Illusion FTW

[kmuffinman]

Basically, my team's name is just because of my lead, nothing much to say. Been building it for quite a while, ironed out the weaknesses so please help me give constructive comments.

Team Building Process

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So this was my original team, doing pretty well, but it still had some problems. Firstly, I had no fire-type moves nor water-type moves after Zoroark, who was a suicide lead. Also, 3 of my pokes were weak to fire-type moves. Thus, I changed Lucario to Vaporeon.

But I still lacked fire-type moves. So I changed Vaporeon to a Togekiss with HPW and Flamethrower

Then, I realised Ferrothorn and Dusclops(Eviolite of course) were doing nothing for my team. Even with their good defenses, they were mainly filler. Thus, I got rid of them and reformatted my team.

As you can see, I got back my Vaporeon, put in a Heatran for the fire problem and Rotom-S as my annoyer

Based on the RMT, I changed Rotom-S to Gliscor

The Pokemon:

Zoroark (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Illusion
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Hasty Nature (+Spe, -Def)
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
- Sucker Punch
This Pokemon is my lead 100% of the time. He is the perfect suicide lead, KO-ing the opposing lead 85% of the time and doing some damage to the second pokemon before being KO-ed itself. Previously he made great use of my Dusclops where the opponent's Shadow Ball only did 40% damage, allowing me to easily KO it. Now with Rotom-S, Ice Beam can't OHKO me, and most people try to set up on Zoroark. The only lead I can't seem to beat is a Stealth-Rock + Stone Edge Aerodactyl, who is way faster than me. A quick run through; Grass Knot is for Tyranitar, Hippowdon, Swampert etc, Flamethrower is for Steel types attempting to set up, Sucker Punch for STAB, defensive walls and for priority and Dark Pulse is for standard STAB.

Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Defense
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- ThunderPunch
- Ice Punch
My first physical sweeper. Bullet Punch is my team's only priority plus STAB, Earthquake is a must have on a Metagross for fire-types, Ice Punch is for Dragons who would try to Fire Punch me, and Thunder Punch is for any water types who would otherwise wall me. Initially went for the Choice Band set but soon realised Choice Scarf allowed it to outspeed and KO many threats. This set ensures maximum coverage.

Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power [Grass]
My first special sweeper, and probably the only standard set poke in my team. Standard Choice Scarf set, I choose Flamethrower over Fire Blast as I prefered the accuracy. Other moves are self-explanatory. Dragon Pulse comes in very useful for Dragons. Plus, once I know the opponent has a Heatran, and he likes switching, I bring out Heatran on his Ferrothorn, then Earth Power his Heatran switch-in for a OHKO. He makes a great Fire-Absorber, and with Choice Scarf he is afraid of almost nothing.

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 68 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Wish
- Heal Bell
My special wall/cleric. Scald for the burn and STAB. Ice Beam is for Dragons. Wish but no Protect? Well, thats because I usually use Wish to heal other pokes, or when there is a poke that can't do any damage to me. Heal Bell is a must have, as status conditions really bog my team down. I try as best as I can to keep him alive until late game, so that he can constantly heal my other pokes. Without him, my Special Sweepers are crippled. The EVs are weird, I know, but this allows Vaporeon to have exactly 300 Sp.Attk

Haxorus (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Rivalry
EVs: 255 Atk / 255 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dual Chop
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
Haxorus, my most powerful pokemon. Dragon Dance first, then with boosted stats go for the late-game sweep. Dragon Claw over Outrage as I don't want to get locked in after a DDance and have to switch once I get confused. Dual Chop comes in handy for Multiscale Dragonites and Substitutes, Earthquake for Steel types who resist my other moves. Thanks to Shining Latios for this one.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Trait: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-Turn
- Taunt
- Toxic/Ice Fang
My physical wall. Can't say much about him just yet since he was just added(Thanks to ScarfWynaut). Earthquake for Excadrill and STAB, U-Turn is to do a quick switch-out in case of trouble, Taunt is for Stall teams. I'm currently deciding between Taunt, Toxic and Ice Fang. Taunt can help in Stall, Toxic can spread status around while Ice Fang allows me to counter Landorus and Terrakion.

Team Synergy
First I come in with Zoroark, kill off a pokemon or two, then go for a sweep with Metagross or Heatran depending on the opponent's pokemon. Once my team is battered slightly or has a status problem/faces a tank, I bring in Vaporeon. He's not afraid of status with Heal Bell, and can Wish-heal my pokes. Gliscor for physical threats. Finally, Haxorus goes in for the kill.

Threats
Aerodactyl - This guy is irritating as a lead. It usually Stealth-Rock/Taunts my Zoroark, then once I HPW it it Stone Edges me
Haxorus - Hmm, can be taken care of with Metagross, but should I change my EVs on my Haxorus so that he gets Max speed to outspeed other Haxorus?
Hydreigon - Another problematic lead, as it can U-Turn OHKO Zoroark, and Zoroark has poor coverage against it. Usually can be taken down by Vaporeon otherwise.
Volcarona - had problems with a ChestoRest Quiver Dance version, but I soon realised Haxorus can cover it pretty well
Ditto- Yes! This little guy is a threat. With Quick Powder he always goes first, can can defeat Heatran, Metagross and Haxorus. Especially Haxorus in the middle
of an outrage, he can't switch out and Ditto can OHKO it with Outrage
SkarmBliss - This set is very hard to wear down. Since I don't have a mixed attacker, they can keep switching around all day. Any suggestions?
Politoed - Zoroark can't even 2HKO it with Dark Pulse, it is very hard to defeat. Rotom-S maybe, but if the Politoed packs an Ice Beam...
Genesect- U-Turn was once a huge threat to my Zoroark, which was what they would usually do upon seeing a Dusclops, but with Rotom-S they Ice Beam it, which can't OHKO me, then I flamethrower it for the OHKO
Ninjask- Seriously, this guy is irritating. Subbing so much I until Life Orb takes it toll, I wan't to kill it some times. However, I soon realised a Dual Chop from Haxorus could take care of it.

So basically thats my team. I don't mind making changes to my Pokemon, even multiple changes, but of course they have to be in reason.

 

[Shining_Latios]

Why are you putting 255 for EVs? They make no difference than 252; a waste of 3 EVs.

For Zoroark use: 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
For Metagross use: 4 Defense / 252 Attack / 252 Speed

On Haxorus, I suggest running Dragon Dance instead.

Haxorus @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Jolly Nature
Moves:
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide / Brick Break

This gives you a much better chance of sweeping since you don't have to locked onto a move. Also, you mentioned you want to sweep with your choiced Pokemon. But to be honest, you shouldn't be aiming for a sweep with them because choiced Pokemon are usually used for Revenge Killing, but if you're comfortable using them like that, than okay. Since you already have a scarfed Pokemon, possibly change Heatran to SpecsTran. You lose speed but you are able to do some massive damage.

Heatran @ Choice Specs
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Special Attack / 216 Speed
Modest Nature
Moves:
- Overheat
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Dragon Pulse

Modest over Timid for the most damage possibly. Overheat instead of Fire Blast because of the huge damage it does. It provides STAB and even though your Special Attack is lowered by two stages, you should be switching anyways since they will likely bring out a counter. Earth Power provides nice coverage. Hidden Power [Grass] is mainly for Quagsire who is getting very popular this generation, but feel free to change it Hidden Power [Ice] if Dragons are giving you troubles.

On Vaporeon you're using it as a special sweeper, but you really should use it as a wall instead.

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Defense / 34 Special Defense
Bold Nature
Moves:
- Wish
- Heal Bell
- Scald
- Toxic / Ice Beam

Hope I helped and good luck with the team!

 

[kmuffinman]

Noted, the EV spread is changed accordingly. And just to clarify on the Choice Sweepers, I didn't explain that too clearly, Haxorus and Metagross are the sweepers while Heatran is my revenge-killer, prefer it that way, though Metagross can function as a revenge-killer too.
The Haxorus set seems pretty good, will try it out, but I think I'll keep Dual Chop instead of Rock Slide/Brick Break.
For Heatran I originally used a SpecsTran but I found that it was too slow for my liking. Only tried it for a few matches though, so maybe I'll give it another shot.
The main reason I used Vaporeon as a special sweeper is that I needed the Water-type move. I like that set though, so I think I'll modify it slightly to give Vaporeon some Sp.Attk
Overall, thanks for the rate, really helped!

 

[Shining_Latios]

Noted, the EV spread is changed accordingly. And just to clarify on the Choice Sweepers, I didn't explain that too clearly, Haxorus and Metagross are the sweepers while Heatran is my revenge-killer, prefer it that way, though Metagross can function as a revenge-killer too.
The Haxorus set seems pretty good, will try it out, but I think I'll keep Dual Chop instead of Rock Slide/Brick Break.
For Heatran I originally used a SpecsTran but I found that it was too slow for my liking. Only tried it for a few matches though, so maybe I'll give it another shot.
The main reason I used Vaporeon as a special sweeper is that I needed the Water-type move. I like that set though, so I think I'll modify it slightly to give Vaporeon some Sp.Attk
Overall, thanks for the rate, really helped!

Ah I didn't know that about the choiced Pokemon, excuse me. Glad I helped though.

 

[MC Fatigue]

This isn't a Dream World team, right? Because I don't really understand what leading with Zoroark does for you in standard Wifi. Your opponent will obviously see in Team Preview that your lead is a Zoroark, not a Rotom or whatever.
I've been using the Nasty Plot set for Zoroark lately and it works really well mid- to late game. Because then usually your opponent will not know it's a Zoroark (you can shuffle your team around a bit in Team Preview) and you can get a free Nasty Plot and kill some shit.
I guess it can work as a lead if you change your last Pokemon around and confuse your opponent a little, but I think it's better when when it comes in later.

Zoroark (M) @ Life Orb/Focus Sash Trait: Illusion
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Flamethrower
- Night Daze
- Focus Blast/Grass Knot

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Is this dream world? Genesect is not a threat on a normal team, if it is, I suggest you switch over the title of this thread to say that and possibly switch some pokemon around (as for a dream world team your not abusing any dreamworld abilities), or just play in standard OU.

Also your team has various huge offensive threats, for example, Excadrill can pretty much sweep your whole team with little problem, as with Landorous and Terrakion with the right play. Also Latios and Thundurus will also be bothersome, as your only way of dealing with them is scarf attacks on heatran and metagross, which isn't too reliable, as they can just simply wear you down or you will be foddering a lot of pokemon.

To remidy a few of these problems, switching either metagross or heatran to baloon might help. Also Gliscor or Skarmory might be better than rotom, also perhaps a specially defensive Jirachi over metagross, more experienced raters might be able to make better suggestions though. For now, I will just nitpick some moves.

Hidden power water is pretty useless to be honest, after the sunlight decrese in power, STAB dark pulse is stonger. Instead use nasty plot, as with it you can set on on "leads" and threaten to sweep or atleast to massive damage to most teams. Focus blast might be more useful then grass knot to kill off Blissey.

Use This Metagross Set

Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch
- Trick / Pursuit

First off the evs allow you to outspeed base 115s, the rest goes to attack to hit hard, then some bulk. Meteor mash is good steel stab, you don't need bullet punch if your running a choice scarf set. Earthquake is a good coverage move with earthquake, but hammer arm has merit to kill off pokemon with air balloon. Ice punch is for gliscor. Trick can ruin switch ins that think tney can counter metagross, or pursuit to kill off Latios and Latias fearing ice punch.

Give heatran timid, as without it, you don't have enough speed.

252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD, is the best spread for Vaporeon, the one you have right now is just silly (you ain't sweeping with Vaporeon). If you wish though, you could run 252 HP/ 4 Def / 252 SpD, although is will leave you very physically weak.

If you running adamant Haxorous, then 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe is the best spread, as 220 speed is all thats needed for Dragonite, you lose out on quite a few pokemon with adamant though, I personally would suggest Jolly.

Use This Rotom Set

Rotom-S @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Air Slash
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Hidden Power [Ice]

The speed evs allow you to outspeed adamant breloom, the rest goes to special attack to sweep and HP for bulk. Discharge spreads around status easily, which will help your Haxorous sweep. Air slash is good STAB, and willow-wisp or toxic can spread around alternate status for pokemon that don't care around paralisis. Hidden power ice is specially made for gliscor, which can be a pain for this set.

 

[WuA]

1) please dont use the pictures of the card game, They are over sized and pointless. The game sprites will suffice if you really want to you can idk copy them from another RMT search google will the small image filter on.

2)HP water is so redundent in this current metagame. Yeh maybe it gives coverage in theory but in actually playing it doesnt hit anything useful for 4x effective dmg. Id recomment sucker punch, yes ino its special but frankly i hate the way you're using zoroark, but it needs sucker punch to kill sashed pokes and 10000% of the time when a good player bring in a poke after zoroark kills a poke it will be faster. Zoroark has a nice 105 attack stat so uninvested its still does something with the life orb. Take the 4hp EV's and put them into attack BTW

3) Take the god damn choice items off, 2 choice scarves is so pointless, They will 8/10 often just send in a counter and youll be forced to switch. And you dont want them predicting killing your switch in and you get swept.keep the scarf of metagross, put a Balloon, shuca berry, lefties, even a life orb would be better than the scarf. I guess the banded haxorus is OK but id suggest probably either take of the band and put on DD, or chose between brick break and i guess rock slide is the only other decent move he gets.

4) If you want an offensice cleric use celebi, otherwise take out all the special attack EV's to make him a phsical wall, then if it were me id use this heatran set

heatran w/ lefties (or shuca berry ,balloon is kinda gimmicky imo.)
flash fire(or flame body sounds good in theory but he will be a special wall, ppl will fear the flash fire and will never use a fire move on him until a poke gets flame bodied so idk maybe)
252hp/ 252SpD/ 4def

- lava plume
- earth power
- Roar/ stealth rock
- Stealth rock/ toxic

 

[WuA]

Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch
- Trick / Pursuit

IMO scarf pursuit kinda sucks, youl'l be forced to switch next turn allowing your opponent to get a free set up or sub. Hammer arm seems pointless on a scarfer since metagross has only 70 base speed 1 hammer arm will negate the scarf. Plus EQ is mainly there for coverage and heatran, which EQ hits harder. Thunderpunch is pointless in this metagame so trick is the solid choice there.

 

[Jirachee]

Hey there,

Your team will have a hard time coming on and beating many Rain sweepers. Rotom-W, Starmie, Thundurus, any of those who have access to powerful Electric move will be a pain for your to take down. While Vaporeon may be immune to their Water moves, it is weak to Electric, a very common coverage move to have in rain (or even STAB, like in Rotom-W or Thundurus case). You only have one Electric resist, which is Haxorus, who isn't exactly very specially bulky and can be taken down by common Ice coverage moves or high powered Hydro Pumps. A quick way to patch that weakness would be swapping your Vaporeon for a Gastrodon. Since it is immune to both Water and Electric and it has good special bulk, it is able to easily handle those Rain sweepers who are seriously everywhere in the metagame at the moment. Here's the set you should run :

Gastrodon

@ Leftovers
Calm
Storm Drain
EVs : 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
-Scald
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Recover

Secondly your team isn't really equipped to deal with Excadrill. Everything will die to one or two Earthquakes, bar Rotom, who is weak to Rock Slide. To quickly make up for that problem I suggest changing Rotom's form to Rotom-W, and changing its moveset to Hydro Pump/Pain Split/Thunderbolt/Will-O-Wisp.

Good Luck!

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

IMO scarf pursuit kinda sucks, youl'l be forced to switch next turn allowing your opponent to get a free set up or sub. Hammer arm seems pointless on a scarfer since metagross has only 70 base speed 1 hammer arm will negate the scarf. Plus EQ is mainly there for coverage and heatran, which EQ hits harder. Thunderpunch is pointless in this metagame so trick is the solid choice there.

Thats the set suggested on side actually, if you have a beef with it, I suggest you take it to the metagross thread.

 

[kmuffinman]

Thanks for all the replies, I'll go through them now

This isn't a Dream World team, right? Because I don't really understand what leading with Zoroark does for you in standard Wifi. Your opponent will obviously see in Team Preview that your lead is a Zoroark, not a Rotom or whatever.

Ok sorry for the mix-up, I have changed the title accordingly(ScarfWynaut thank you). Also, I would like to clarify, because of my Zoroark, I play on the PO Server (Dream World), where there is no team preview, so Zoroark still does its job)
Plus, as I explained, I need the move coverage to take out common leads, so while thanks, I don't think that move set will fit me

1) please dont use the pictures of the card game, They are over sized and pointless. The game sprites will suffice if you really want to you can idk copy them from another RMT search google will the small image filter on.

2)HP water is so redundent in this current metagame. Yeh maybe it gives coverage in theory but in actually playing it doesnt hit anything useful for 4x effective dmg. Id recomment sucker punch, yes ino its special but frankly i hate the way you're using zoroark, but it needs sucker punch to kill sashed pokes and 10000% of the time when a good player bring in a poke after zoroark kills a poke it will be faster. Zoroark has a nice 105 attack stat so uninvested its still does something with the life orb. Take the 4hp EV's and put them into attack BTW

3) Take the god damn choice items off, 2 choice scarves is so pointless, They will 8/10 often just send in a counter and youll be forced to switch. And you dont want them predicting killing your switch in and you get swept.keep the scarf of metagross, put a Balloon, shuca berry, lefties, even a life orb would be better than the scarf. I guess the banded haxorus is OK but id suggest probably either take of the band and put on DD, or chose between brick break and i guess rock slide is the only other decent move he gets.

4) If you want an offensice cleric use celebi, otherwise take out all the special attack EV's to make him a phsical wall, then if it were me id use this heatran set

heatran w/ lefties (or shuca berry ,balloon is kinda gimmicky imo.)
flash fire(or flame body sounds good in theory but he will be a special wall, ppl will fear the flash fire and will never use a fire move on him until a poke gets flame bodied so idk maybe)
252hp/ 252SpD/ 4def

- lava plume
- earth power
- Roar/ stealth rock
- Stealth rock/ toxic

Ok, thanks for the rate, but don't have to be so angry about it, sorry if I offended you in anyway(esp for the pics, I changed them)
I see your point about Sucker Punch, but surprisingly this isn't the case when others play against me. Will try it out, since HPW is kind of redundant now that I think of it, usually I just use Grass Knot.
I don't know about you, but playing with the Choice Scarfs is very useful for me. The extra speed has helped me out many times. I understand your view but personally I prefer using Choice Scarfs
The main reason I used Vaporeon was that I needed a good water type move. If I choose Celebi then I won't have any water type moves.
Finally, I don't get the point of Heatran. Why do I need to use him as a Special Wall instead of a Special Sweeper? Please clarify. Thanks again

 

[kmuffinman]

Is this dream world? Genesect is not a threat on a normal team, if it is, I suggest you switch over the title of this thread to say that and possibly switch some pokemon around (as for a dream world team your not abusing any dreamworld abilities), or just play in standard OU.

Also your team has various huge offensive threats, for example, Excadrill can pretty much sweep your whole team with little problem, as with Landorous and Terrakion with the right play. Also Latios and Thundurus will also be bothersome, as your only way of dealing with them is scarf attacks on heatran and metagross, which isn't too reliable, as they can just simply wear you down or you will be foddering a lot of pokemon.

To remidy a few of these problems, switching either metagross or heatran to baloon might help. Also Gliscor or Skarmory might be better than rotom, also perhaps a specially defensive Jirachi over metagross, more experienced raters might be able to make better suggestions though. For now, I will just nitpick some moves.

Hidden power water is pretty useless to be honest, after the sunlight decrese in power, STAB dark pulse is stonger. Instead use nasty plot, as with it you can set on on "leads" and threaten to sweep or atleast to massive damage to most teams. Focus blast might be more useful then grass knot to kill off Blissey.

Use This Metagross Set

Metagross @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake / Hammer Arm
- Ice Punch
- Trick / Pursuit

First off the evs allow you to outspeed base 115s, the rest goes to attack to hit hard, then some bulk. Meteor mash is good steel stab, you don't need bullet punch if your running a choice scarf set. Earthquake is a good coverage move with earthquake, but hammer arm has merit to kill off pokemon with air balloon. Ice punch is for gliscor. Trick can ruin switch ins that think tney can counter metagross, or pursuit to kill off Latios and Latias fearing ice punch.

Give heatran timid, as without it, you don't have enough speed.

252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD, is the best spread for Vaporeon, the one you have right now is just silly (you ain't sweeping with Vaporeon). If you wish though, you could run 252 HP/ 4 Def / 252 SpD, although is will leave you very physically weak.

If you running adamant Haxorous, then 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe is the best spread, as 220 speed is all thats needed for Dragonite, you lose out on quite a few pokemon with adamant though, I personally would suggest Jolly.

Use This Rotom Set

Rotom-S @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Discharge
- Air Slash
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Hidden Power [Ice]

The speed evs allow you to outspeed adamant breloom, the rest goes to special attack to sweep and HP for bulk. Discharge spreads around status easily, which will help your Haxorous sweep. Air slash is good STAB, and willow-wisp or toxic can spread around alternate status for pokemon that don't care around paralisis. Hidden power ice is specially made for gliscor, which can be a pain for this set.

Thanks for the rate, I'll look at changing my Rotom to a Gliscor, but in my opinion Metagross is too valuable to be replaced with Jirachi. Will consider changing HPW to Nasty Plot. Heatran does have enough speed actually, and I need as much SP.Attk as possible since Heatran doesn't have Choice Specs.
I see your point on Vaporeon, it is kind of silly to sweep with it. As with the previous rate, I'll give it a more Specially-Defensive EV spread, but I'll give it some Sp.Attk as well(I really need a good water-type move)

IMO scarf pursuit kinda sucks, youl'l be forced to switch next turn allowing your opponent to get a free set up or sub. Hammer arm seems pointless on a scarfer since metagross has only 70 base speed 1 hammer arm will negate the scarf. Plus EQ is mainly there for coverage and heatran, which EQ hits harder. Thunderpunch is pointless in this metagame so trick is the solid choice there.

Thunderpunch is not pointless, I put it there for a reason; so that water pokemon won't wall me

Yes, I do have problems with rain sweepers. The Gastrodon set seems good, only problem is I need Vaporeon's Heal Bell(Wish not so much). If I can find a replacement Cleric then I will use Gastrodon, but right now, it just can't come in.
Well, the good thing is that I found my Excadrill counter, as stated above; Gliscor. So no need for Rotom-W. Thanks for the rate!

 

[kmuffinman]

Ok, based on the rates, I have changed my team accordingly:
1. Changed HPW on Zoroark to Sucker Punch
2. Changed Vaporeon's EVs
3. Changed Rotom-S to Gliscor
4. Changed Haxorus's move set to DDance
Couldn't fit in Gastrodon as I needed the Heal Bell + Wish support
Any other comments please let me know

 

[BTzz]

Hello. Cool team. I can't add much more to the other rates, but I have a couple of suggestions.

First off, if you really want Wish/Cleric support I recommed using Blissey over Vaporeon. Blissey will help you a bit against rain teams.

I recommend changing Metagross's item to Choice Band. Since you have Bullet Punch, you often won't even need the Scarf speed.

 

[Megamence123]

Hey.

I have one problem with your Zoroark now. This metagame is pretty much all about speed. I recommend that you change its nature to Naive or Hasty. You get a nice speed boost at the cost of a little Sp. Atk. And maybe you should consider giving it a Focus Sash. This guarantees that Zoroark will survive at least one attack, which it needs.

These are just my 2 cents, and good luck!

 

[kmuffinman]

Hello. Cool team. I can't add much more to the other rates, but I have a couple of suggestions.

First off, if you really want Wish/Cleric support I recommed using Blissey over Vaporeon. Blissey will help you a bit against rain teams.

I recommend changing Metagross's item to Choice Band. Since you have Bullet Punch, you often won't even need the Scarf speed.

I see your point about Choice Band, but Choice Scarf is very useful. Originally had Meteor Mash but I have Bullet Punch because of boosted sweepers. Plus, I need the water-type move. I tried playing without a water-type move before and I got walled pretty badly.

Hey.

I have one problem with your Zoroark now. This metagame is pretty much all about speed. I recommend that you change its nature to Naive or Hasty. You get a nice speed boost at the cost of a little Sp. Atk. And maybe you should consider giving it a Focus Sash. This guarantees that Zoroark will survive at least one attack, which it needs.

These are just my 2 cents, and good luck!

Noted, will change the nature to Hasty. Zoroark outspeeds almost all other pokes except Aerodactyl, and the Life Orb boost ensures I get maximum power to kill off other leads