really hard on pur and other things that try to switch in on a predicted blizzard. Wood hammers recoil is pretty evil but giga drain next time it’s in takes care of that. Blizzard is still there as its very powerful and shadow ball is a filler here. Again no hp fire as gligar takes care of ferroseed. Switch Strategy: switches in on chinchou attacks without much worry. Wood hammers against gligar hoping for a switch to a water type which pretty much always happens. Grass being super effective on ground and water doesn’t leave many walls that can keep from being killed or near killed by snover.

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Gastly(PO) (M) @ Eviolite​

Trait: Levitate​

EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 200 SAtk / 196 Spd​

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)​

- Shadow Ball​

- Psychic​

- Icy Wind​

- Hidden Power [Ground]​

Low bulk!!!!! High SAtk!!!!! Average Speed!!!!!

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I of course use missy on smogon (if it isn’t banned I haven’t checked in a bit) but gastly does the exact same job. Gastly/Missy’s job is to be a deadly special sweeper. The thing is a pure special sweeper so I don’t use sub or will o wisp or anything like that. I use 4 attacks. Shadow ball is the main stab attack. Psychic helps me kill dokkora and other fighting types. Icy wind helps against gligar. Switch Strategy: My Komatana or stunky are in. Pretty obvious to the opponent that gligar walls any attack from them and kills both with ease so yea a gligar switch is good. After gligar is in I switch to gastly who is immune to eq. I then proceed to icy wind which does not ohko and they can deal a lot of damage with aerial ace (the strategy fails if they have night slash). One more hit and I’m dead so ok they are going to attack. What they don’t seem to usually see is that they have less than 30% left and icy wind lowers their speed so I move first and dispose of the pesky flyscorpion pokemon (even if they see what happened less than 30% hp isn’t enough to be a huge threat lategame).

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Stunky (M) @ Eviolite​

Trait: Aftermath​

EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd​

Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)​

- Sucker Punch​

- Pursuit​

- Fire Blast​

- Crunch​

High hp!!!!! High atk!!!!! Some speed!!!!!

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Some may say that stunky can only kill ghosts but it can do much more. After slowpoke switches into a knock off from gligar, stunky comes in and disposes of it. Stunky + Pawniard/slowpoke is able to take out carvanha with its priority. It also works as my only fire type move and it has a strong priority and you can’t try to avoid damage via switching against it as it has pursuit. Switch Strategy: Pursuit stops switches. If something weak to fire tries to switch in on it to setup it gets killed. But the main switch strategy is the disposing of ghosts and the luring of gligar for gastly to come in and kill.

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Pawniard (M) @ Eviolite
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Trait: Inner Focus​

EVs: 76 HP / 236 Atk / 196 Spd​

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)​

- Swords Dance​

- Brick Break​

- Sucker Punch​

- Night Slash
High atk!!!!! Ok Speeed!!!! Lots of resistances!!!!!!

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Pawniard is the final part of my Fly/Water/Steel core. Pawniard is used in the beginning and the end. It lures gligar so I can kill it for lategame where pawniard comes in and sweeps everything in its path. It can boost its attack with swords dance and with one of the most powerful priorities in the game it can sweep anything in its path. Night Slash is part of my awesome counter vs wooper which is get to +6 and spam night slash hoping for a crit and if I get one I have +6 atk vs the rest of the opponent’s team. Inner Focus helps against fake out leads giving me a free +2 so I can get a good amount of sweep in. Switch Strategy: With its amazing resistances it can switch in on a lot of stuff setup and proceed to sweep. Lures gligar for gastly like stunky does. It doesn’t do much else when it comes to switching.

... somethings wrong with the pictures... too lazy to go back and fix it. Please post suggestions.

 

[Al_Alchemist]

Hi there, your team seems to have quite a few problems, especially in the EV department. First, you should change your EVs on Gligar to this:

EVs: 76 Atk / 76 Def / 76 SpD / 236 Spe

To get the best use out of your Eviolite, you should always try to land on even numbers so you get 1 more point than you would with an odd number.

Slowpoke should have these EVs:

EVs: 116 HP / 236 Def / 36 SAtk / 116 SDef

This makes it so you have max defense, but takes off one HP point for 2 separate points in SpA and SpD. Slack Off rounds up when you use it so you won't really be missing that extra HP point. Although you say you would like to keep Hidden Power Flying, it really does nothing for you that Psychic or Flamethrower / Fire Blast wouldn't do better. Scraggy isn't even hurt that much by Hidden Power Flying.

Snover should look like this:

Snover (F) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 184 SAtk / 36 SDef / 200 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Water Pulse / Toxic

Your EV spread was not hitting any of the point benchmarks. An easy way to check for this is to go on PO's Teambuilder and set the Pokemon to level 5, then go add and subtract EVs seeing if they change the stats. Now for the moves, Wood Hammer really doesn't have enough benefits to warrant you going mixed, especially with a Choice Scarf, and Blizzard does more to anything you would hit SE with Shadow Ball. Hidden Power Fire is for Ferroseed and other Snover, along with rounding out the coverage. The last slot is up to you, whether you want to Toxic walls you can't kill or get the jump on Fire-types. Be aware that Water Pulse isn't OHKOing most Fire-types alone, however.

Gastly seems fine EV wise, but consider Sludge Bomb over Psychic, as you can take care of Fighting types with Slowpoke and Psychic doesn't even OHKO most of them. Sludge Bomb, however, still 2HKOs them and provides a stronger STAB attack. Substitute is also a good move, as it will ease prediction and help you win Stunky mind games. Will-o-Wisp is good in the same effect, as well as for punishing Fighting-types, such as Mienfoo.

Stunky should be like this:

Stunky (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Aftermath
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 188 SDef / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit
- Explosion
- Crunch

Again, your EVs were all wrong, you should check them as level 5 before battling. These are more optimal, Fire Blast really wasn't doing you many favors, you can use Gligar and my next suggestion to take care of Ferroseed and other Steels. Explosion should help you a bit with your Scraggy weakness or when you think Stunky has filled its purpose and want to dent something before you faint, more so than Aftermath.

This team has a horrendous DD Scraggy weakness, it can come in on literally everything, DD once tanking any hit, then proceed to sweep your entire team.

In order to slightly remedy this for now, I recommend you use this Mienfoo set over your Pawniard:

Mienfoo (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SDef / 156 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Drain Punch
- Taunt
- U-Turn
- Toxic

This will also help with any Ferroseed and Scraggy problems you may have and has great synergy with Slowpoke, thanks to Regeneration. You can switch into a Scraggy who's using DD and Drain Punch it to death, always beating it and preventing a sweep. Taunt and Toxic help versus stall Pokemon, such as Frillish or Slowpoke, as well as stopping some Pokemon from setting up Hazards or Shell Smashing, like Dwebble or Clamperl. U-Turn gives some nice momentum and eases switching.

Hope this helped.

 

[ghfjdksl]

LOLOLOLOLOL no. my evs were all right and not a single one of them missed an ev benchmark. Mienfoo would be useless on my team as the rest of it does its job easier and better. I believe a 180 power grass attack is worth going mixed but im thinking of taking your advice and not using a mixed... Well im actually thinking of getting rid of snover completely but meh. Even numbers are good for eviolite but 2 is never better than 3. My physical walls are physical walls and i intend for them to take physical hits not special hits. Gastly + Komatana takes care of scraggy pretty well so no problem there. Walls are beaten by the gli+stunky combo and shell smashers are raped by stunky. So as you see Getting rid of stunky is not an option so i will not just kill a ghost and dispose of it. 252 hp gives max hp so yea... I didnt miss an ev there. I Really don't see where im missing evs.... are you sure you didnt make a mistake?

But Thanks. For while i'm taking none of your advice as most of it involves crippling my team by killing off one of my most important pokes midgame and making my physical walls have useless spdef evs even tho a ice beam is still gonna kill gligar and a thunderbolt is still gonna kill slowpoke so its pretty much useless, you have helped me realize that snover isnt really good on my team and i should switch it out. I dont know what to switch it to yet but i'm thinking about scarf cacnea... If you can think of another poke please say so.


EDIT: Oh yea forgot about hp fly. I know hp fly is useless but i still like to have it on slowpoke.

 

[pimpgangster]

Wow you just blew off someone who knows what he is talking about. All the points he made were valid and he was trying to benefit your team in the best way possible and you go and say how he is a noob when obviously he isn't.

now for the rate Scarf Snover is good and you shouldn't really go Cacnea. It's coverage isn't as good and it does nothing to benefit your team. Also how the hell does Gastly and Pawniard beat Scraggy considering mine runs DD/Ice Punch/Drain Punch/Crunch. Any player with a brain can predict what you are going to do and KO both in 3-4 turns. If I bring Scraggy in on Pawniard it's GG. I DD up on the switch to Gligar or Slowpoke and can blow through your team with +1 Ice Punch/Drain Punch/Crunch

Also you should welcome advice with open arms because that is the point of an RMT

 

[Al_Alchemist]

Oh sorry I was doing the EV calcs with HP Fire on Snover, the HP stat was still wrong though, but yeah. Stunky's HP EVs were fine too, sorry about that, but I meant that the EVs would be more better suited in Special Defense to more easily counter Misdreavus. The 76 SpA on Slowpoke was still wrong, however, 36 SpA is the correct number as the 40 extra EVs don't add anything to the stat points. Anyway, I still stand by my EVs, as they prove to take damage better overall, more so than your previous spreads, but that choice is entirely up to you. I can show you some damage calcs if you would like.

I wouldn't replace Snover with Cacnea, as pimp said, it wouldn't really benefit your team well. If you're looking for a replacement, perhaps a Scarf Chinchou could fit the bill, which could help even more in countering or checking threats, such as Staryu and mixed Carvanha. Here's the set:

Chinchou (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 52 Def / 232 SAtk / 224 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Also, like pimp said, Scraggy is definitely not going to be taken on by Gastly or Pawniard, as it will be able to take an Icy Wind and KO it back with Crunch on Gastly, while it can set up and sweep on literally everything else on your team. To show you what I'm talking about here are some calcs:

Pawniard Brick Break vs Scraggy -> 19 Atk vs 21 Def & 22 HP (75 Base Power): 10 - 14 (45.45% - 63.64%)

Gligar Aerial Ace vs Scraggy -> 15 Atk vs 21 Def & 22 HP (60 Base Power): 12 - 14 (54.55% - 63.64%)

Slowpoke HP Flying -> 11 Atk vs 21 Def & 22 HP (70 Base Power): 6 - 8 (27.27% - 36.36%)

The above posted Snover Blizzard vs Scraggy -> 15 Atk vs 21 Def & 22 HP (120 Base Power): 9 - 12 (40.91% - 54.55%)

While Scraggy can OHKO Pawniard with Drain Punch, OHKO Gligar with Ice Punch, 2HKO Slowpoke with Crunch (or just set up another DD on it then OHKO), OHKO Snover with Drain Punch, 2HKO Stunky with Drain Punch (or just DD again), and OHKO Gastly with Crunch. It outspeeds all of these Pokemon after a Dragon Dance.

To remedy this I really do suggest you replace one of your pokemon with at least the above Mienfoo, Timburr, or Meditite; as Scraggy just sweeps through your team at the moment.

Hope this helped.

 

[ghfjdksl]

Srry if i sounded rude it was at 2am but anyways I have never had a problem with scraggy so i dont feel like remedying a problem i never really had. Yes 40 is right on slowpoke but the extra evs dont do anything else so i just dragged the bar to the rightmost. And the way missy (if im going against a scraggy im going to be using missy) + other poke beats scraggy is really complicated and i usually play on po due to i don't like doing it but here is the strategy. I switch my core around so that missy is used more and more so that it lures a scraggy out. Now scraggy is usually able to setup on missy but after an icy wind it cant outspeed everything and now one of three different things happens: 1. They switch out and have less than full hp so its easier when they try to come back and kill. 2. They boost up more and switch out which leads to even more hp lost. 3. (The most common) They boost once or twice and kill missy without full hp and when i switch gligar in they know they can ohko it with ice punch. If they boosted multiple times aerial ace kills and if they dont die than another poke can do the rest. I may use the slowpoke build u gave now that i think about it with a rested head but i don't feel the gligar or stunky build will benefit the way i like to use them. But the thing in snover's place will have to be able to beat porygon... How about a bulky croagunk? It would remedy the problem you see with scraggy and my porygon problem (the thing sweeps through my entire team with ease). again sorry about sounding rude i seem to get that way if i stay up too late.

 

[fatty]

hahahah then you must of been playing some really shitty scraggy users, coz your team is just about as scraggy weak as you can get. i suggest you stop blowing al's suggestions off coz he's trying to make this team better and actually put a bulky fighter on this team. pawniard seems like the most replaceable because you say that it acts as a lure to gligar and a bulky fighter can do the same. mixed carvanha also does a number on this team, so like you said bulky croagunk would work very well. i suggest putting it over pawniard as it still lures out gligar and does kind of the same job, it just isnt as powerful as pawniard.