I like Breloom :)

levenl00s

Hello you all,

I'm a total noob, played for 4 days now I think. I did have a large interest in competitive battling earlier on, so I know a thing or two about the metagame, but teambuilding is relatively new for me.

This is my first kinda successful team...I think it can be much better, so thanks in advance for rating :)

Offense

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Breloom @Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
8 HP/244 Atk/252 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpAtk)
- Spore
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Stone Edge

First put the enemy to sleep with Spore, then Substitute and Focus Punch/Stone Edge your way to victory.
I wanted to build a team around this beast, if your opponent has no counter or it is removed, it might as well clean sweep the whole opposing team or at least 2 of them. Invincibility to status is wicked as well.

I usually use this as lead. If I see a wall later on in the game, I will switch to Breloom and SubPunch some more ass.

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Latios @Choice Specs
Levitate
4 HP/252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Hidden Power Fire
- Psyshock

I bring this one in on many attacks that it resists, then hit once and very hard and then switch out.
Draco Meteor for raw power, there is nothing that can come in and not get (nearly) OHKOd. Surf is for pesky Fire-types that my team otherwise is weak to. HP Fire for Grass/steel or bug/steel types (Fuck you, Ferrothorn!)

Psyshock is a bit useless on this set, because I can take on Blissey already, any suggestions?

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Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf
Levitate
252 SpAtk/4 SpDef/252 Spe
Modest nature (+SpAtk, - Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Overheat
- Hidden Power Ice
- Trick

Many useful resistances, there are many pokemon Rotom-H can switch into whilst resisting all their attacks.. While Genesect is officially Uber, it is still allowed on Pokemon Online OU. This is absolutely THE best counter to Genesect, resisting all attacks on his standard choice set.
Volt Switch on this quick mon is obligatory, it's not too strong defensively. Overheat is STAB move of choice, HP Ice for Gliscor/dragonite/other pokemon who do not no he's running HP Ice. Trick for Chansey/Blissey

Defense
Well, I stole a pretty standard defensive core. Here it is:

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Ferrothorn @Leftovers
Iron Barbs
252 HP/8 Def/248 SpDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spe)
IV: 0 Spe
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Protect/Power whip (Thx for the suggestion, I'll see if it works)
- Gyro Ball

Oops, just found out that I had 31 Spe IV's :p No wonder my Gyro Ball was hitting softly...
Ferrothorn is only hurt by Fire attacks. When I'm sure my opponent doesn't have one, I switch to this mon. It will force a switch, so there's my first move, Spikes. Then Leech Seed+Protect for stalling. Gyro Ball (or in tandem with Power Whip) to do some damage and not be completely outclassed by frail set-up sweepers.

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Heatran @Leftovers
Flash Fire
252 HP/252 SpDef/4Spe
Calm nature (+SpDef, -Atk)
- Earth Power
- Lava Plume
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

To all who try to Fire your way through my Breloom or Ferrothorn, I love you <3 Try to Water kill me, and I switch for Ferrothorn. Most of the time I get a free Stealth Rock or Spikes because I force a switch.
As much as this is a specially defensive behemoth, it also packs quite a punch. A powered up Lava Plume is gorgeous and Earth Power, it just hurts...
Roar is not getting much usage on this set, alternatives?

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Gliscor @Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
252 Atk/184 Def/72 Spe
Impish nature (+Def, -SpAtk)
- Protect
- Substitute (instead of Taunt, thx guys)
- Earthquake
- Toxic

Another pokemon to cause many switches, I use Toxic on the switch. Then either stall with Portect+Sub or proceed to hit with Earthquake. Which it does very well for a defensive pokemon.


That basically was it, no unusual pokemon except for Rotom-H. If Genesect is removed from PO, my haunted microwave will most likely be replaced as well.
Suggestions are very welcome.
 
Hey there, real cool team you have here, yet standard, it can be improved in more ways than one, so that is what I am here to do. Okay, before I start my rate, you should increase your descriptions to at least the lengtrh of a small paragraph, this helps us, the raters, rate your teams better. Okay, now let's get into the team, I shall look at the synergy using a specialized calculator I found online to see your weaknesses to each type. Okay, I am done rambling (at least for now), so let's get to me rating this team before I throw the whole point of this response off-topic. Okay, so when I look at your team, I see that you don't have any real glaring weaknesses, but you do have some odd EV and Movesets, so I'll go ahead and suggest some changes in both those departments. Keep in mind that you have to take these suggestions into deep consideration before you even think of commenting on them. In addition, the changes I am about to suggest might involve changing a Pokemon or two to help the synergy of your team. Alright, first things first, you should change your Breloom to a Bulk Up set over your current one. The set allows Breloom to boost its rather mediocre Defenses up to where it can actually take a solid physical hit. Moving on, I recommend using a spread of 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD over your current EV spread. With the aftermentioned EV spread, this assures that Ferrothorn will never be 2HKO'd by a +1 Haxorus Earthquake. Moving foward onto your Heatran, I suggest changing its EV spread to 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe over your current spread. Obviously, Heatran can take Special attacks aimed at it way more easily due to the power surge. Last, but not least, I suggest using Substitute over Taunt on your current Gliscor. Substitute is crucial on Toxic Stall Gliscor as he can rack up damage just by spamming Protect and obviously Substitute. Well, that's all I have to say for now. I hope my suggestions helped you a lot. Have fun and good luck with youir team!

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Breloom @ Toxic Orb Lv. 100 -- Poison Heal

Nature: Careful - EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd

- Spore
- Bulk Up
- Seed Bomb
- Drain Punch

~Dr Ciel~ (The doctor is OUT)
 
well, i see that you are new to teambuilding, in fact this team has some problem, but they are easy to fix.
Firstly, you are using rotom-h as your scarfed mon, but i can assure that it is not a good choice, it does not have enough speed and most importan its weak to stealth rock, meaning that you can not switch so many times, and this is a problem considering that rotom-c has volt switch. Using 2 fire in the same team also makes you very weak to rain team: truely breloom and Ferrothorn helps, but remember that any team with Politoed makes 2 of your 6 pokemon less usefull. Tornadus particularly has no problem to superpower on your Heatran, it can 2ko with Hurricane Ferrothorn and while rotom-H can revenge kill with some switch into stealth rock you are going to lose this pokemon quickly. Mamoswine also seems a pain for this team, it can use an ice attack to kill Latios, Breloom and gliscor, while Earthquake and superpower will kill the rest of your team. Then again, rotom-h can check it but being weak to stealth rock is a big problem, also you need to a predictable Overheat which i think it cant even ko Mamoswine, since it has Thick fat. Rock polish Landorus also seems problematic, Latios can survive an hidden power ice but thats it, if your opponent already weakened your Latios you have pretty much lost; Heatran is koed by Earthpower, Gliscor and Breloom by Hp ice, Ferrothorn by Focus blast. Gengar also seems problematic somehow, with a combination of shadow ball and focus blast it will give you some problem, Gliscor cant touch it, Heatran and Ferrothorn take a lot of damage by focus blast, Latios need to risk a speed tie to ko it, and breloom can do stone edge to it but it cant really switch on it anyway.

To make it short, i would start with a Specially defensive Rotom-w. It helps a bit against water move in general, being a nice switch to politoed, it can consistely switch on tornadus-t, it can also stop Mamoswine if it does not have Superpower, it can take an hit by Landorus and then ko it with hydro pump. It also help somehow against gengar, its not the best check in the world but at least it helps.

I think you should also consider to run Substitute over Taunt into Gliscor, substitute is really important if you need to toxic stall things, but if you think that Taunt is needed to avoid hazard by Skarmory and Ferrothorn then stay with Taunt (even though you have Heatran to force them to switch).

I would also suggest you to run Power whip instead of protect into Ferrothorn. You have two grass type but none of them has a grass move, meaning that bulky water are more difficult to deal with, For example Starmie, Politoed, Jellicent and so on. Protect helps in combination with leech seed to stay alive but, power whip helps you more. I dont want to suggest Seed bomb into your breloom because otherwhise you are even more weak to Flying types like Tornadus or Salamence.

Rotom-w set:
Rotom-W @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 28 SAtk / 228 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Thunder Wave
- Rest

Chesto berry gives you an instant recovery move and a way to cure status, but if you dont like it you can use Pain split as well. Thunder wave is preferred to avoid the miss rate of W-o-w as well as being a superior move against special attackers like Tornadus-t, Gengar or Calm mind Keldeo.


Tl;dr:
Substitute > Taunt
Power whip > Protect
 
Thank you for your suggestions. I have tried to lengthen the descriptions, that's hard for me...

@DrCiel:
If I use the Bulk Up set on Breloom, I will have to switch out upon encountering fast (or average speed with EV change) fire types. When there is a substitute up, this is not the case. I think it will be much harder to set-up using Bulk Up over SubPunch, but I will try it out.
Is there any other reason to switch Ferrothorns EV spread than just Haxorus? I kinda like it the way it is. Onto your Heatran EV change, what is the purpose of moving 4 HP EV's to Spe? It does not optimize Leftovers recovery or so.
Sub over Taunt is done on Gliscor

@Neliel:
I usually take on Tornadus with Rotom-H. While it isn't the best, it certainly does the job. Offensive Mamoswine does get killed by Overheat after any entry damage, but that nasty Icicle Spear does often prove troublesome.
I have never encountered Rock Polish Landorus with this team, but thinking of it, it is quite dangerous. I think i could Leech Seed stall him with Ferrothorn. As for Gengar, Rotom-H destroys it if there's no sub up, if there is, well, Volt Switch or so?
As you can see, Rotom-H is really important on my team, but maybe I need a spinner to make up for his stealth rock weakness?

As for Sub>Taunt, done. And Power Whip>protect, I'll try.

Thanks!
 
A scarfed rotom-h needs to have no stealth rock up to work efficently, and you cant really avoid the stealth rock in anyway with spinners or magic bouncer. With stealth rock up a skilled player can just u-turn out with tornadus while you switch to rotom-h, taking the stealth rock damage. The same is for Mamoswine, you need to be locked into a move like overheat that can offer free turn to too many things, any rain team for example, or any dragon, and this sucks. Ferrothorn cant really stall landorus since Modest landorus can even ko it, but with rotom-w you can take a focus blast and kill it with hydro pump. Rotom-h can revenge kill gengar for sure but it cant switch on it, thats what i meant. i think you need more special bulk on rotom, and also i think that Heatran is enough to check Genesect. Using two fire types in the same team makes you really weak to rain team, which are very common.
 
Hi! This is a very cool team here, but I would like to make some suggestions. First, I would like to suggest changing your Breloom set to a Focus Sash set. This is because it can come in, force a switch, Spore, and then do some Swords Dance boosting with a Focus Sash still intact. This also means you cant be KO'd by many threats like Mamoswine's Ice Shard and Tornadus-T's Hurricane. Then you can Spore, SD, and continue to spam Mach Punch once its counters are removed. This will also give you a late game sweeper which your team currently lacks (well the Breloom you have kinda is a late game sweeper but not really and this one is more effective). Next, Rotom-H really doesn't fit very well in your team. It is not a very good Scarf user but the main thing is that its weak to Stealth Rocks and you have no spinner. Rotom-H is not very effective when Rocks are on the field because it can't revenge kill effectively when its taking so much damage from rocks on switch in. I would like to suggest Landorus. He can use Choice Scarf much more effectively. He can HP Ice, just like Rotom-H can. He can U-turn, just like your Rotom-H can volt switch and then he has two more slots for powerful attacks.



Breloom Set:

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Breloom (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Spore
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch

Landorus Set:

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Landorus (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn
- Hidden Power [Ice]
 
nice team.If you're using Breloom as an offensive mon,I suggest you change it to the Standard SD Techniloom.Techniloom can easily beat a lot of faster threats with it's super strong Mach Punch as well as crush defensive threats like Jellicent,tentacruel,Gliscor with Bullet Seed.

I also suggest Dragon Pulse/Trick over HP Fire on Latios.HP Fire is great on Expert Belt,LO or Scarf set,but i find it unappealing on the specs set.Since it's use is limited on this set.Dragon Pulse is a consistant STAB with a better typing than Psyshock while Trick messes up the Chansey,Blissy,SpDef Rachi and Ferrothorn.

Like everyone who rated so far,I agree that Rotom-H is not a good fit on your team.You already have Heatran for Genesect,if you're too worried about GeneDug,use Shed Shell or Air Balloon on Heatran.Rotom-H's SR weakness and low speed makes it a bad candidate for a scarfer.I would suggest Scarf terrakion over your Rotom-H.Scarf terrakion great attack,speed and typing makes it a very good candidate for a scarfer revenging troublesome threats.However if you feel too vulnerble to Tornauds-T,ScarfRachi can also be used over Rotom-H as a scarfer.

Sets
Breloom (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Spore

Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
 
Wow guys, I didn't expect this many reactions...you are great!

I mainly use Smogon for my movesets...I'm really really puzzled why they didnt put this SD Technician Breloom set as one of the standards, I like it better than SubPunch on first sight and I tried the Bulk Up version, where a switch to special attacker means I have to switch out. I'll try the LO version, as I will use it as late game sweeper, so Focus Sash will be rendered useless by hazards.

As for Rotom-H, I see all your arguments and from further testing I have to say...it isn't all that great. I will try Rotom-W, since i do have some troubles against rain teams.

As for the HP Fire on Latios: I will keep it. Dragon Pulse/Trick won't do any more to Chans/Bliss/Ferry than HP Fire/Psyshock. The goal of this Latios is not to hit consistently, but once, hard and fast.

Once testing is done, I will edit the first post.
 
Yo, welcome to Smogon! I'm Yeezy, and I'm going to do some critiques and explanations.
Firstly, your surprise to the reaction you've received for your thread is normal - raters who see someone new to Smogon flock to the thread like a moth to a flame. Become a veteran here and less and less notice is paid to you and your team, mostly disregarding however successful your team is.

Secondly, if you could tidy up the OP that would be great, as some of your pictures are incredibly overwhelming and distracting from trying to rate the thread - my thoughts on picture size is so you can see what Pokemon it is and the moveset/spread as well. Gliscor, for example, stretches my screen.

Now, I think your team would benefit better from a Techniloom variant, as both your attacking moves on Breloom are incredibly sketchy - Stone Edge misses more times than its accuracy rating suggests, and if your opponent's Pokemon wakes up unexpectedly then Focus Punch isn't going to do shit. I prefer Techniloom as its far safer, more reliable and more often than not hits harder. But nonetheless, its up to you.

Breloom (M) @Focus Sash
Trait: Technician
Jolly Nature
252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Spore
 
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