After lukewarm (more like freezing, hahahaha) recpetion to my last attempt at a mono ice team, I spent the afternoon redrafting it to be (hopefully) at least a little bit better.
Criticism is more than welcome, especially if it finds massive flaws in my team, but can we not deride ourselves through personal attacks or treating people like a n00b unless they act like one...join date shouldn't matter, being an arse should...
Anyway I digress (I've decided to talk a little after each poke rather then just post them):
Abomasnow @ Choice Glasses
Mild - EVs: 252 HP/ 6 ? / 252 Sp.Atk
-Blizzard
-Grass Rope
-Focus Bomb
-HP Electric
"Standard" Abomaspire, or so I'm told. Blizzard to make use of the hail and STAB, Grass Rope destroys anything heavy (Tyranitar, Garchomp etc) plus it gets STAB. I prefer Focus Bomb over Punch because I dislike the waiting period, personally, and because i can concentrate more EVs into its Sp.Attk. Blissey doesn't take as much of a hit though...
Can anyone suggest an alternative to HP Electric if I can't get it in game with the right nature? I don't really plan on using competitor or netbattle.
I really dislike the choice items though...
Mamoswine @ Black Steel Orb
Brave - EVs: 252 Attack, 84 HP, 125 Sp. Def, 40 Defence
-Earthquake
-Snow Slide
-Ice Pebble/Rest
-Stone Edge
I really like this set, I haven't seen it around (there's probably a reason for it, but I like it), I'm dubbing it "Steelswine". Earthquake gets STAB and can hit everything (not that you would necessarily want to), but electrolevitate gets disabled Magnezone gets owned, Staraptor takes quite a hit too. Snow Slide will always go second getting a 120 base attack powered attack, plus Steelswine's massive attack and STAB.
However, is ice pebble's always go first rule applied before or after the B.S.O? If so I'm going for a quick, strong STAB'd pebble, if not a rest to prolong the 'swine, it is bulky enough to use it, especially with the EVs. Stone Edge to deal with OU.
Weavile @ Choice Band/Life Orb
Adamant - EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Ice Punch
-Blade Test
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace/Scissor Cross
But I really hate limiting myself to just one move, hence why I lean more towards the Life Orb, besides it has pretty low defenses anyway, its not like it is going to take many hits anyway...other than that this Weavile is pretty standard.
Glaceon @ Leftovers
Modest - EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 129 Def, 129 Sp.Def
-Blizzard
-Water Pulse
-Shadow Ball
-Wish/Fake Tears/Mirror Coat
Pretty standard, 'cept I can't choose the final move, help me...
I figured that Glaceon is more bulky in its defenses than most, so it is semi-sweeper, semi-tank.
Unsure about the EV spread or item, help needed.
Froslass @ Leftovers
Timid - EVs: 252 Speed, 84 Defence, 84 Sp. Def, 86 Sp. Attack
-Blizzard
-Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt
-Spikes/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Again, pretty standard, I'm unsure whether Froslass can cope with spikes and leaving itself open. I like the STAB of Shadow Ball over Thunderbolt, but do I want to be repeating Shadow Ball as I already have it on Glaceon?
MY SIXTH POKE IS BETWEEN TWO:
Walrein @ Leftovers
Brave - EVs: 252 HP, 84 Sp.Def , 125 Attack, 40 Def
-Rest
-Curse
-Sleep Talk/Earthquake
-Waterfall
Basic tank, perhaps not as bulky as it could be but it'll do the trick. Curses over and over until needs to be healed by rest or sweeps with Earthquake/Waterfall, one of which is vital for chasing out the fire types.
I'm undecided about sleep talk at the sacrifice or earthquake, and I may use thick fat over ice body, despite the hailing situation, to deal with those pesky fires and especially those pesky mixed infernapes.
OR
Lapras @ Leftovers
Modest - EVs: 252 HP, 84 Sp.Def , 125 Sp.Attack, 40 Def
-Blizzard
-Surf
-Rest
-Sleep Talk/Thunderbolt
Bulkier with more HP, but less efficient at chasing away the fires and complimenting the weather. Will I need thunderbolt if I have it on Froslass?
WHICH ONE?
Obviously my entire strategy revolves around the creation and maintaining of a hail storm, but changing weather pokes Cherrim and Manaphy might put a spanner in my works. Last time I put hail on my moveset but was laughed at for it...
The list of OU counters:
Tyranitar: Grass Rope or Focus Bomb on Abomasnow, Earthquake on Steelswine and Brick Break on Weavile
Gyarados: Thunderbolt from Lapras or Froslass, Grass Rope?
Infernape: Massive problem...earthquake from Steelswine, aerial ace on Weavile, Water Pulse from Glaceon, Waterfall and Earthquake from Walrein and Surf from Lapras. Still, 4/6 of my pokes are very weak to it...
Azelf: Levitate is taken care of by Steelswine, its def is weak enough to be brought down by an earthquake, snow slide or stone edge. Weavile cannot be touched by it, but its explosion could cause problems for it. Glaceon murders it with its high def and shadow ball, but flamethrower is a problem for all.
Rhyperior: argh...ooh, grass rope, earthquake, brick break, water pulse, surf/waterfall...admittedly its ability is going to be a pain.
Electivire: Steelswine (I'm just going to use the names of the pokes)
Heracross: Problem...
Salamence: Anything ice = dead
Togekiss: Steelswine, Weavile, Glaceon
Gengar: Steelswine, Glaceon?
Garchomp: Ice = dead...
Raikou: kind of a problem, Steelswine should work, but if it has HP ice or grass this could be a problem, but if I'm on wi-fi unless it is hacked the chances of findin one with that are quite slim.
Lucario: Weavile, Steelswine, Abomasnow, Walreain
Starmie: Lapras, Froslass , otherwise is a problem
Weavile: Abomasnow, Weavile
Alakazam: Glaceon, Froslass, Weavile
PorygonZ: Massive problem, because it is so versatile, Abomasnow, Weavile, maybe
Snorlax: Weavile, Abomasnow
Blissey: Big problem, Abomasnow, Weavile, Steelswine
Suicune: PROBLEM
Ninjask: Glaceon, Weavile, Steelswine, Froslass, Abomasnow
Metagross: Steelswine, Glaceon, Walrein
Manaphy: The biggest problem of them all, if it uses rain dance to heal itself then I lose my hail. If Abomasnow is fainted then I have a massive problem with my pokes mainly knowing blizzard...perhaps some should know hail...?
Any help would be appreciated...I hope that I did better this time...
Criticism is more than welcome, especially if it finds massive flaws in my team, but can we not deride ourselves through personal attacks or treating people like a n00b unless they act like one...join date shouldn't matter, being an arse should...
Anyway I digress (I've decided to talk a little after each poke rather then just post them):
Abomasnow @ Choice Glasses
Mild - EVs: 252 HP/ 6 ? / 252 Sp.Atk
-Blizzard
-Grass Rope
-Focus Bomb
-HP Electric
"Standard" Abomaspire, or so I'm told. Blizzard to make use of the hail and STAB, Grass Rope destroys anything heavy (Tyranitar, Garchomp etc) plus it gets STAB. I prefer Focus Bomb over Punch because I dislike the waiting period, personally, and because i can concentrate more EVs into its Sp.Attk. Blissey doesn't take as much of a hit though...
Can anyone suggest an alternative to HP Electric if I can't get it in game with the right nature? I don't really plan on using competitor or netbattle.
I really dislike the choice items though...
Mamoswine @ Black Steel Orb
Brave - EVs: 252 Attack, 84 HP, 125 Sp. Def, 40 Defence
-Earthquake
-Snow Slide
-Ice Pebble/Rest
-Stone Edge
I really like this set, I haven't seen it around (there's probably a reason for it, but I like it), I'm dubbing it "Steelswine". Earthquake gets STAB and can hit everything (not that you would necessarily want to), but electrolevitate gets disabled Magnezone gets owned, Staraptor takes quite a hit too. Snow Slide will always go second getting a 120 base attack powered attack, plus Steelswine's massive attack and STAB.
However, is ice pebble's always go first rule applied before or after the B.S.O? If so I'm going for a quick, strong STAB'd pebble, if not a rest to prolong the 'swine, it is bulky enough to use it, especially with the EVs. Stone Edge to deal with OU.
Weavile @ Choice Band/Life Orb
Adamant - EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Ice Punch
-Blade Test
-Brick Break
-Aerial Ace/Scissor Cross
But I really hate limiting myself to just one move, hence why I lean more towards the Life Orb, besides it has pretty low defenses anyway, its not like it is going to take many hits anyway...other than that this Weavile is pretty standard.
Glaceon @ Leftovers
Modest - EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 129 Def, 129 Sp.Def
-Blizzard
-Water Pulse
-Shadow Ball
-Wish/Fake Tears/Mirror Coat
Pretty standard, 'cept I can't choose the final move, help me...
I figured that Glaceon is more bulky in its defenses than most, so it is semi-sweeper, semi-tank.
Unsure about the EV spread or item, help needed.
Froslass @ Leftovers
Timid - EVs: 252 Speed, 84 Defence, 84 Sp. Def, 86 Sp. Attack
-Blizzard
-Shadow Ball/Thunderbolt
-Spikes/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Again, pretty standard, I'm unsure whether Froslass can cope with spikes and leaving itself open. I like the STAB of Shadow Ball over Thunderbolt, but do I want to be repeating Shadow Ball as I already have it on Glaceon?
MY SIXTH POKE IS BETWEEN TWO:
Walrein @ Leftovers
Brave - EVs: 252 HP, 84 Sp.Def , 125 Attack, 40 Def
-Rest
-Curse
-Sleep Talk/Earthquake
-Waterfall
Basic tank, perhaps not as bulky as it could be but it'll do the trick. Curses over and over until needs to be healed by rest or sweeps with Earthquake/Waterfall, one of which is vital for chasing out the fire types.
I'm undecided about sleep talk at the sacrifice or earthquake, and I may use thick fat over ice body, despite the hailing situation, to deal with those pesky fires and especially those pesky mixed infernapes.
OR
Lapras @ Leftovers
Modest - EVs: 252 HP, 84 Sp.Def , 125 Sp.Attack, 40 Def
-Blizzard
-Surf
-Rest
-Sleep Talk/Thunderbolt
Bulkier with more HP, but less efficient at chasing away the fires and complimenting the weather. Will I need thunderbolt if I have it on Froslass?
WHICH ONE?
Obviously my entire strategy revolves around the creation and maintaining of a hail storm, but changing weather pokes Cherrim and Manaphy might put a spanner in my works. Last time I put hail on my moveset but was laughed at for it...
The list of OU counters:
Tyranitar: Grass Rope or Focus Bomb on Abomasnow, Earthquake on Steelswine and Brick Break on Weavile
Gyarados: Thunderbolt from Lapras or Froslass, Grass Rope?
Infernape: Massive problem...earthquake from Steelswine, aerial ace on Weavile, Water Pulse from Glaceon, Waterfall and Earthquake from Walrein and Surf from Lapras. Still, 4/6 of my pokes are very weak to it...
Azelf: Levitate is taken care of by Steelswine, its def is weak enough to be brought down by an earthquake, snow slide or stone edge. Weavile cannot be touched by it, but its explosion could cause problems for it. Glaceon murders it with its high def and shadow ball, but flamethrower is a problem for all.
Rhyperior: argh...ooh, grass rope, earthquake, brick break, water pulse, surf/waterfall...admittedly its ability is going to be a pain.
Electivire: Steelswine (I'm just going to use the names of the pokes)
Heracross: Problem...
Salamence: Anything ice = dead
Togekiss: Steelswine, Weavile, Glaceon
Gengar: Steelswine, Glaceon?
Garchomp: Ice = dead...
Raikou: kind of a problem, Steelswine should work, but if it has HP ice or grass this could be a problem, but if I'm on wi-fi unless it is hacked the chances of findin one with that are quite slim.
Lucario: Weavile, Steelswine, Abomasnow, Walreain
Starmie: Lapras, Froslass , otherwise is a problem
Weavile: Abomasnow, Weavile
Alakazam: Glaceon, Froslass, Weavile
PorygonZ: Massive problem, because it is so versatile, Abomasnow, Weavile, maybe
Snorlax: Weavile, Abomasnow
Blissey: Big problem, Abomasnow, Weavile, Steelswine
Suicune: PROBLEM
Ninjask: Glaceon, Weavile, Steelswine, Froslass, Abomasnow
Metagross: Steelswine, Glaceon, Walrein
Manaphy: The biggest problem of them all, if it uses rain dance to heal itself then I lose my hail. If Abomasnow is fainted then I have a massive problem with my pokes mainly knowing blizzard...perhaps some should know hail...?
Any help would be appreciated...I hope that I did better this time...