If I see that THING one more time. (RMT) 8/20/09

Intro:

Hello, My name is bidbip and furthermore this will be my second OU team I have post here. Out of all my OU team I have this was my second best team I made so far. The Pokemons themselves is rather lame however it their teamwork that shine. I made this team about 4-5 weeks ago when it was very fun to use, however lately the team has been failing me so I am here to get it check up. I am willing to listen to all advise and I hope we will get along. Also Please rate the team. Last time I post a RMT Only few people replied to me. Anyway, here it is.


At a glance:
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The Team:
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Leviathan (Swampert)
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Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/216 Def/52 SAtk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)

- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Stealth Rock
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Description: I wanted something that could set up Stealth Rock 90% of the time. At the same time be able to kill other lead shut as Metagross and Bronzong who are very common as a lead. I also wanted something that could hit anything hard at the start of the game after Stealth Rock is set up. So, I thought Swampert would be efficient to do all the tasks I expected it to do. While being a mix Attacker its allow him to have an ability to hit all Pokemons Specially and Physically. This set has much more of an advantage than all his other set. Namely one, hitting his fellow ground Pokemons harder and better.

EV: I went with the Smogon's EV set for a reason. One, It give Swampert bulk and power to take a hit then respond back with a hit. Two, Giving him a way to kill Salamence without being Killed. 52 ev in Special Attack to boost Swampert's Special Attack to 219 giving him a high chance of OHKOing a Salamence. I threw in 252 hp/216 def ev for more bulk and to be able to take a +1 Outrage.

Moveset:
Earthquake: I pick Earthquake as his main STAB physical attack. I choose this over Earth Power because I need a strong physical attack that can kill Pokemons that have high Special Defense like Blissey, Vappy, and all the water Pokemons.

Ice Beam: I pick Ice Beam to kill Salamence and other dragons that not name Latias. I choose this over Ice Punch because since most pokemon are Physically Defensive and Ice Beam have more power coming out of it than Ice Punch.

Surf: I pick Surf as his main STAB special attack. I choose this over Waterfall because Surf can, One, hit all his fellow ground poke harder and, two, hit everything that can resists Earthquake. On top of that, Surf have more power than waterfall helping him kill some Pokemon that I could not kill with Waterfall.
Stealth Rock: I pick Stealth Rock because it can make some 2HKO into OHKO making it a VERY handy move. I choose this over everything else because my team doesn't have a Stealth Rock set upper.

Synergy: All grass attack go to Scizor, Heatran, Celebi, Salamence. Depending on the pokemon.

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Bicho Metálico (Scizor) (
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Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit
- Bullet Punch
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Description: Now I look back, I remember using a Scizor on all of my teams all the way back to GSC. I'm quite happy about the fact Scizor is very popular as a physical attacker but at the same time I'm a little abit sad about the fact I see it every single team and it STILL not uber. God damnit move up already. I hate going against my favorite pokemon and losing to it 2-0. Anyway, I wanted something that have ALOT of power and a Priority move to clean up later in the game. With everyone who using scizor and on top of that it my favorite pokemon. How could NOT resist using him?

EV: Again the EV are rather lame and came directly out of the Smogon's Databook. The reason being is because it is correct and that how you would use it in the first place. Maximum Attack EV give him more power and put his attack in the 500's. To be exact 591. With Technician his Bullet punch become 60 Base power then add in STAB which boost it to 90 his priority move one the the most dangerous one out there. The HP EV was for more Bulk and 8 speed ev to outrun some poke that in the same speed tier.

Moveset:
U-turn: Mainly for Scouting what will come in when I use Scizor and a way to take a chuck out of Latias and Celebi. I choose this over X scissor Because coming back in when they swap in the Scizor's counter is alway handy. On top of being able to scout and hit pokemons it also one of my STAB moves.

SuperPower: This is what those
overzealous Maggy and Heatran eat when they swap into Scizor. While it mainly for Maggy and Heatran it can also be used against Blissey and take her out right off the back. I choose this over Brick Break because this is a Choice set. I will swap him out right after I use it.

Pursuit: This is what Gengar, Latais, Celebi, and anything that tried to run away from me.If he doesn't get out he will eat a 60 Base power attack, but if he does swap out he will get smash in the face with a 80 base power attack. I choose this over Night Slash because hitting the poke while it run away is a great thing. And killing it as he tried to get out is a A+.

Bullet Punch: The star moves. With a Base power of a SHOCKING number 90 with his 591 Attack power making it a very frightening move. To make it sound even scarier it had a +1 Priority. Anything that does not Resist Steel type moves will be killed one to two HKO.

Synergy: All fire moves goes to Heatran, Swampert, Salamence, Porygon2.

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Internet Duck (Porygon2) @ Leftovers (
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Ability: Trace
EVs: 164 HP/216 Def/70 SAtk/60 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Toxic
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Description: Welcome to my multi-tasking pokemon no... my glue of the team. Whoever created this thing I will take my hat off for you. You created a OU threat list killer. This bad boy is my main ou threat killer. He shock Gyarados with Discharge which normally OHKO after SR damage. As for a DD salamence I swap in as he DD then freeze him to hell. Mix Mence is much harder to counter seeing he have Draco Meteor which do about ~70%. Toxic is for anything I can't kill in 2 Hits. and recover is to recuperate his lost HP.

EV: Never seen this ev, eh. Well, Me neither. 216 Defense ev and 164 HP ev help take a blast from any +1 neutral damage without fainting. Hell, He could take 2 +1 waterfall without fainting. 70 ev in Special Attack for more power and 60 ev Special Defense to take a few blow on the special side.

Moveset:
Discharge:Discharge is my answer to all Gyarados and water pokemon. With it 30% chance of paralyzing any pokemon that not a electric pokemon. With Ice Beam he can hit almost every pokemon for neutral damage.

Ice Beam: Ice Beam is my answer to all salamence and everything that resist Discharge. (Ground) It have a near perfect coverage with Discharge making it a A+ move for me. Seeing there no other Ice moves learn by Porygon2 I just choose this move. Over all the other moves he had.

Recover: This is self explanatory .

Toxic: I choose toxic over Thunder Wave because I already have Discharge which have a 30% chance of paralyzing. I also pick toxic over T wave so I have a way of killing Bissey and other special Wall.

Synergy: All fighting move go to celebi, Swampert,Scizor, or Salamence.


Fun fact:
This Porygon2 sweep a uber team. He sweep a uber team with out losing a single HP. One word Trace + WonderGuard= EPIC.


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Sennin (Celebi) @ Leftovers(
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Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Leech Seed
- Recov
- Grass Knot/ Energy Ball
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Description: Ok, This is the one I may need the help the most. Right now I'm debating if I should use this set or use the wish set. Seeing my team have no real way to recover and a Stall team could try to stall me(I have never been stall). At the same time two of my poke can rape most stall team {Salamence and Scizor}. Anyway, So far this thing haven't fail me completely. His best friend love taking all fire attack and blow it back at them (Heatran) and this thing love Ground move and kill all the evil ground pokemon.

EV: 32 ev in speed allow it to outrun all base 60 speed pokemon that not running Scarf. 252 ev in HP give it more bulk on both side of the
spectrum. 224 EV in defense give it more defense on the physical side.

Moveset:
Leech Seed:
I choose this moves over Reflect and Light Screen because I wanted to annoy my opponent and keep them swapping Pokemon. This is another way to kill blissey that like to heal bell.

Heal Bell:
I also wanted a way to cure my pokemon that affected by status and keep them fresh so they can come back at full speed or Full power.

Grass Knot/Energy Ball: I wanted a STAB move that can kill all of Heatran counter.Yet, I want a stable attacking power,but a power attack to kill Hippo and other heavy class pokemon.

Recover: This is Self- Explanatory.

Synergy : All fire attack go to Heatran,Salamence,Swampert.
All bug move goes to
Heatran,Salamence,Swampert,Scizor
All Ghost move goes to
Heatran,Salamence,Swampert,Scizor,Porygon2
All Dark Moves goes to
Heatran,Salamence,Swampert,Scizor,Porygon2

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Fucanglong (Heatran) (M) @ Choice Scarf (
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Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk/ 4 HP
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Ice]/Dragon Pulse
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Description: This is my revenge killer. He also my trick absorber. This thing is a fucking beast. If he can swap into a choice user or a trick user I can normally get one kill or at least put that pokemon into critical zone. This could my my second most important pokemon behind salamence who is my main Stall/Wall breaker. Hell, He more like my back up after all his counter and Super bulky special wall are out of the game.

EV: The EV set is quite boring and lame. 252 Sp attack to do the maxumum damage and 252 speed to outrun almost every pokemon not name Ninjask and scarf user.

Moveset:
Earth Power: This is what kills other Heatran and other pokemon that resist Fire but not ground. The reason why I didn't used WoW because I will be weak to other Heatran running Earth Power. Since this is the scarf version It better to have a Wide various of move to kill many differ pokemon.

Explosion: This is my answer to all Blissey and when I'm low at HP. This will and normally kill me and the Opponent with ease making the game "5-5".

Fire Blast: My main Stab attack. This move can kill almost everything or put it in to danger zone. With Earth Power/Dragon Pulse he can hit almost everything in OU tier for neutral damage.

Dragon Pulse: With Dragon pulse he can hit every single Dragon pokemon and 2HKO them that not name Latias. I choose this move Over hp ice because it had more power coming out of it and I hardly uses HP[ice].

Synergy: All Ground type move goes to Celebi,Salamence,Swampert,and Scizor
All Fighting move goes to Celebi,Salamence,Swampert,and Scizor.

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Shenlong (Salamence) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 84 Atk/208 Spd/216 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Outrage
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Description: Salamence is my last pokemon and he also my "clean up" pokemon. When all pokemon are wounded and have low HP and all his main Counter are out of the way he will kill all the leftover pokemon. In a way you could say he the star of the team as he normally kills 2-3 pokemon per game.I have to say he is the BEAST. No, He is a MONSTER when it come down to how many pokemon he can kill.

EV: Well, This ev come right out of the Smogon's databook. So here is smogon's Information. "The EVs are specifically designed to combat a few of Salamence's most common switch-ins. The given EVs allow Salamence to KO 252 HP / 252 Def Bold Cresselia on average with Stealth Rock damage by a combination of Draco Meteor on the switch-in and then two repeated Outrages. The Attack EVs also guarantee that Outrage 2HKOes the most defensive of Bold Blissey with Stealth Rock. 208 Speed EVs assure that Salamence outruns all Gyarados prior to a Dragon Dance. Mild is chosen over Rash so that Cresselia's or Blissey's weaker Ice Beams do not KO."
-Smogon

Moveset:
Draco Meteor: Is to kill all pokemon that not specially defensive or steel pokemon. On top of being Over power and have STAB anything thing that not name Blissey or Vappy will be 1-2 HKO.


Flamethrower: Flamethower is for all pokemon that are steel and have low Sp. Def. Naming one would be Scizor. It have great Coverage with Dragon moves.

Earthquake: Earthquake is for all pokemon that low on physical def. To name one would be Jirachi. It also much better to use than Flamethower because his Attack isnt lower after using Draco Meteor.

Outrage: Is to kill all pokemon that not physically defensive. Same with Draco Meteor it is Overpower and deadly to all pokemon that don't resist it or physically bulky.

Synergy: All ice moves goes to Swampert, Scizor ,Heatran ,Porygon2.
All Dragon moves goes to Heatran and Scizor.

I will get the threat list done Shortly.

Rate,Steal,Hate.

Rate it.



~bidbip





 
Hi again,

before going into the team I'd like to say 2 things:

- I think that you're not allowed to post 2 rmt in 3 days or so;

- recover or roost on Latias make absolutely no difference: Latias is not a flying type so she doesn't become vulnerable to ground moves when roosting.

That being said, this team seems pretty good on the paper, but I see some potential problems:

1) you're quite weak to Latias, both calm mind and specs variant. With Metagross gone she's free to spam dragon pulses which will 1-2hko every memeber of your team, and Rotom will not even ohko with shadow ball most of the times. Honestly I don't like Forretress on this team, you're not going to stall, so it seems a dead weight to me. Other than that, you don't really need a spinner, with no SR weaknesses. I'd suggest to use a standard CB Scizor here:

Scizor@choice band
nature: adamant
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
-bullet punch
-pursuit
-u-turn
-superpower

Scizor can eliminate Latias with the combination of BP and pursuit, and can trap and kill scarf-Gengar or opposing scarf-Rotom locked into shadow ball.
Note that you seem to rely a lot on your own Rotom, which, like all scarfed ghosts is easy pursuit bait, Scizor would also be a second revege killer, just in case you should lose Rotom.

2) As you already realized, Swampert EVs/moveset seem quite random: I'd advise to use the standard mix-Pert here. So:

Swampert@leftovers
nature: relaxed
EVs: 236 HP / 216 Def / 56 SpA
-earthquake
-hydro pump
-ice beam
-roar

ice beam still ohkos Salamence\Dragonite, hydro pump does over 80% to Hippowdon and Gliscor, roar prevents things like Kingdra from setting up on you.

3) Latias always wants max Spe, it's preferable to tie with other Latias and Gengar rather than being always revenge killed by them, and anyway the defensive EVs aren't helping you much.

4) Lead Metagross needs bullet punch, otherwise you'll always lose against oppoisng focus sash leads. Replace earthquake: since you're using shuca berry, you can't risk to stay in on Heatran and Infernape anyway.

GL!
 
Hi again,

before going into the team I'd like to say 2 things:

- I think that you're not allowed to post 2 rmt in 3 days or so;

- recover or roost on Latias make absolutely no difference: Latias is not a flying type so she doesn't become vulnerable to ground moves when roosting.

That being said, this team seems pretty good on the paper, but I see some potential problems:

1) you're quite weak to Latias, both calm mind and specs variant. With Metagross gone she's free to spam dragon pulses which will 1-2hko every memeber of your team, and Rotom will not even ohko with shadow ball most of the times. Honestly I don't like Forretress on this team, you're not going to stall, so it seems a dead weight to me. Other than that, you don't really need a spinner, with no SR weaknesses. I'd suggest to use a standard CB Scizor here:

Scizor@choice band
nature: adamant
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
-bullet punch
-pursuit
-u-turn
-superpower

Scizor can eliminate Latias with the combination of BP and pursuit, and can trap and kill scarf-Gengar or opposing scarf-Rotom locked into shadow ball.
Note that you seem to rely a lot on your own Rotom, which, like all scarfed ghosts is easy pursuit bait, Scizor would also be a second revege killer, just in case you should lose Rotom.

2) As you already realized, Swampert EVs/moveset seem quite random: I'd advise to use the standard mix-Pert here. So:

Swampert@leftovers
nature: relaxed
EVs: 236 HP / 216 Def / 56 SpA
-earthquake
-hydro pump
-ice beam
-roar

ice beam still ohkos Salamence\Dragonite, hydro pump does over 80% to Hippowdon and Gliscor, roar prevents things like Kingdra from setting up on you.

3) Latias always wants max Spe, it's preferable to tie with other Latias and Gengar rather than being always revenge killed by them, and anyway the defensive EVs aren't helping you much.

4) Lead Metagross needs bullet punch, otherwise you'll always lose against oppoisng focus sash leads. Replace earthquake: since you're using shuca berry, you can't risk to stay in on Heatran and Infernape anyway.

GL!


True That latias can hurt my team but she is also very easy to kill. Maybe against skill player I may have a hard time but all I really have to do it let one of my poke take in the D Meteor preferable One of my steel poke and then blow up in her face which normally OHKO her.

For my lead metagross that a great idea to replace EQ for bullet punch to kill some faster poke with ease (alzelf, areo, and some other weaken poke.)

Thank you for the swarpert's set but I need Brick break after getting my ass handed to me by a dual screen team. So I'm going to use this set to have brick break or I may use your scizor and have brick break over superpower, And use your swarpert's set.

Swampert@leftovers
nature: relaxed
EVs: 236 HP / 216 Def / 56 attack
-Ice punch/Ice beam
-water fall
-Brick break
-roar
 
Latias doesn't even need to use draco meteor, with specs equipped dragon pulse already 1-2hkos every member of your team, included Forretress - which takes 42.37% - 49.72% from a specs'd dragon pulse - and, by the way, can only explode on her. Metagross, being your lead, will be usually weakened enough to be 2hko'd as well. Not to mention that lacking a pursuiter, your opponent can easily switch her out and proceed to sweep later. Definitely try Scizor.

And yes, if you fear double screeners that much, simply use brick break on Scizor, and use the standard mix-Pert I suggested.

Have a nice day.
 
Rofl nice job sweeping an ubers team with porygon-2. reminds me of the time they encored curse on my mamo, and got overzealous with darkrai nasty plotting. i came out with max def and max attack and min speed and immediately swept with ice shard. rofl. even a defensive mewtwo was OHKO'd. anyways, team rate.

well. actually i do not see much wrong with it. That said, ive just started rating teams.... hmm. I can see some problems arising with Scarfed Heracross, as he can easily take out Tran/Mence/Porygon2/Celebi. Swampert and Scizor do provide good counters, but will be worn down from repeated switches. Honestly though, i haven't a clue what to do about him... each of your pokemon can switch into an attack of his, but it could be really threatening still. Only thing i can think of is Aerial Ace on scizor, but its such a waste of a slot when you have things like bulletpunch/uturn/pursuit. and superpower is great too.

well.... thats about the best i can do. as i said somewhat new. maybe my bump will help you though lulz.
 
Rofl nice job sweeping an ubers team with porygon-2. reminds me of the time they encored curse on my mamo, and got overzealous with darkrai nasty plotting. i came out with max def and max attack and min speed and immediately swept with ice shard. rofl. even a defensive mewtwo was OHKO'd. anyways, team rate.

well. actually i do not see much wrong with it. That said, ive just started rating teams.... hmm. I can see some problems arising with Scarfed Heracross, as he can easily take out Tran/Mence/Porygon2/Celebi. Swampert and Scizor do provide good counters, but will be worn down from repeated switches. Honestly though, i haven't a clue what to do about him... each of your pokemon can switch into an attack of his, but it could be really threatening still. Only thing i can think of is Aerial Ace on scizor, but its such a waste of a slot when you have things like bulletpunch/uturn/pursuit. and superpower is great too.

well.... thats about the best i can do. as i said somewhat new. maybe my bump will help you though lulz.

Hera is indeed annoying but a scarf one are very rare to see. Well, In my case. I normally play around with it then go for the kill. Heatran, If he lock on Megahorn/Stone Egde/Purist. Celebi, if he used Close combat. Once you get his play style he easy to kill. With SR up he will be limit to what he can do. 12% + Whatever I used on him.
 
You may have made a new RMT, this thread is over one month old. Anyway, just pm me the new title and I'll change it for you. Note that I'm not locking this just because you have completely revamped your team.

Edit: thread title changed.
 
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