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[Go Mango]

Right, I know I don't post much on here, I have less posts then rednecks have fingers, but I lurk alot. Lurk before posting is the way to go.

So I've been playing on shoddy for a fair while now and I can't really find my style of play, well I couldn't until recently.

I hate playing stall, I have more fun watching a fish trying to catch a baseball (Although that would be funny, it is not a likely senario)

I hate pure hyper offence, I mean the best offence is a good defence, (Stall anyone?) But even in chess you have to attack.

And I don't like setting up that much, I mean OH YEAH it will get you a sweep... But srsly people, you focus your team on setting up a DDgyara and once you lose that you ragequit. Cool story bro.

And Batton passing, well thats pretty funny, but Ninjask is the core of a batton pass team, Gtfo ninjask.

So with all these hatred in mind, I have some up with my own little thingo which I don't know what to call, but it revolves around a mass amount of synergy and switching around to piss people off frankly.

So why am I spending my time writing this junk that you probably wont read?
A: Well I know this team could be better, but I don't know what to change since I changed my lead from Sub+SD Weavile it has improved but I dunno davey. Someone figure out what I need.

At A Glance

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TIME TO GET IN DEEP, BABY.


The Lead of Mammoth proportions.

Mamoswine (Newman) @

Ability: Snow Cloak
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 4 Hp| 252 Atk| 252 Spe
Moves:
~ Stealth Rock
~ Ice Shard
~ Earthquake
~ Endeavor

What the set does: Although this is the general Leadswine, it is just so effective in doing what people want leads to. I am a huge activist in people using leads just to put up stealth rock or Spike/Toxic Spikes, Although it does help you in the game, you lose a pokemon to your team in the cases of Azelf and all other suicide leads, leaving you 5-6, In my opinion a lead pokemon should set up SR or something, but it shouldn't be there for that pure reason. Mamo lead can deal with almost any of the more common leads these days (With the lack of Azelf Running around) The majority of leads people seem to be using are Hetran, Metagross, Flygon and Infernape.
How does Mamoswine deal with these leads.

Hetran, Metagross and Infernape = Earthquake is a OHKO most of the time, even with Shuca Berry (Can someone confirm?) Metagross is OHKO'd if it's not running Shuca. and Infernape is usually fake out lead, so I'll switch to rotom.

Mamoswine is a very good lead, the ability to set up stealth rock, whilst just decimating other leads, and switch in's is amazing, I have taken out 4 switch in's with endeavor before Mamo was taken down.

The Stall Counter turn Sweeper.

Rotom-C (Joe Davola) @

Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
Ev's: 4 Hp| 252 Spe| 252 SpA
Moves:
~ Thunderbolt
~ Shadow Ball
~ Leaf Storm
~ Trick

What this set does: Another generic Smogon Set, but man is this thing amazing. Firstly it's one of the four Synergy Gang. I having 3 pokemon weak to fighting, this thing see's alot of play.
Once switched in, the opponent switches, allowing me to scout to see what pokemon they have (Mainly to see if they're running a Blissy, or any set upper) I usually go with Shadow Ball of the bat just in case they try and send another ghost on me. But this thing has won me so many games it's amazing, once I dish off the Scarf, most people are stuck into something crap, while Rotom becomes a very good sweeper.

I am undecided on weither to use Leaf Storm or Hp Fighting, I have a bit of a Tyranitar Weakness, so Hp Fighting could go well.

The Motor Driver.

Electivire (Cosmo Kramer) @

Ability: Motor Drive
Nature: Mild
Ev's: 32 Atk | 252 SpA| 224 spe
Moves:
~ Thunderbolt
~ Brick Break
~ Hidden Power ice
~ Flamethrower

What this set does: This is the generic Mixvire but I changed something just a tiny bit. I gave it just a little more speed so it can outrun other Electivire with the same usual set.
This is the 2nd pokemon in the Synergy Group, and it goes perfectly with Vaporeon. I can't count how many times I've switched in my Vappy into a Surfing Starmie, then Switch into E-Vire as he uses Thunderbolt, then swept whole teams. I prefer E-Vire then Jolteon mainly because of the coverage that E-vire gets. And I mean 95 base speed isn't THAT bad. I chose Brick Break over Cross Chop purley for Accuracy, I'm thinking of changing it to Earthquake though

Pure Carnage. Period.

Heatran (Kenny Bania) @

Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Timid
Ev's: 184 Hp| 200 Spe| 100 SpA | 24 SpD
Moves:
~ Substitute
~ Toxic
~ Flamethrower
~ Earth Power

What this set does: Well this is the staple of the team you could say. the 3rd and most popular member of the synergy gang. Bulky Subtoxic Hetran. This thing is just pure awesome. Once that sub comes up, the only thing breaking it is super effective attacks, which all Heatrans weaknesses are also immunites on Rotom and Vaporeon. When something tries to flush the sub out I toxic them, then switch to the appropriate counter.
Now for people that say that I need protect instead of earth power they are pure idiots. What is the Number 1 heatran counter? HEATRAN! Whats the point of having this sub up when I can't attack it.

Can you spell Wish Protect?

Vaporeon (Elanie Benes) @

Ability: Water Absorb
Nature: Bold
Ev's: 188 Hp| 252 Def| 68 Spe
Moves:
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Surf
~ Hidden Power Electric

What this set does: Vaporeon is the final member of the Synergy Group and another vital member. She rids off all water attacks from Heatran and makes Electric users come from all the lands to try and get a bit.
It is also a great Gyarados counter, and it loves switching in after Hetran has Toxic'd something and it can wish protect to it's hearts content.
Also as my only healing move, wish can be passed around to save my skin.
Vaporeon is just an amazing pokemon, just if I could Incorperate Heal Bell somewhere into the set, it would be amazing.

The Sweeper that people say GRRR at.

Lucario (Jerry Seinfield) @

Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 196 Hp| 252 Atk| 60 Spe|
Moves:
~ Swords Dance
~ Extremespeed
~ Close Combat
~ Ice Punch

What this set does: Presenting what this team was focus on before it became all synergy. Shuca Berry Lucario! IMO this is the best Lucario set you can have, although it lacks power of the LO set, the LO set gets Ko'd too quickly by common switch in's liek Gliscor, where as this one takes the damage for only around 50% hp and then OHKO's back with Ice Punch.
This is mainly used as an end game sweeper but it can come in when it resists something, SD up as they switch in a counter and then it becomes fun.


Okay so theres my team of Synergy. How can I make it better people?
I'll take anything into mind.

Flame, Like, Steal, Rate, Bait, Mate away please.

 

[Go Mango]

Reserved for threat list.

BAM!

 

[robdogz]

hello Go Mango,

Ill try not to be to harsh whilst analysing your RMT posted team, however this team needs to shape up if it is to have any chance to keep up with the fast pace tempo of the OU metagame.

Firstly, my big question; why the hell would anyone use electivre with all the other/better electric type options. So my advice would be to do a direct swap with magnezone. This will allow you to trap steel types, more notably, the most used poekmon in the game, scizor.

magnezone @leftovers
nature: modest
ability: magnetpull
ev's: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Magnet Rose
- Thunderbolt
- HP(ice)
This set is particularly good at taking out Bronzong and Scizor, but it is equally effective at beating many other Steel-types as well. Magnet Rise will stop their attempts to hit you with Earthquake, while Substitute helps protect you from their other attacks such as Hypnosis or Explosion. Substitute also makes revenge killing Magnezone a much more difficult task, since most other attacks carried by Steel-types are resisted by Magnezone as well, allowing your Substitute to remain intact as you are attacking.

Now we have that sorted i am strongly suggesting switching Rotom with the best revenge killer in that game, latias. If u ask me what is he good for than u are an idiot. He will take down ddancing gyarados, ddancing salamence, infernape etc and hits rediculously hard on those who dont resist draco meteor. Trick also allows you to totally fuck up stall teams!

Latias @Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
Ev's: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moves:
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Trick

So now you are starting along the right track and the team starting to look decentish. Your Heatran might work alright atm with a low shoddy rating however as you stroll up the ranks with your new team you will have to approach each battle with a more strategic game plan and this new tormentran will give you the edge, regardless of what you belive in your write up purpose.

Heatran @Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
Ev's: 244 HP / 32 SpA / 12 SpD / 220 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect
- Lava Plume
This moveset is quite tricky to perfect, however once you have this nailed down pat, tormentran becomes one of the hardest pokemon in the game to take down, i cannot stress enough his worth to your somewhat 'balanced' team. Just remember this! Your wish support vaporeon links so well with this guy and makes him almost indestructable (with these two in your team i have only come across 2 pokemon who can overcome tran and vap combo. This guy is highly regarded though so you wont need to worry :D)

Alright i know this is a tad lengthy but we ARE getting there and i think you deserve a good rate. I agree with your vaporeon set as it serves a great purpose. However another ecellent option is crocune, but that can be for another time lol. The last suggestion i can offer is run Crunch over Ice punch for better coverage in handling the rotoms inperticular. Some damage calculations for back up.

Crunch vs. max HP / Def Cresselia: 63.5% - 74.8%
Crunch vs. max HP Cresselia: 85.1% - 100% (2.6% chance to OHKO)
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Dusknoir: 88.4% - 100% (21% chance to OHKO)
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Celebi: 78.7% - 93.1%
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Rotom - Appliance: 100%

Well thats all from me.... hope it goes well! good luck.

 

[Delko]

Heatran, Metagross and Infernape = Earthquake is a OHKO most of the time, even with Shuca Berry (Can someone confirm?)

Earthquake is a OHKO on Heatran despite Shuck berry, Metagross isn't OHKO'ed and mostly doesn't hold Shucka berry, watch out because a bullet punch is a 2HKO on you so you'll loose if they decided not to use SR. Fake Out infernape could also own Mamo, since FO will destroy your sash and fire blast will finish you off without you even touching him!

Rotom-C (Joe Davola) @

~ Thunderbolt
~ Shadow Ball
~ Leaf Storm/ Hp Fighting (still undecided, I've been using Leaf Storm well.
~ Trick

Leaf Storm is superiour here since you have a problem with Swampert.

Heatran @Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
Moves:
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect
- Lava Plume

Torment Tran is useless without Toxic Spikes Support and maybe even SS. So That's not an option here!

 

[Krommetje]

Hmm. Electivire isn't that good anymore. With all the Priority and Revenge killing Latias's it is dead after one attack even with Speed boost. It can be a good pokemon if the rest of the team is build to kill its counters Scizor and Latias and other Scarfers. I would say switch Electivire for a good revenge killer that fits your team well and make Rotom the standard not scarfed set.

And ow yes BlackScizor is right. TormentTran is useless without TS support
Well that's what I have to say. Hope i've helped

 

[Go Mango]

hello Go Mango,

Ill try not to be to harsh whilst analysing your RMT posted team, however this team needs to shape up if it is to have any chance to keep up with the fast pace tempo of the OU metagame.

Firstly, my big question; why the hell would anyone use electivre with all the other/better electric type options. So my advice would be to do a direct swap with magnezone. This will allow you to trap steel types, more notably, the most used poekmon in the game, scizor.

magnezone @leftovers
nature: modest
ability: magnetpull
ev's: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Moves:
- Substitute
- Magnet Rose
- Thunderbolt
- HP(ice)
This set is particularly good at taking out Bronzong and Scizor, but it is equally effective at beating many other Steel-types as well. Magnet Rise will stop their attempts to hit you with Earthquake, while Substitute helps protect you from their other attacks such as Hypnosis or Explosion. Substitute also makes revenge killing Magnezone a much more difficult task, since most other attacks carried by Steel-types are resisted by Magnezone as well, allowing your Substitute to remain intact as you are attacking.

Now we have that sorted i am strongly suggesting switching Rotom with the best revenge killer in that game, latias. If u ask me what is he good for than u are an idiot. He will take down ddancing gyarados, ddancing salamence, infernape etc and hits rediculously hard on those who dont resist draco meteor. Trick also allows you to totally fuck up stall teams!

Latias @Choice Scarf
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
Ev's: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Moves:
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Surf
- Trick

So now you are starting along the right track and the team starting to look decentish. Your Heatran might work alright atm with a low shoddy rating however as you stroll up the ranks with your new team you will have to approach each battle with a more strategic game plan and this new tormentran will give you the edge, regardless of what you belive in your write up purpose.

Heatran @Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
Moves:
- Substitute
- Torment
- Protect
- Lava Plume
This moveset is quite tricky to perfect, however once you have this nailed down pat, tormentran becomes one of the hardest pokemon in the game to take down, i cannot stress enough his worth to your somewhat 'balanced' team. Just remember this! Your wish support vaporeon links so well with this guy and makes him almost indestructable (with these two in your team i have only come across 2 pokemon who can overcome tran and vap combo. This guy is highly regarded though so you wont need to worry :D)

Alright i know this is a tad lengthy but we ARE getting there and i think you deserve a good rate. I agree with your vaporeon set as it serves a great purpose. However another ecellent option is crocune, but that can be for another time lol. The last suggestion i can offer is run Crunch over Ice punch for better coverage in handling the rotoms inperticular. Some damage calculations for back up.

Crunch vs. max HP / Def Cresselia: 63.5% - 74.8%
Crunch vs. max HP Cresselia: 85.1% - 100% (2.6% chance to OHKO)
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Dusknoir: 88.4% - 100% (21% chance to OHKO)
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Celebi: 78.7% - 93.1%
Crunch vs. max HP / Def Rotom - Appliance: 100%

Well thats all from me.... hope it goes well! good luck.

Thanks for the rate but I have to make my arguement don't I.

Firstly. I choose a Electivire because it is a very good pokemon and people diss it purely based on it's "low" sweeping speed, and works in conjunction with Vaporeon so well. I have no problem with Scizor what so ever and I have always found Magnezone to be a bad pokemon, thats just MY opinion.

And with Latias, that COULD work, but my team is about exploiting Immunities within those 4 pokemon.
Your point with Latias is this

He will take down ddancing gyarados, ddancing salamence, infernape

But Vaporeon and Rotom make mince meat of Gyarados, Mamoswine and Lucario laugh at Salamence and Infernape can't handle vappy.

Switching Rotom for Latias may sound liek a good idea on paper. But in actual game plan he is the biggest Blissy magnet in the game and he has done much more on this team with it's STAB Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball then Latias will.

And that Heatran is pretty useless on my team, that is a pure stalling Heatran and what amd I actually doing while I am stalling? Waisting PP?

Thanks RobDogz, but Magnezone is a 100% no, and I MAY look into Latias, although Rotom is just so good at his job.

And I run Ice Punch on Lucario for Dragons and Grass. Crunch is for a few pokemon that my other pokemon can handle. And Without Ice Punch I am much weaker to a Dragon set up.

And you said "as I scroll up the ranks" I am quite knowledgable in what it's liek in the "higher" ratings as I have been close to the leaderboard. (just missed out)

BlackScizor= yeah Infernape lead is annoying, I usually switch to Rotom or Vappy straight up. Fake out is well immune to Rotom and it doesn't do much to Vappy. But yeah, it's the only real lead that annoys me.

And Yeah I have continued to use Leafstorm, Swampert is just annoying. Plain and simple.

So thanks to RobDogz for his suggestions and to BlackScizor for helping me with that Rotom-C issue.

EDIT: As I posted Krommetje said something so I'll address it.

Everyone bags out E-Vire, but he just does so well for me I don't know what to say to everyone that picks on him.

And there is NO WAY I will make Rotom not Scarf'd he is my Stall and Set up counter, without his tricking Blissy runs Havok on my team.

 

[robdogz]

But Vaporeon and Rotom make mince meat of Gyarados, Mamoswine and Lucario laugh at Salamence and Infernape can't handle vappy.

Switching Rotom for Latias may sound liek a good idea on paper. But in actual game plan he is the biggest Blissy magnet in the game and he has done much more on this team with it's STAB Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball then Latias will.

You say mamoswine and lucario laugh at salamence, really what are you talking about! mamo is your lead so it is very likely he wont even be around when salamence comes out; the only reason why you would run ice punch on on lucario is because you chose a jolly nature to take down gliscor! Salamence would either OHKO with earthquake or if hes mixed then flamethrower. And you say latias is the biggest blissey magnet in the game. This is where prediction comes into play, unleash latias into gyarados for example, see if he switches to blissey. If he does then switch out and next time instead of using the supereffective move just trick the bastard and he is screwed. Therefore your not just relying on lucario to KO him, as many link blissey with rotom for it to take the close combat. Anyway i really hope you at least try my options.

NOW ELECTIVRE, you might like him but this IS competitive battling so you are going to get screwed over if you pick your favorites without an awesome explanation.
Electivire has a whole lot of counters, actually. Let's begin with the mixed set. Without Hidden Power Grass, Swampert walls it completely. Cresselia, as always, takes little damage from any unboosted attack, and so do the Rotom forms. Bulky ghosts are also pretty good ideas, since they can proceed to burn Electivire, halving its already not-so-great Attack stat (again, on the mixed set). Shuckle can take any attack, use Encore, and switch out to an appropriate Pokemon that can begin setting up on you. The physical set is dramatically easier to wall. Bronzong and Forretress don't really mind the attacks Electivire fires at them, bar the rare Fire Punch.

OK keep an open mind with these changes people have suggested, open a new account on shoddy and test them out for a while!
hope it goes well anyway GL.

 

[Stylish Interval]

Electivire has a whole lot of counters, actually. Let's begin with the mixed set. Without Hidden Power Grass, Swampert walls it completely. Cresselia, as always, takes little damage from any unboosted attack, and so do the Rotom forms. Bulky ghosts are also pretty good ideas, since they can proceed to burn Electivire, halving its already not-so-great Attack stat (again, on the mixed set). Shuckle can take any attack, use Encore, and switch out to an appropriate Pokemon that can begin setting up on you. The physical set is dramatically easier to wall. Bronzong and Forretress don't really mind the attacks Electivire fires at them, bar the rare Fire Punch.

Without Hidden Power Grass, Swampert walls Zapdos completely. Cresselia, as always, takes little damage from any unboosted attack from Zapdos, as do the rotom-forms. Shuckle can take any attack, use encore, then switch to an appropriate pokemon to set up on zapdos.

Without Hidden Power Grass, Swampert walls Heatran completely. Cresselia, as always, takes little damage from any uboosted attack from Heatran. Shuckle can take any attack, use encore, then switch to an appropriate pokemon to set up on it.

Without Hidden Power Grass, Swampert walls Raikou completely. Cresselia, as always, takes little damage from any uboosted attack, as do the rotom formes, bar shadow ball. Shuckle can take any attack, use encore, then switch to an appropriate pokemon to set up on it.


Your arguments don't show anything, as the combination of those pokemon does the same to the pokemon i listed, and i've listed two notably well working electric types.


As for the OPs team, Leaf Storm > HP Fighting, and how well is Lucario serving you while lacking the boost from Life Orb? Is it getting it's sweeps? Just wondering, of course.

 

[Go Mango]

You say mamoswine and lucario laugh at salamence, really what are you talking about! mamo is your lead so it is very likely he wont even be around when salamence comes out; the only reason why you would run ice punch on on lucario is because you chose a jolly nature to take down gliscor! Salamence would either OHKO with earthquake or if hes mixed then flamethrower.

Firstly Mamoswine has stayed in the game alot longer then you think, I don't use him as a "Suicide" lead, if he gets rocks up I'll usually switch him out for later.

Secondly Lucario is running Shuca berry and is not OHKO'd by Salamences Earthquake... Which people will choose over Flamethrower because I have a Heatran.

And you say latias is the biggest blissey magnet in the game. This is where prediction comes into play, unleash latias into gyarados for example, see if he switches to blissey. If he does then switch out and next time instead of using the supereffective move just trick the bastard and he is screwed.]

What are you on about? Why do you think I run a trick Rotom-C for super effective damage on a blissy? LOL Seriously rethink that part.

Electivire may not be very good amongst many teams, but in this team where people just want to get rid of Vaporeon, I get Electivire a boost almost every game, and there has been one game where he has swept without a boost.

Robdogz you TRY this, try making a team with a WishProtect vappy and a E-vire, and see how many times you are able to sweep because of it.

I am highly Considering Latias though, I test it out and see how it fairs. I don't have anything wrong with that suggestion, it's just that i'll be changing something that has been working so well.

how well is Lucario serving you while lacking the boost from Life Orb? Is it getting it's sweeps? Just wondering, of course.

It is working pretty well, I used to use Life Orb and I always found myself being destroyed by Earthquakes, nearly everyone and their mothers run it.
Now I can happily start setting up on something and keep setting up.
As for sweeps I've only done liek 3 or 4, 4-0 sweeps with Lucario, He usually picks up the crumbs.


You have all been helpful so far, I am currently working in the threat list.

 

[Crudkip]

I forsee DDTar causing huge issues, as every pokemon will be OHKOed but Vappy (which I assume can take one, which still is not an answer whatsoever). I think a Swampert over Electivire would prevent that, also meaning that you keep the Electric immunity there too.

And you stole that Lucario set straight from BetterthenLori/Blue Harvest >.> So yeah, some credit is due there.

Also you don't have anything to take Special hits very well, threats in the region of SpecsJolt and LOStarmie will run rampant over you here, maybe a Bulky CB Tyranitar could be useful, for not only providing a check to these threats, but also the Sand Storm could aid Lucario's sweep having his counters losing their Leftovers recovery.