Monotype Ice Monotype Upgraded

[Número13]

Two weeks ago I posted my ice monotype based in Glaceon and thank to the help of the members I have done some upgrades that I think that have helped so much the team. This is the old team: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ice-monotype.3576329/#post-6883130

Members of Ice Monotype 2.0:

MegaAbomasnow Mixed swepper

Hasty nature Ability: Ice Warning @ Abomasite EVs: 8 HP / 68 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 180 Spe
Moveset: Blizzard, Giga Drain, Earthquake, Ice Shard
Abomasnow is the megaevolution of the team. I think that MegaAbomasnow is the best ice mega because in my opinion MegaGlalie is worse than him. M-Abomasnow's ability is very useful for the team too and they play very comfortable in this weather. About his strategy is one of the smogon strategies but I changed the nature. The result is a very powerful pokemon who can attack for both pats with a good cover of attacks and a priority move as Ice Shard.

Mamoswine Physicall swepper

Jolly nature Ability: Thick Fat @ Life Orb EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset: Icicle Shard, Earthquake, Superpower, Rock Slide
The physicall swepper of the team along with M-Abomasnow. The objective of the moveset is defeat as much rivals as he can with a good type cover. I have doubts in his moveset because I think that Ice Shard can be good too, but if the opponent have the Focus Sash there's the hail to break it. Superpower and Rock Slide are importants for the team because there are the only rock and fight attacks that I have and there are two types importants.

Lapras Special Wall

Calm nature Ability: Water Absorb @ Leftovers EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpAtk / 252 SpDef
Moveset: Freeze-Dry, Psychic, Surf, Toxic/Heal Bell
I have been looking for a good defensive pokemon and then I found Lapras. With the same types as Walrein, Lapras have better stats and attacks. His ability is really good to defend Mamowine an recover PS. Freeze-Dry as principal attack because is x2 against water pokemons too. Psychic is important for the team too becaue fightng type pokemon was a poblem too with the old team when Froslass was defeated. I doubt with the fourth attack because I don't know if put Toxic in Lapras and Heal Bell in Glaceon or Toxic in Glaceon and Heal Bell in Lapras.

Avalugg Physicall Wall

Impish nature Ability: Ice Body @ Rocky Helmet EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Moveset: Avalanche, Hail, Rapid Spin, Recover
Avalugg is the result of the help of one member in the past thread. Avalugg has the important mission of clean the field, because Stealth Rocks destroy easly this team. He can set the hail if M-Abomasnow can't enter in the battle or is fainted. Avalanche duplicates it's base power because thanks to his ridiculous speed Avalugg will atack in the second time.

Rotom-Frost Special Swepper

Timid nature Ability: Levitation @ Sitrus Berry EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Vel
Moveset: Blizzard, Voltswitch, Will-O-Wisp, Hex
I'm testing Rotom becaus it's ability could be interesting to help other pokemon. Blizzard can't fail in the hail and Will-O-Wisp to burn dangerous pokemon (Scizor, Excadrill, Gyarados...) Hex duplicates it's power if the opponent have an altered status as burned or intoxicated. I also thought in Pain Split, but as an offensive Rotom not stand too much battle an I preffer to put Hex.

Glaceon Special Sweeper

Modest nature Ability: Ice Body @ Choice Specs EVs: 252 SpAtk / 4 SpDef / 252 Vel
Moveset: Blizzard, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power (Fire), Toxic/Heal Bell
Glaceon is the most important pokemon of the team. With the entry of Avalugg in the team I've decided to change Glaceon's performance an now is the most important special swepper of the team. Finally I have found the key to defeat the steel type pokemon, it is Hidden Power, because is the only way to teach a fire attack to a ice type pokemon. The other attacks are the best that Glaceon can learn and the same doubt that have appered before.

This is my upgraded ice monotype and I want your oppinions and advices. I remind you that I don't want use legendaries so don't say me that B-Kyurem is th best ice Physicall Swepper or that Regice is a good special wall. Greetings.

 

[Tyke]

Hey there, cool team. I have a couple suggestions.

1. I reccomend using specs Lapras over Glaceon; due to its far better coverage in Surf and Freeze Dry. it has steel neutrality, and the Water STAB that threatens steel types that HP fire don't touch like Heatran. Glaceon just doesn't offer much of anything to ice teams, sadly.

2. If you're looking for a specially defensive mon to replace Lapras, try eviolite Piloswine. It beats threats like mega-Zard Y and Volcarona and can also set up stealth rocks which your team otherwise lacks.

3. Replace Ice Body on Avalugg with Sturdy, and replace hail with either Roar or Mirror Coat. You'd think Ice teams could benefit more from their weather condition, but ultimately all its really good for is breaking sashes.

4. Find some speed. Your entire team falls under 85 base speed with no scarves. You'll be swept by any fast Pokemon with STAB steel, rock, fire, or fighting moves (Charizard-Y, Terrakion, Keldeo, Mega-Medicham, Mega-Gallade, Heracross, Infernape, Jirachi, etc.)

This would require some reworking for your team, but you need some speed control. Some options include...
- Life Orb/Sash Weavile
- Scarf Mamoswine
- T-wave Froslass
- scarf Kyurem-B

Other than that, best of luck :)

 

[Número13]

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Hey there, cool team. I have a couple suggestions.

1. I reccomend using specs Lapras over Glaceon; due to its far better coverage in Surf and Freeze Dry. it has steel neutrality, and the Water STAB that threatens steel types that HP fire don't touch like Heatran. Glaceon just doesn't offer much of anything to ice teams, sadly.

2. If you're looking for a specially defensive mon to replace Lapras, try eviolite Piloswine. It beats threats like mega-Zard Y and Volcarona and can also set up stealth rocks which your team otherwise lacks.

3. Replace Ice Body on Avalugg with Sturdy, and replace hail with either Roar or Mirror Coat. You'd think Ice teams could benefit more from their weather condition, but ultimately all its really good for is breaking sashes.

4. Find some speed. Your entire team falls under 85 base speed with no scarves. You'll be swept by any fast Pokemon with STAB steel, rock, fire, or fighting moves (Charizard-Y, Terrakion, Keldeo, Mega-Medicham, Mega-Gallade, Heracross, Infernape, Jirachi, etc.)

This would require some reworking for your team, but you need some speed control. Some options include...
- Life Orb/Sash Weavile
- Scarf Mamoswine
- T-wave Froslass
- scarf Kyurem-B

Other than that, best of luck :)

I know that the speed isn't the best of this team, but ice pokemon that I have been watcng don't stand by their speed. I have in the box a Weavile and a Cryogonal. My problem is that I want to mantain Glaceon in the team. About the eviolite Piloswine, I will try it, so can you tell me a good strategy for him?

Weavile
Jolly nature @ Focus Sash Ability Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Knock Off
- Brick Break

Cryogonal
Timid natue @ Light Clay Ability Levitation
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpAtk / 252 Spe
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Recover
- Freeze-Dry

 

[Tyke]

I know that the speed isn't the best of this team, but ice pokemon that I have been watcng don't stand by their speed. I have in the box a Weavile and a Cryogonal. My problem is that I want to mantain Glaceon in the team. About the eviolite Piloswine, I will try it, so can you tell me a good strategy for him?

Weavile
Jolly nature @ Focus Sash Ability Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Pursuit
- Ice Shard
- Knock Off
- Brick Break

Cryogonal
Timid natue @ Light Clay Ability Levitation
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpAtk / 252 Spe
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Recover
- Freeze-Dry

Piloswine @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 176 HP / 92 Atk / 240 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard / Icicle Spear

That'll let you check Mega-Zard, set up rocks in almost any MU, and just put in work against fire in general.

Most ice types aren't that fast, but Weavile is. As is Froslass. I'll leave my suggestions at that, and suggest you test your team against other players either on the Monotype ladder or in tournaments. If you find that speed isn't a problem, then so be it; but IMO there's just too many threats you can't check defensively.

 

[Número13]

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Piloswine @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 176 HP / 92 Atk / 240 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard / Icicle Spear

That'll let you check Mega-Zard, set up rocks in almost any MU, and just put in work against fire in general.

Most ice types aren't that fast, but Weavile is. As is Froslass. I'll leave my suggestions at that, and suggest you test your team against other players either on the Monotype ladder or in tournaments. If you find that speed isn't a problem, then so be it; but IMO there's just too many threats you can't check defensively.

What is the best change to enter Weavile in the team? I have thought in change Glaceon for Piloswine and Lapras for Weavile. After the changes the team would be: M-Abomasnow, Mamoswine, Weavile, Rotom-F, Avalugg, Piloswine. But with this changes I lose psychic and electric type attacks because Freeze-Dry do the function of a electric attack. I lose the fire attack too and I have again the problem of defeat steel pokemon like Scizor or Ferrothorn. At least I play in 3DS so the battles usually are in OU tier and the most of the rivals uses a lot of legendaries and it's difficult to test the team with a balanced team without 6 UBERs.

 

[Poison Heart]

I think that MegaAbomasnow is the best ice mega because in my opinion MegaGlalie is worse than him.

Cast iron logic we've got there.

Your team has just about zero answers to the types that commonly plague MonoIce (namely Steel, Fighting, and Fire). You have zero switchins to mixed Infernape, and once Lapras is sufficiently weakened it flat out 6-0s you. Your entire team is weak to Fighting, 5/6ths to Steel, and 4/6th's to Fire. This is of course going to be an inherent problem with MonoIce but you seem to be taking no precautions to stop powerful sweepers like Infernape, Terrakion, Lucario, Mega Medicham/Lopunny, etc. You're relying on powerful wallbreakers like Glaceon, Mamoswine, and Mega Abomasnow, but you have almost no Speed to speak of, so basically any team that isn't a Stall team isn't going to have much trouble breaking you, and if you're using stall in monotype you're doing it wrong.

I would recommend dropping Glaceon for Weavile first of all. Weavile is fantastic at breaking down both stall and offensive teams thanks to its blazing Speed, good Attack, and great STABs in Icicle Crash and Knock Off, as well as priority in Ice Shard and coverage in Low Kick.

Second thing I would do is change Rotom-F's set to a Scarf set. This gives you a surprisingly reliable offensive pivot who isn't completely deadweight against stall and balance thanks to Trick.

Lastly I'd try to fit Frosslass onto your team. Not only does it give you an immunity to Fighting, which currently has little trouble sweeping you, but also adds useful utility in Spikes, Taunt, Destiny Bond, Thunder Wave, etc. The thing is I'm not really sure what to drop for it. You could drop Mamoswine but he's pretty much your best bet vs MonoSteel teams. Maybe you could try dropping Rotom-F entirely in favor of Frosslass.

Sets:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly - Pressure
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 Defence
-Knock Off
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Low Kick

Rotom-F @ Choice Scarf
Timid - Levitate
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Sp. Def
-Blizzard
-Volt Switch
-Trick
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Hidden Power (Ground)/Thunderbolt

Frosslass @ Focus Sash
Timid - Cursed Body
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Defence
-Spikes
-Taunt
-Destiny Bond / Thunder Wave
-Ice Beam / Shadow Ball

The 4th move on Rotom-F should be tailored to what you want to cover the most. HP Fire does quite a bit of damage to Ferrothorn, Scizor, etc, while Ground nukes Heatran and Magnezone while scoring a decent hit on some other Steel type threats. Thunderbolt is for breaking down bulky Waters easier, in situations where Volt Switch might not be enough.

 

[Número13]

Cast iron logic we've got there.

Your team has just about zero answers to the types that commonly plague MonoIce (namely Steel, Fighting, and Fire). You have zero switchins to mixed Infernape, and once Lapras is sufficiently weakened it flat out 6-0s you. Your entire team is weak to Fighting, 5/6ths to Steel, and 4/6th's to Fire. This is of course going to be an inherent problem with MonoIce but you seem to be taking no precautions to stop powerful sweepers like Infernape, Terrakion, Lucario, Mega Medicham/Lopunny, etc. You're relying on powerful wallbreakers like Glaceon, Mamoswine, and Mega Abomasnow, but you have almost no Speed to speak of, so basically any team that isn't a Stall team isn't going to have much trouble breaking you, and if you're using stall in monotype you're doing it wrong.

I would recommend dropping Glaceon for Weavile first of all. Weavile is fantastic at breaking down both stall and offensive teams thanks to its blazing Speed, good Attack, and great STABs in Icicle Crash and Knock Off, as well as priority in Ice Shard and coverage in Low Kick.

Second thing I would do is change Rotom-F's set to a Scarf set. This gives you a surprisingly reliable offensive pivot who isn't completely deadweight against stall and balance thanks to Trick.

Lastly I'd try to fit Frosslass onto your team. Not only does it give you an immunity to Fighting, which currently has little trouble sweeping you, but also adds useful utility in Spikes, Taunt, Destiny Bond, Thunder Wave, etc. The thing is I'm not really sure what to drop for it. You could drop Mamoswine but he's pretty much your best bet vs MonoSteel teams. Maybe you could try dropping Rotom-F entirely in favor of Frosslass.

Sets:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly - Pressure
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 Defence
-Knock Off
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Low Kick

Rotom-F @ Choice Scarf
Timid - Levitate
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Sp. Def
-Blizzard
-Volt Switch
-Trick
-Hidden Power (Fire)/Hidden Power (Ground)/Thunderbolt

Frosslass @ Focus Sash
Timid - Cursed Body
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Defence
-Spikes
-Taunt
-Destiny Bond / Thunder Wave
-Ice Beam / Shadow Ball

The 4th move on Rotom-F should be tailored to what you want to cover the most. HP Fire does quite a bit of damage to Ferrothorn, Scizor, etc, while Ground nukes Heatran and Magnezone while scoring a decent hit on some other Steel type threats. Thunderbolt is for breaking down bulky Waters easier, in situations where Volt Switch might not be enough.

First of all thanks for your comment, I'll think in your suggestions, but I'm not agree with some things. Obviously the team is weak to Fire, Steel and Fighting because that are the ice weaknesses. I should stand out that the team isn't thought to battle in Monotype tier, I want to battle against multiteams. Finally I've decided change Glaceon for Weavile, because Glaceon don't do the job that I want. Secondly I want to mantain Rotom's set at least some days more because I haven't tested it enought. About Frosslas, I've decided not set her in the team for now because that would mean remove Lapras and Lapras is essential for the team because covers M-Abomsnow of fire. I want to try the Eviolite Piloswine that recomended me the other member and the team stay like that: M-Abomasnow, Piloswine, Rotom-F, Lapras, Avalugg, Weavile. I would like your oppinion about it.