Monotype Ice Monotype, continues to improve

Número13

Número13

Since the last time that I posted the monotype, I have done some changes that in my opinion are good for the team, although I think that some things could be changed to be nearer from a perfect team. I'll add a link to the last post in order to you can see the team before these changes.
First team and Second team

Actual team:
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Mega-Abomasnow
Abomasnow-Mega (M) @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fire]

This is the third M-Abomasnow that I test and for the moment is my favourite. In he I have found the solution to defeat Ferrothor, but pokemon as Lucario or Scizor continues being practically unstoppables. Shadow Ball not convince me at all, but I have no idea of what move can be better to close the moveset.
Jynx
Jynx (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Hyper Voice
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam

Probably the worst pokemon of the team in my opinion. I never know which is the perfect moment to introduce her in the battle and her moves aren very common. I test her because a lot of people recommended me to try faster pokemon, and one of these is Jynx. The moveset is really bad, because I have no idea how to use this pokemon.
B-Kyurem
Kyurem-Black @ Choice Band
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Fusion Bolt
- Iron Head

Finally I can obtain this amazing pokemon and I love him. Is one of the most important pokemon in the team and I only found one mistake, and it is the lack of an ice type physical attack.
Weavile
Weavile (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Knock Off
- Brick Break

The only pokemon that I won't change. I prefer this moveset than the classic (Icicle Shard, Knock Off, Ice Shard, Low Kick) because I play very comfortable with this Weavile. The only doubt is the object, Life Orb or Focus Sash.
Piloswine
Piloswine (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Ice Shard

My version of the Piloswine that recommended me Tyke . When I test this pokemon I was amazed. He is really resistant and can defeat easily strong pokemon as Charizard-Y or Volcarona. A lot of thanks Tyke.
Avalugg
Avalugg (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Avalanche
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic
- Recover

The only reason because of this pokemon is in the team is the Rapid Spin. Stealth Rock is a big inconvenient for this team and its necessary that someone cleans the field. Besides this, I don't use Avalugg for anything. His moveset is so poor and his Special Defense is ridiculous.

The biggest problems that I found in the team are:
  1. A Special Wall. I have thought in Lapras, because have good HP and SpDef and with the moveset Freeze-Dry, Surf, Psychic, Heal Bell can enter in the team for Jynx perfectly, but I would lose a quick pokemon.
  2. Defense against fighting-type pokemon. Pokemon as Conkeldurr or Lucario can destroy the team without problems. The solution that everyone recomended me is Froslass, but I don't know how tu use this pokemon. With the moveset Spikes, Thunder Wave, Destiny Bond, Ice Beam/Shadow Ball I don't control her correctly, and as Special Sweeper I don't found a space in the team.
  3. Steel-type pokemon. With Abomasnow and Weavile I control more or less this pokemon, but when this pokemon are KO, the battle is ended.
I'm waiting for your oppinions and tips. Regards.
 
Hey there, nice Ice team! Here are a few suggestions.

Your team lacks Speed control a way to revenge kill Keldeo which is a big threat to Ice-type teams. Since you're not satisfied with Jynx, I recommend running a Choice Scarf Rotom-F. This gives you Speed control and a Pokemon that outspeeds and OHKOs Keldeo with Thunderbolt. However, since your team is extremely weak to Mega Scizor and Rotom-F is the only Pokemon that takes neutral from it, I recommend running 108 HP EVs on it so +2 Adamant Bullet Punch from Mega Scizor never OHKOs if Rotom is at full HP. This will allow you to knock it out with HP Fire or put it in range of Weavile's Ice Shard. The Speed you will lose from
adding EVs into HP won't prevent you from outspeeding Keldeo or many other Pokemon so you don't have to worry about that.

Rotom-Frost @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SpA / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt / Trick
- Blizzard
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Hope this suggestions will help you out, good luck with the team!
 
Hey! Nice team you got there, but I wanted to give a few tips.

  • Weavile: Brick Break --> Low Kick. This change allows you to hit mons like Tyranitar opposing Avaluggs and heavy steel mons like Aggron for greater damage. Brick Break doesn't provide enough power. Alternatively Icicle Crash can be used for a strong ice stab.
  • Avalugg: Toxic --> Earthquake. Honestly you can either change toxic or Avalanche but overall EQ is a great move as you can hit threats like Terrakion which OHKO the majority of your tram.
  • Kyurem-B: Choice Band --> Choice Scarf. Kyurem on ice is so much better with scarf and I noticed you don't have a scarfer on your team. It will help you outspeed and KO strong mons like Keldeo and Infernape that threaten your team. Dragon Claw --> Ice Beam. Ice Beam is very important to have as your team might struggle vs Mega Venusaur and adds to Kyurems wallbreaking abilities. Finally, Iron Head --> Earth Power. You don't really have to make this change but other than fairies you don't hit much while Earth Power helps you vs fire and also hits Rotom through Levitate for super effective damage.
Lastly, I want to talk about Jynx. I wouldn't recommend using it as it gives little to the type. The most viable set IMO is Trick Room which pairs up nicely with your Mega Abomasnow. However I would recommend Jynx --> Special Cloyster since your team would like some answers to rock and also a check to Scizor which otherwise runs through your team.
Cloyster @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Hydro Pump
- Shell Smash

Edit: I also wanted to suggest Focus Blast over Shadow Ball on Abomasnow. It might help you with more pokemon, especially steel types. Ice Shard and Earthquake are also an option.
 
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Confluxx said:
Hey there, nice Ice team! Here are a few suggestions.

Your team lacks Speed control a way to revenge kill Keldeo which is a big threat to Ice-type teams. Since you're not satisfied with Jynx, I recommend running a Choice Scarf Rotom-F. This gives you Speed control and a Pokemon that outspeeds and OHKOs Keldeo with Thunderbolt. However, since your team is extremely weak to Mega Scizor and Rotom-F is the only Pokemon that takes neutral from it, I recommend running 108 HP EVs on it so +2 Adamant Bullet Punch from Mega Scizor never OHKOs if Rotom is at full HP. This will allow you to knock it out with HP Fire or put it in range of Weavile's Ice Shard. The Speed you will lose from
adding EVs into HP won't prevent you from outspeeding Keldeo or many other Pokemon so you don't have to worry about that.

Rotom-Frost @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SpA / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt / Trick
- Blizzard
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Hope this suggestions will help you out, good luck with the team!
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Thanks for your oppinion, I'll keep that in mind. If you have seen the second team that I've tried, you can see the initial idea of a Rotom-F, but your idea is so good and I'll try it. I want ask you about my problem with special class attacks, because Piloswine hasn't access to recover HP and Avalugg hasn't SpDef. The change I thought is Lapras>Jynx, with the moveset that I say in the post, but in that case, your Rotom can't enter in the team.
 
vlmufa said:
Hey! Nice team you got there, but I wanted to give a few tips.

  • Weavile: Brick Break --> Low Kick. This change allows you to hit mons like Tyranitar opposing Avaluggs and heavy steel mons like Aggron for greater damage. Brick Break doesn't provide enough power. Alternatively Icicle Crash can be used for a strong ice stab.
  • Avalugg: Toxic --> Earthquake. Honestly you can either change toxic or Avalanche but overall EQ is a great move as you can hit threats like Terrakion which OHKO the majority of your tram.
  • Kyurem-B: Choice Band --> Choice Scarf. Kyurem on ice is so much better with scarf and I noticed you don't have a scarfer on your team. It will help you outspeed and KO strong mons like Keldeo and Infernape that threaten your team. Dragon Claw --> Ice Beam. Ice Beam is very important to have as your team might struggle vs Mega Venusaur and adds to Kyurems wallbreaking abilities. Finally, Iron Head --> Earth Power. You don't really have to make this change but other than fairies you don't hit much while Earth Power helps you vs fire and also hits Rotom through Levitate for super effective damage.
Lastly, I want to talk about Jynx. I wouldn't recommend using it as it gives little to the type. The most viable set IMO is Trick Room which pairs up nicely with your Mega Abomasnow. However I would recommend Jynx --> Special Cloyster since your team would like some answers to rock and also a check to Scizor which otherwise runs through your team.
Cloyster @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Hydro Pump
- Shell Smash

Edit: I also wanted to suggest Focus Blast over Shadow Ball on Abomasnow. It might help you with more pokemon, especially steel types. Ice Shard and Earthquake are also an option.
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And how about the Lapras I said instead of Clyster? I'll try the changes you said in Weavile, Avalugg and M-Abomasnow. I also think in Regice Mixed Wall, but I've not got idea about a good moveset.
Regice @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Impish Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Icy Wind
- ???
- ???
 
Número13 said:
And how about the Lapras I said instead of Clyster? I'll try the changes you said in Weavile, Avalugg and M-Abomasnow. I also think in Regice Mixed Wall, but I've not got idea about a good moveset.
Regice @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Impish Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Icy Wind
- ???
- ???
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Lapras isn't that great as a special wall, I think your team is fine with Piloswine. If you want you can use a Specs Lapras with HP Fire for Scizor, which does similar job as Confluxxs Rotom-F and can work almost as well as Cloyster. Also Regice isn't that good.
 
vlmufa said:
Lapras isn't that great as a special wall, I think your team is fine with Piloswine. If you want you can use a Specs Lapras with HP Fire for Scizor, which does similar job as Confluxxs Rotom-F and can work almost as well as Cloyster. Also Regice isn't that good.
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So the change that you recommend me is Specs Lapras for Jynx right? I've thought in this Lapras, but I want to put him Heal Bell to help the team and I don't know what move delete.
Lapras @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 PS / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
- Freeze-Dry
- Psichic
- Hidden Power Fire
- Surf
 
Lapras dies to Superpower from Mega Scizor and doesn't solve your Keldeo problem. If you were to replace any Pokemon for Lapras/Walrein it would have to be Mega Abomasnow. All your other Pokemon have very important roles while Mega Abomasnow doesn't do anything that your other Pokemon can't handle.
 
Confluxx said:
Lapras dies to Superpower from Mega Scizor and doesn't solve your Keldeo problem. If you were to replace any inmfor Lapras/Walrein it would have to be Mega Abomasnow. All your other Pokemon have very important roles while Mega Abomasnow doesn't do anything that your other Pokemon can't handle.
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M-Abomasnow gives me Grass, Fire, Ice and Fighting. I had not considered the option of create a monotype without a mega, and less an amazing weak monotype as the ice-type. When I chose a mega, I was sure that I prefer Abomasnow before Glalie, although Glalie were faster. The team have been changed and M-Abomasnow have been changed at the same time in order to adapt to it. I don't think that M-Abomasnow is a problem to the team, because in my opinion is, with Piloswine and B-Kyurem the base of the team. Do you think the same that vlmufa about Regice? He wouldn't be good as mixed wall?
 
Número13 said:
So the change that you recommend me is Specs Lapras for Jynx right? I've thought in this Lapras, but I want to put him Heal Bell to help the team and I don't know what move delete.
Lapras @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 PS / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
- Freeze-Dry
- Psichic
- Hidden Power Fire
- Surf
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I don't find Heal Bell necessary tbh, not many teams run that anyway. Offensive is the way to go.

Confluxx said:
Lapras dies to Superpower from Mega Scizor and doesn't solve your Keldeo problem. If you were to replace any Pokemon for Lapras/Walrein it would have to be Mega Abomasnow. All your other Pokemon have very important roles while Mega Abomasnow doesn't do anything that your other Pokemon can't handle.
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Tbh changing Kyurem to Scarf solves the Keldeo problem somewhat. Also doesn't Lapras speed creep Scizor?
 
Número13 Ice-type teams without a mega isn't unheard of, in fact it's pretty common. The coverage you have on Mega Abomasnow is already carried by your other Pokemon except Grass, which you're not in need of because of Kyurem-B's Fusion Bolt, Rotom-F's Thunderbolt and Freeze Dry on Lapras that hits Water-types.

vlmufa You'd have to run Timid Lapras to outspeed Adamant Mega Scizor if it's fast, so that doesn't work because you want to be able to deal with any type of Scizor. It was mentioned in the RMT that Banded Kyurem-B is a set he finds amazing, so I don't see a reason to change it when adding Rotom-F helps him deal with Keldeo as well as Mega Scizor while keeping the set he enjoys.

edit: I meant Timid Lapras.
 
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