Introducing: Team Electronik Supersonic

[BulletPunch]

Hey guys I haven't played shoddy in a long time. The last time i signed on was in like September! After a few days of playing again I think I have regained my poke skillz =P. Currently I am on break and so as I have nothing better to do I am going to post my favorite team to use in the current metagame, Team Electronik Supersonic (The title of a music video by ZLAD I came across while lurking the Firebot Development Lab Forum).

Team Elektronik Supersonik at a first glance:

Onto the sets:

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Evs: 76 HP/180 Spe/252 SpA
Modest Nature ( +SpA, -Atk )
• Stealth Rock
• Leaf Storm
• Hp Fire
• U-turn

I absolutely love lead Celebi for two reasons. 1 because very few people know about the set and 2 because it handles most of the common leads today. Stealth Rocks are there because they are very important to my team for a couple of reasons, Leaf Storm OHKO's Swampert and Hippowdon two of the most popular leads. Im using Leaf Storm over Grass Knot or Energy Ball because only Leaf Storm can score an OHKO on the mighty Hippo. Hidden Power Fiire has been switched over Earth Power because Metagross is now countered by Swampert and because Hp Fire will add Celebi to be another Scizor check. Occa Berry has been switched for Leftovers because Latias can counter any lead fire types Celebi may have trouble with and because Celebi would like some more bulk mid-game. Finally U-turn is for suicide leads like Aerodactyl and Azelf, against those suckers I simply u-turn out and bullet punch 'em with Scizor.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
Evs: 4 HP/252 Spe/252SpA
Naive Nature ( +Spe -SpD )
• Fire Blast
• Earth Power
• Dragon Pulse
• Explosion

Ahhh, good ol Heatran, never fails to get the job done. This here Heatran is the standard heat machine with Fire Blast over flamethrower because I like to hit pokemon hard and Hp ice is now replaced with Dragon Pulse again because Swampert can handle Salamence now and because it would be nice to have a sure counter on Kingdra. With a Naive nature Heatran can surely outspeed +1 Kingdra now as well. This Heatran is important to my team because he can outspeed and eliminate many pokemon that might be a pain otherwise to my team.

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Evs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def/
Relaxed Nature ( +Def, -Spe )
• Ice Beam
• Earthquake
• Roar
• Protect

Run lil' kiddies is Barney!!! lol, that's the best thing about this poke, with the move roar Swampy can phaze away pokemons that could really hurt this team. Vaporeon has been replaced by the Monster because of the lack of a pokemon to wall Salamence. Swampert's ev's plus bulk allow him to be as bulky as possible without having to sacrifice to moves ( Rest N Sleep Talk ). As Celebi has dropped Earth Power Swampert becomes lead Metagross' new best friend. Earthquake will bring 'em down and if they decide to Xplode then Swampy can just Protect. Ice Beam gives Swampert an answer to Salamence and when coupled with Earthquake is only resisted by one pokemon in OU, Bronzong who is easily handled by this team. Thank you Itsuki for the suggestion to add the Beast.

Latias @ leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Evs: 252 Hp/4 Def/252 Spe
Timid Nature ( +Spe, -Atk )
• Dragon Pulse
• ThunderBolt
• Reflect
• Recover

Without Latias this team would fall apart, making her 'the glue'. Dragon Pulse is Latias' main stab attack and is a good one at that as only one type resist the move. ThunderBolt turns Latias into a great counter of both Suicune and Gyarados. Hp ev's were maxed to compliment T-bolt so that Suicune only 3HKO's with Ice Beam and +1 Gyarados 2HKO's with Stone Edge as long as Latias is above 70% Health. Recover is there for, what is it again............ Oh yeah recovery! Reflect is there to ensure no Scizor or Tyranitar will rain on Latias' parade. I maxed out the Speed stat so that Latias will always outspeed max Speed Hp Fire Gengar and tie with Max Speed Gengar and enemy Latias. Latias plays a big role late game also as I normally sacrifice her to pursuit so that Lucario can start a Swords Dance sweep.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Evs: 252 HP/ 252 ATK/8 SpD [30 Spe ivs]
Adamant Nature ( +Atk, -SpA )
• Bullet Punch
• Superpower
• Pursuit
• U-turn

Another popular pokemon set is Choice Band Scizor. However this Scizor's goal is not only to "deal massive damage" but to weaken or eliminate Lucario's counters. the only wierd thing about this set is that there are no speed evs and only 30 Spd ivs instead of 31. I did this so that enemy Scizors will attack first with Superpower and miss the OHKO, then recieve the -Atk and -Def effect of Superpower allowing me to OHKO them back with Superpower. Sorry if the way I worded that was confusing =P

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
Evs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252Spe
Adamant Nature ( +Atk, -SpA )
• Swords Dance
• Close Combat
• ExtremeSpeed
• Stone Edge

When this thing comes out it almost always means endgame. This is the standard SD Lucario set, its objective is to sweep the rest off the team. For my fouth slot move I decided to use Crunch because Rotom-A is a pain. Ice Fang isn't that usefull on Lucario anyways, as Gliscor now run faster sets to outspeed Lucario.

 

[BulletPunch]

Building Process:

Ok so I start off by asking myself who is the best late game sweeper? Some answers that come into my mind are gyarados, salamence, and Lucario. Lucario is my favorite of the three pokemon and so I decide to use him.

Know to help take out some of Lucarioscounter's I need a pokemon who has similar weaknesses so that it can attract those weaknesses and destroy their ability to stop Lucario. The best pokemon for this job is a Choice Band Scizor, using it's sheer power it can wear down counters. It would also be handy to have a pokemon to outspeed and eliminate Lucarios Counter's and so I threw in ScarfTran.

There are many weaknesses on this team left without resitances and so realizing I have Heatran I throw in Celebi to create the ever so famous Celetran combo. As I scan through the smogon analysis on Celebi I find a lead set. The set sounds promising and so I test it out on one of my OU teams, Success!

Now I look at pokemon that could be a threat to my team. Pokemon like Salamence and Gyarados could be very dangerous and so I throw in the cyber duck. The team seems pretty sturdy but something is missing. After testing the lead Celebi I saw one weakness Ninjask.I need a phazer, Eureka! I also would like to have a set up for Lucario's sweep and so Latias fits the bill.

 

[BulletPunch]

Threat list:

Key: Green = No Problem Orange= Can be problematic Red = HELP!!!

Defensive Threats:

Blissey - Scizor if im positive Blissey won't flamethrower, if Blissey is gonna flamethrower then Heatran can explode in Blissey's face.

Bronzong - Switch to Heatran on lead variants and Scizor can wear it down.

Celebi - Heatran or scizor.

Forretress - Heatran or Vaporeon

Gliscor - Vaporeon

Gyarados - Latias

Hippowdon - Celebi

Jirachi - Heatran

Rotom-A -Heatran can revenge it or Lucario will take it down with Crunch late game

Skarmory - Heatran or wear it down with Scizor

Snorlax - Scizor, Explode from Heatran or Lucario

Suicune - Ice Beam 3HKO's Latias and Vaporeon handles

Swampert - Celebi

Tyranitar - Scizor or Lucario

Vaporeon - Celebi

Zapdos - If it has Hp Grass then Latias covers it, if it has Hp Ice then Swampert covers it.

Offensive Threats:

Azelf - Scizor or Heatran

Breloom - Celebi, Heatran if there is no sub, Latias, or if it's at low health Scizor

Gengar- Scizor or if it has hp fire then Latias

Gyarados - Latias, or Lucario can switch in and Extreme Speed if its low on health.

Heatran -Heatran, Swampert, or Latias

Infernape - Latias, Swampert if they don't have hp grass or Heatran can revenge it.

Jolteon - Latias, or Swampert if it doesn't have hp grass.
Speed tie.

Kingdra - Heatran

Lucario- Heatran, or Latias if its lacking Crunch

Machamp - Most of my team can damage it efficiently enough that it is not a problem.

Magnezone - Heatran or Swampert

Mamoswine - Scizor or Heatran

Metagross - Swampert or Heatran

Salamence - Swampert or Scizor when it has little Hp left.

Scizor - Heatran or Scizor

Starmie - Swampert

Tyranitar - Swampert, Scizor, or Lucario

Zapdos - Hp Grass variants=Latias Hp Ice variants=Swampert

Thank you for reading my RMT! Please feel free to give constructive criticism!
Thank you Bulbapedia for the images!!!
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[The SPrinkLer]

he mentioned it twice, once for offensive threats, and once for defensive.

also why post just to say good team though

that has to be the stupidest post i have seen in my life in the rmt forum

also i'll edit in a rate in a second

ok so the first thing I think would be cool for this team would be to run hp fire on celebi somewhere. By doing this, you lure in scizor and kill it so latias has an easier time staying alive. Currently scizor just gets a lot of free u-turns on your team, which is never fun. The next thing you might wanna try is a calm mind roar set on latias, since scizor won't be a problem anymore. You also roar out things like skarmory before they whirlwind, making it a great sweeper set. As for other things, I don't see the need for porygon on such an offensive team. I'd definitely go with the one persons suggestion about a bulky water since it makes such a potent core. Hope I helped good luck!

 

[Cipher Admin Lovrina]

Might I suggest adding a bulky water over Porygon2 to balance out the fighting weakness? Celebi + Heatran + Bulky Water= One Hell of a Defensive core!

Also, it would benefit Latias and your entire team tremendously if she carried Wish over Recover. Reflect and wish into Lucario could give you the perfect opportunity for that endgame sweep!

 

[BulletPunch]

Updated Team and threat list.

Thank you for the suggestion Cipher Admin Lovrina, the idea sounds great! Im amazed I didn't realize I was one poke away from the grass, fire, water combo =P Im unsure if I can find a pokemon with the walling capabilities of porygon2 though but I will test them out. I don't want to switch Latias' Recovery with wish because then she can't wall Suicune without the immediate recovery.

 

[GrimHawke]

Hey this is pretty good, props for using lead Celebi.

One bulky water you might consider is Swampert. It's a good check against an outraging DDMence and can also phaze other pokes. The only type that gets past CeleTran is rock, and swampert resists it.

Since you have a phazer now, you can take Roar off Latias for a coverage move. Since you have max HP and Reflect, putting Thunderbolt on it makes a great Gyarados check.

 

[BulletPunch]

Hi guys thanks for the replies! After researching and testing I have decided to switch out Porygon2 for a Phazing Swampert and give Latias T-Bolt. Im going to do some final test and then edit the team. The team is still needs help, keep the comments coming please.

Thank you,
BulletPunch

 

[BulletPunch]

Update: Okay after a lot of testing I have switched Swampert out for Vaporeon. Would like to use toxic on Vaporeon but don't know which move to switch out for it. Let's here some suggestions!

Update: After some testingI have decided to switch Vaporeon's Roar for Toxic and now Latias has lost Reflect for Roar.

Thank you,
BulletPunch

 

[pkmntrainerblue]

Ok I got your rate and I saw that your team is already really solid. So this will be a tough rate (But I have never turned down a rate and I don't plan on starting to.) Ok I have recommended this Pokemon Way, WAY to much but he is so good. It is Flygon. I was thinking that you should either put it over Scizor or Heatran. This has it's Pros and cons for each choice. Well before I get into the Pros and cons (which I will) I might as well tell you the set.

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Nature Naughty
evs 4 HP 252 Atk 252 Spe
Moves
- U-Turn
- Dragon Claw
- EarthQuake
- Flamethrower (Or your choice of Special fire moves)

Well let's get down to business (To defeat the Huns lol) the set itself it self explanatory for the most part. So I will go into how it will work with either Heatran or with Scizor. With Scizor (Staying and Heatran Leaving) you have good synergy (Fire resisted by Flygon, Ice and Dragon resisted by Scizor.) Another thing you get with these two is an awesome offensive team. They can U-Turn to each other all day. As well as picking off a lot of offensive threats. But without Heatran you lose you awesome defensive core. With Heatran (Staying and Scizor Leaving) you get to keep you defensive core and still having good synergy with each other (Ice and Dragon are both resisted by Heatran while Flygon is immune to ground.) Heatran and Flygon work well as revenge killers because Heatran takes out the Physically inclined defenders while Flygon takes care of the Specially inclined defenders. But with these two it makes half of your team weak to ice (though the other half resists ice.) Also you can not have the pure joy of U-Turning through teams.

Well you may or may not want to implement what I have said but I hope you still take it into consideration and Maybe test it out. Best of luck.

-Pkmntrainerblue

 

[JLance]

Just a question but what do you do against a rotom-h? Depending on what he is running and how well the opponent uses him he can cause quite a bit of trouble for your team

 

[BulletPunch]

Ok I got your rate and I saw that your team is already really solid. So this will be a tough rate (But I have never turned down a rate and I don't plan on starting to.) Ok I have recommended this Pokemon Way, WAY to much but he is so good. It is Flygon. I was thinking that you should either put it over Scizor or Heatran. This has it's Pros and cons for each choice. Well before I get into the Pros and cons (which I will) I might as well tell you the set.

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Nature Naughty
evs 4 HP 252 Atk 252 Spe
Moves
- U-Turn
- Dragon Claw
- EarthQuake
- Flamethrower (Or your choice of Special fire moves)

Well let's get down to business (To defeat the Huns lol) the set itself it self explanatory for the most part. So I will go into how it will work with either Heatran or with Scizor. With Scizor (Staying and Heatran Leaving) you have good synergy (Fire resisted by Flygon, Ice and Dragon resisted by Scizor.) Another thing you get with these two is an awesome offensive team. They can U-Turn to each other all day. As well as picking off a lot of offensive threats. But without Heatran you lose you awesome defensive core. With Heatran (Staying and Scizor Leaving) you get to keep you defensive core and still having good synergy with each other (Ice and Dragon are both resisted by Heatran while Flygon is immune to ground.) Heatran and Flygon work well as revenge killers because Heatran takes out the Physically inclined defenders while Flygon takes care of the Specially inclined defenders. But with these two it makes half of your team weak to ice (though the other half resists ice.) Also you can not have the pure joy of U-Turning through teams.

Well you may or may not want to implement what I have said but I hope you still take it into consideration and Maybe test it out. Best of luck.

-Pkmntrainerblue

I have used Scarfgon before but never thought about using him on this team. With the addition of Flygon half of my team will have the ability to u-turn which will be a big bonus towards my mind games! One question though, can Dragon Claw OHKO the standard Salamence after SR? Heatran's ability to revenge Salamence is too important and so if Flygon can not im afraid I can't use him.

To: Jlance

Heatran revenges rotom-H with Fire Blast and Lucario takes it out late game with Crunch. If Rotom is scarfed then I can play on resistances.

Thank you,
BulletPunch

Update: After some testing I have decided to keep Heatran in. Flygon can OHKO Salamence after SR but Heatrans typing lets me switch into more pokemon more efficiently.

Thank you pokemontrainerblue for the suggestion,
BulletPunch

 

[symphonyx64]

You may want to change your Heatran's nature to Rash, to prevent Explosion's power from being weakened.

 

[666lumberjack]

I also think Scarfgon would be great on your team HOWEVER I think this set Might suit the spot better:
Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Hasty Nature
252Sp.Atk/252Spe/4Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- U-Turn
Yep, Special Scarfgon. Now I know you were worried about The Flygon set posted above not OHKOing Salamence, let me tell you, this thing does, even without SR some of the time. U-Turn should be on Every Scarfgon and this one is now exception, admittedly it doesn't have as much power as on a physical Set but since it's main purpose is to scout, that's not a massive drawback really. Draco Meteor basically owns everything without a steel typing not named Blissey, and since most opponents assume Flygon to be physical, Fire Blast could allow you to get a suprise KO on something like Skarmoury or Scizor (it OHKO's even the most specially defensive versions of both). You could also run Outrage over Dragon Claw on the above set although being locked in is a pain. It does OHKO Max Hp/ Max Defense Salamence after Stealth Rock (because Salamence Always runs Max Hp/Max Defense lol). Flygon also has a Rock Resist so that may or may not be useful to you.

 

[pkmntrainerblue]

Well if you are worried about OHKOing Salamence I ran some damage Calculations with dragon claw against a MAX defense and HP with an impish nature salamence you are doing 50.8% - 59.9% so a 100% chance of 2HKO. But against a Standard DD one you have a guaranteed 1HKO with stealth rocks and still a chance to OHKO by doing 87% - 103.3%. The Draco Meteor set mentioned above is a OHKO on DD even without Stealth Rocks in play. But does 70.1% - 82.7% to a max special def and HP salamence so this set he mentioned does OHKO all normal forms of salamence with Stealth Rock. You also have the option of putting outrage on my set over dragon claw because you do 76.1% - 89.8% to a Max def and HP with a def+ nature so you would get the OHKO on the ultimate MAX def salamence with stealth rocks with outrage. So I hope this helps you make your choice between the two sets.

I hope my rate helps.

P.S. @ Fast Flygon and Wind, Fast Flygon's set is NOT a bad set not at all don't get that impression from my rate. I just wanted to put the facts on the table for Wind.

 

[BulletPunch]

I know that Flygon can OHKO the standard Mence after SR but Heatrans resitances make him more valuable to my team. And thanks Symphonyx64 for the nature suggestion, when building the team I forgot the nature that boost's SpA and decreases SpD and was to lazy to search it up.

Thanks guys,
BulletPunch

 

[Itsuki]

Hello BulletPunch.

Your team looks rather solid, however I'd like to suggest a few things to help you against threats listed in your threat list as well as some threats I've found.

Vaporeon and Latias seem to play similar tasks. Fire-type resist, Gyarados counter, Infernape counter, etc. I believe you'd benefit more from a Swamperr over Vaporeon as it can cover Agility Metagross. Metagross can set up on Scizor's Pursuit and Heatran's Hidden Power Ice and use Agility and proceed to OHKO your entire team or inflict heavy damage while Latias and Celebi, who can withstand one attack, do little damage or not revenge it. It also helps deal with Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Dragon Dance Salamence who can otherwise set up on Scizor's Pursuit or Superpower (respectively), Heatran, and Celebi. After the boost either would proceed to KO every Pokemon on your team, although Vaporeon can survive some attacks and you can play around Outrage Salamence, but that's not reliable.

Swampert @ Leftovers | Torrent
Relaxed | 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Earthquake / Ice Beam / Roar / Stealth Rock

I would have suggested Rotom however you were quite weak to Fire-type attacks and Latias already covers Breloom and some variants of Zapdos.

Next I suggest using a Naive nature on Heatran and replace Hidden Power Ice with Dragon Pulse. You'll need it to revenge kill neutral natured Kingdra. As Sprinkles noted you cannot switch into Scizor so easily so Hidden Power Fire over U-turn is a possibility to KO weakened Scizor and gives you a secondary check to Breloom. Lastly, consider a Jolly nature for Lucario. Celebi and Heatran can check Lucario however it doesn't seem very reliable. With a Jolly nature you'll outspeed the more common Adamant nature and KO it.

Hope I helped!

 

[BulletPunch]

Hello BulletPunch.

Your team looks rather solid, however I'd like to suggest a few things to help you against threats listed in your threat list as well as some threats I've found.

Vaporeon and Latias seem to play similar tasks. Fire-type resist, Gyarados counter, Infernape counter, etc. I believe you'd benefit more from a Swamperr over Vaporeon as it can cover Agility Metagross. Metagross can set up on Scizor's Pursuit and Heatran's Hidden Power Ice and use Agility and proceed to OHKO your entire team or inflict heavy damage while Latias and Celebi, who can withstand one attack, do little damage or not revenge it. It also helps deal with Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Dragon Dance Salamence who can otherwise set up on Scizor's Pursuit or Superpower (respectively), Heatran, and Celebi. After the boost either would proceed to KO every Pokemon on your team, although Vaporeon can survive some attacks and you can play around Outrage Salamence, but that's not reliable.

Swampert @ Leftovers | Torrent
Relaxed | 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Earthquake / Ice Beam / Roar / Stealth Rock

I would have suggested Rotom however you were quite weak to Fire-type attacks and Latias already covers Breloom and some variants of Zapdos.

Next I suggest using a Naive nature on Heatran and replace Hidden Power Ice with Dragon Pulse. You'll need it to revenge kill neutral natured Kingdra. As Sprinkles noted you cannot switch into Scizor so easily so Hidden Power Fire over U-turn is a possibility to KO weakened Scizor and gives you a secondary check to Breloom. Lastly, consider a Jolly nature for Lucario. Celebi and Heatran can check Lucario however it doesn't seem very reliable. With a Jolly nature you'll outspeed the more common Adamant nature and KO it.

Hope I helped!

Thank you so much for the help. I will surely test out all of your suggestions! One question for you though, with the absence of Vaporeon should I use Wish on Latias? What set do you suggest I use for Latias?

Thank You,
Bullet Punch

 

[Itsuki]

I suggest you stick with that version as I rated your team with it in mind. It checks and counters several threats on your team.

I've seen a similar Latias being used in LR.'s team. It has Reflect over Roar. Wish can be used over Roar if you want Wish support.

 

[BulletPunch]

I suggest you stick with that version as I rated your team with it in mind. It checks and counters several threats on your team.

I've seen a similar Latias being used in LR.'s team. It has Reflect over Roar. Wish can be used over Roar if you want Wish support.

Yeah now that im using Swampert with Roar on this team I switched Latias' Roar with Reflect.