It's Liger! it's a tigon! No, it's Phione! A Phione discussion, to be exact.

Captain Awesome

It's a Liger! it's a tigon! No, it's Phione! A Phione discussion, to be exact.

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Phione
The Sea Drifter Pokemon
Height: 1'04" Weight: 6.8 lbs (STABbed GRass Knot becomes 60)
Gender Ratio: 0% Male, 0% Female (Immune to Attract)
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Egg Group: Ditto (can only breed with Ditto)
Evolutionary Line: Manaphy --Breed-> Phione --Breed-> Phione
Traits: Hydration (Heals status conditions in rain)

Physical Movepool:
Waterfall [HM08)8)8]8)8)
U-Turn [TM89]
Return [TM27]

There's nothing here, Fling or Natural Gift are options too, I guess.

Special Movepool:
Surf [HM03]
Ice Beam [TM13]
Blizzard [TM14](For it's average Special Attack)
Grass Knot [TM86]
Hidden Power [TM10]

Enough to scrounge together a Specs Set.

Support Movepool:
Toxic [TM06]
Acid Armor [Level 31]
Substitute [TM90]
Charm [Level 09]
Aqua Ring [Level 54]
Rain Dance [Level 69 or TM18]
Protect [TM17]

Meh, pretty small. Acid Armor and Charm do virtually the same thing, but Charm forces switches and Acid Armor actually keeps the Defense boost.

Possible Sets:
Phione @ Choice Specs
Timid Nature (-Attack, +Speed)
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
Trait: Hydration
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power (Ground)

I think this SEs eveything. HP Bug for Ghosts/Psychics/Darks, Ice beam for Grass, Dragon & Flying, Surf for Fire, Rock and Ground, Grass Knot for Ground, Rock and Water. I think the only thing not covered are Normals, Steels, Poisons and Electrics. HP Ground covers the latter three types but opens up your Dark/Psychic/Ghost weakness again.

Phione @ Leftovers
Calm / Careful Nature (-Attack / Special Attack, +Special Defense)
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Defense / 156 Special Defense / 34 In either Attack or Special Attack
Trait: Hydration
- Surf/Waterfall
- Ice Beam/U Turn/Rain Dance
- Rest
- Acid Armor

Works best on Rain Dance teams. Rain Dance recovers it's status (Rest's sleep), Acid Armor to boost Defense, while nature/EVs cover special defense. Plus, it boosts Surf/Waterfall. Unless you want to try Rain Dance over Ice Beam or U Turn, but then in really can't den't something like Vileplume, a fellow UU. Heck, it won't even be able to deal with Tropius without Ice Beam or U turn.

Discuss the Manaditto cross breed and it's miniscule movepool.
 
Since it's weak to Electric, HP (Ground) would definitely be at the top of my list over HP (Bug). Ghosts, Phychics, and Darks are probably better dealt with by a Physical sweeper, anyway.
 
If you're thinking of putting it up against OUs, the only real electric types with Thunderbolt are Jolteon, Electivire, and Zapdos (who seems to be used less now). I don't think Phione should be staying in against any of them. HP Ground isn't going to help against Zapdos either way. Also:

STAB'd Surf = 95 x 1.5 = 142
Super Effective HP Ground 70 = 70 x 2 = 140

There's no reason for HP Ground. The only one I can think about using it on would be Lanturn.
 
Don't forget Raikou. Phione is not going to do crap to him as he Calm Mind, but that's my opinion.

I don't know, I feel like Phione should never have been. It's cute and everything, but so much more useless than Manaphy because of Tail Glow. I think I'd personally go with the 2nd set there.

Wherever it ends up, I hope it does well.
 
It has the same stats as Glalie, so it'll go to whatever tier it was in last generation,as Glalie hasn't changed at all.

Does Hydration heal rest? If it doesn't Aqua Ring should go over Rest, and it recovers quite a bit of HP with Leech seed Support.
 
Captain Awesome said:
It has the same stats as Glalie, so it'll go to whatever tier it was in last generation,as Glalie hasn't changed at all.

Does Hydration heal rest? If it doesn't Aqua Ring should go over Rest, and it recovers quite a bit of HP with Leech seed Support.
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Hydration does recover Rest.
 
Yes. Then It's be perfect in a Rain Storm team with Magnezone and stuff. It inspires me. Now to see if Regigigas, the other bad 4th Gen legend is any good.
 
Captain Awesome said:
Yes. Then It's be perfect in a Rain Storm team with Magnezone and stuff. It inspires me. Now to see if Regigigas, the other bad 4th Gen legend is any good.
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Regigigas only has a hope in Double Battles (depending on whether certain moves disable Slow Start). It can't even learn Protect and Rest!
 
In Double Battle's it's only useful in PBR, IIRC in PBR Skill Swap yoinks the halved attack & speed, but in DP the stat debuffs remain for the 5 turns. It can still Sub/Trick Room/Bolt/Beam or something along those lines.
 
I think Phione may see use IF Manaphy is disallowed in standard play, but that's a big if; even then, his rather mediocre, balanced stats will make him difficult to use in comparison to other useful bulky waters like Slowbro, and even then, Hydro-resting on a pokemon with nothing more than mediocre defenses may end up being rather useless, especially considering his tiny movepool.

I know this isn't exactly a discussion about his viability in standard, but I thought I'd inject my opinion in it anyways.
 
Didn't the last phione discussion get locked because of it's inferiority to manaphy? Even if manaphy becomes uber, phione does not learn tail glow. That means it has no hope of ever doing well in standard. (I dont think tail glow would have made a difference reguardless) As an UU pokemon, it could possibly do quite well. I beleive that energy ball would be a superior choice to grass knot since most heavy pokemon are in standard and very few are in UU. That's just my 2 cents.
 
SePh258 said:
Didn't the last phione discussion get locked because of it's inferiority to manaphy? Even if manaphy becomes uber, phione does not learn tail glow. That means it has no hope of ever doing well in standard. (I dont think tail glow would have made a difference reguardless) As an UU pokemon, it could possibly do quite well. I beleive that energy ball would be a superior choice to grass knot since most heavy pokemon are in standard and very few are in UU. That's just my 2 cents.
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BUt Phione doesn't learn Energy Ball ^^

What about this??

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Phione @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
EVs: 252 ATK, the rest in HP and some Speed in order to outspeed some that I can't think of =P
- Waterfall
- Return
- Rain Dance
- Rest

Keep it away from Skarmory and you shall be fine xP, use it along another Poke that could make good use of the Rain.
 
^^ It doesn't? Doesn't change too much, although it will hinder it's ability to be able to defeat another phione. Basically keep this thing out of OU, but it's fine in UU. (Gastrodon is the real thing I'm excited for in that format)
 
Edux said:
BUt Phione doesn't learn Energy Ball ^^

What about this??

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Phione @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
EVs: 252 ATK, the rest in HP and some Speed in order to outspeed some that I can't think of =P
- Waterfall
- Return
- Rain Dance
- Rest

Keep it away from Skarmory and you shall be fine xP, use it along another Poke that could make good use of the Rain.
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That's a cool set, but I'd U Turn over Return to 'Rain Pass', so to speak, and do damage at the same time.
 
This thing doesn't get any decent options, so at best it is a Water type Glalie. However, Glalie has one thing that Phione doesn't, and that is the ability to actually hit Empoleon with Earthquake / Hidden Power Ground.

In fact, Phione has no means of getting past Empoleon. Rotom can also fearlessly switch into a Hidden Power Ground / Return. Octillery resists 2 of Phione's moves, takes little damage from HP Ground, and Grass Knot has a small base power against him.

A HydrationSet would be the way to go, as this thing is outclassed in it's means by Gastrodon / Quagsire, so you'd best take advantage of what it has to offer. Manaphy looks better than this thing BTW
 
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