IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE UU COMMUNITY
The recent unbanning of Iron Hands is honestly both baffling and as expected. The UU council has been doing this kind of stuff for years now - sometimes it's a joke, sometimes it's completely serious. And I know we're supposed to be in a light hearted mood today but frankly I am so sick and tired of the tier leaders, moderators, and council doing whatever they want which actually amounts to doing nothing at all.
It's no surprise that UU is an embarrassment of a tier lately. You need look no further than the recent 2025 circuit "open mic" thread - not because of any of the contents of the thread (obviously incompetent display) but because "open mic" is such a bad name for a suggestions thread. Were we supposed to go tell jokes? Here's a joke: UU! Haha! And that was honestly just the final straw here - it was already bad before but at least it was just bad internally. Now everyone on Smogon knows how wholly unqualified the entire UU team is to be in charge. Let's take a step back and look at some things:
It takes about 25 years before UU decide to take any action on anything whatsoever. And don't think this is limited to tiering action - when's the last time there was any kind of subforum activity besides team tours and viability rankings? (who is even hosting that now? lmao probably nobody). Forum projects? Fucking hilarious, do you think this is 2022 when those actually existed here? Fun subforum tours? Imagine UU leaders wanting to have any kind of fun - but I can understand since they always have their work cut out for them in fixing a mess that they themselves ignored for eons. Ursaluna meta. Remember that? It lasted about 6 months longer than it should have because UU didn't want to take any action on an obviously broken product. And I think this was even during Smogon Grand Slam too? I can't remember but it probably was - which brings to my next point of that we literally had to get YELLED AT by other Smogon staff before updating our sample teams before Grand Slam, since, you know, we used to like updating those teams twice a year instead of twice a month like most competent tiers do.
So what are we really left with here? Lily's been TL for way too long - her takes have gone from bad to worse to batshit crazy. And don't even get me started on the elephant in the room - "new TL" vivalospride. What has he done lately? I don't really know but I brought him a UUPL Championship last season and he couldn't even start me in UUWC as a thank you (go fuck yourself).
AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THIS, I HAVE GATHERED ACTUAL COMPETENT UU COMMUNITY MEMBERS TOGETHER TO ADDRESS IT. THE LEADERSHIP IS NO GOOD - CONSIDER THIS A DEMAND TO STEP DOWN!
If UU leaders are actually competent and willing to change the tier, then prove it. We will have a battle royale - but if you can't defeat us, the opposition group, then you don't deserve to run the tier anymore. Hell, you don't deserve to run it anyways, but this will finally seal the deal. If you refuse this fight, then you are the cowards we all already think you are. I have talked extensively with everyone in this group and we all agree that this is what has to happen.
For UU... for the future...
VS 
Competent UU (3) vs. Incompetent UU (0)
SV UU: Lyssa v. Mossy Sandwich
SS UU: Lizzie v. Lily
SM UU: DugZa v. vivalospride
ADV UU: Queen of Bean v. ThatOneApple
GSC UU: Nightingales v. Estarossa
Literally any tier: BigFatMantis v. Monky25 (I'm calling act btw)
Deadline is in 24 hours. May the best leadership win.
The recent unbanning of Iron Hands is honestly both baffling and as expected. The UU council has been doing this kind of stuff for years now - sometimes it's a joke, sometimes it's completely serious. And I know we're supposed to be in a light hearted mood today but frankly I am so sick and tired of the tier leaders, moderators, and council doing whatever they want which actually amounts to doing nothing at all.
It's no surprise that UU is an embarrassment of a tier lately. You need look no further than the recent 2025 circuit "open mic" thread - not because of any of the contents of the thread (obviously incompetent display) but because "open mic" is such a bad name for a suggestions thread. Were we supposed to go tell jokes? Here's a joke: UU! Haha! And that was honestly just the final straw here - it was already bad before but at least it was just bad internally. Now everyone on Smogon knows how wholly unqualified the entire UU team is to be in charge. Let's take a step back and look at some things:
It takes about 25 years before UU decide to take any action on anything whatsoever. And don't think this is limited to tiering action - when's the last time there was any kind of subforum activity besides team tours and viability rankings? (who is even hosting that now? lmao probably nobody). Forum projects? Fucking hilarious, do you think this is 2022 when those actually existed here? Fun subforum tours? Imagine UU leaders wanting to have any kind of fun - but I can understand since they always have their work cut out for them in fixing a mess that they themselves ignored for eons. Ursaluna meta. Remember that? It lasted about 6 months longer than it should have because UU didn't want to take any action on an obviously broken product. And I think this was even during Smogon Grand Slam too? I can't remember but it probably was - which brings to my next point of that we literally had to get YELLED AT by other Smogon staff before updating our sample teams before Grand Slam, since, you know, we used to like updating those teams twice a year instead of twice a month like most competent tiers do.
So what are we really left with here? Lily's been TL for way too long - her takes have gone from bad to worse to batshit crazy. And don't even get me started on the elephant in the room - "new TL" vivalospride. What has he done lately? I don't really know but I brought him a UUPL Championship last season and he couldn't even start me in UUWC as a thank you (go fuck yourself).
AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THIS, I HAVE GATHERED ACTUAL COMPETENT UU COMMUNITY MEMBERS TOGETHER TO ADDRESS IT. THE LEADERSHIP IS NO GOOD - CONSIDER THIS A DEMAND TO STEP DOWN!
If UU leaders are actually competent and willing to change the tier, then prove it. We will have a battle royale - but if you can't defeat us, the opposition group, then you don't deserve to run the tier anymore. Hell, you don't deserve to run it anyways, but this will finally seal the deal. If you refuse this fight, then you are the cowards we all already think you are. I have talked extensively with everyone in this group and we all agree that this is what has to happen.
For UU... for the future...


Competent UU (3) vs. Incompetent UU (0)
SV UU: Lyssa v. Mossy Sandwich
SS UU: Lizzie v. Lily
SM UU: DugZa v. vivalospride
ADV UU: Queen of Bean v. ThatOneApple
GSC UU: Nightingales v. Estarossa
Literally any tier: BigFatMantis v. Monky25 (I'm calling act btw)
Deadline is in 24 hours. May the best leadership win.
Last edited: