JOSHUA takes the uber tier by storm!

[Patriot JOSHUA]

-I've never played uber before (except with my mono-fighting team)

-I've never made my own stall team before (I copied someone's stall team when I first began playing OU and UU. I find it easier to learn a tier with a stall team)

-I've heard that pulling off a successful stall team in ubers is nearly impossible against competent foes.

-And I'm not too good at the game to begin with.

-So I decided what better to do than to turn the uber tier into my own stick of deodorant.

Here goes:

Forretress (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP/52 Atk/204 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Payback
- Spikes

Deoxys Speed are the common lead in uber. This set 2HKOs the common Deoxys lead, spins away the spikes, or sets up some of it's own. EV wise, this thing is set to take a special attack because it's defense is already high enough.

Jumpluff (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 188 Def/252 Spd/68 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Encore
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
- Sleep Powder

I've heard this thing is pretty good in-chat. I took it for a test spin and it seems that Substitute's PP lets it down more than the Sleep Powder accuracy. If the opponent has a recovery move this thing is useless. Any insight on proper usage of sub-seeding in ubers would be appreciated. The EVs are taken directly from the strategidex so I'm not sure if it is optimized for uber use.

Giratina @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP/252 Def/16 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I chose Giratina because it is common knowledge that Lugia, Blissey, and Giratina are the premier walls in uber. I opted for the CM set from the stratigidex because I am using Toxic Spikes which may make Will-O-Wisp's uses limited.

Groudon @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP/156 Atk/62 Def/40 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

I chose Groudon to help Jumpluff in it's sub-seeding and because Stealth Rock is so good. Dragon Claw is here to do some nice damage to the large amount of dragons in Ubers such as Latios and Latias, Rayquaza, and Garchomp. Earthquake is the most reliable STAB ground move Groudon has, so it's quite obvious as to why it's in this set.

Lugia @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 Spd
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Thunder Wave

Being completely unfamiliar with ubers, "Lugia" is who I think of when I see the words "uber wall".

This Lugia was mind's idea. If lokopoke remember correctly, this set helped him win the last Ubers Tour of this season. It really does work well. Thunder Wave and Calm Mind, along with Pressure as an ability can help Lugia set up instantly and begin to wall my opponent. Lugia also serves as the Pokemon used to counter Rayquaza and Groudon perfectly. Untill it sees a Rock Polish+Sword Dance Groudon.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 204 HP/252 Def/52 SAtk
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Seismic Toss
- Wish
- Protect
- Icy Wind

Icy Wind so that Garchomp basically loses it's Choice Scarf if it stays in, and also takes a decent amount of damage from it. Rayquaza becomes insanely slow, and allows my Groudon or Giratina-o to revenge kill it. Icy Wind also makes Mewtwo even less of a pain since I know it no longer has it's speed that makes Mewtwo the threat it is.

 

[tripe]

The forrtress lead isn't that great. Your plan to anticipate the taunt and 2hko Deoxys-S with Payback won't work, unless your opponent is an idiot. Deoxys-A packs fire punch to 2hko Forrtress. Kyogre will ohko Forrtress. Groudon is the only lead that'll aid you. Darkrai will use Forrtress as set up fodder, by tricking then dark voiding the switch in. Skymin will just flinch hax your lead to death. I suggest replacing your forrtress lead with Skymin as it can prevent entry hazards that can harm Jumpluff.

I see a massive weakness to DD Rayquaza, who's not that common, but is still seen. I recommend changing your Groudon's spread to 252 hp/216 def/40 SpD Impish, it allows you to sponge hits from DD rayquaza, and change Stealth rock to thunder wave, because the only thing decently fast on this team is Jumpluff..... I also recommend adding Scarf Palkia taking the place of Blissey to mitigate the DD Ray weakness as well. Palkia also benefits under the sun. I suggest Forrtress replacing your Lugia. Groudon and Palkia can take care of your dragon problems.

 

[locopoke]

tripe he's not DD Ray weak, he has Lugia... also I disagree that Forretress should be replaced with Skymin as a lead, that makes no sense at all. Forretress does a better job of keeping SR off the field which helps Jumpluff a lot (nobody likes taking 25% switching in). Also entry hazards are pretty much essential on a team with Jumpluff, without them there's no reason to even use her. Forretress should stay. He has Giratina(Gira-o if he decides to change it) to deal with Deoxys-f and Blissey who deals with Kyogre and Shaymin-S.

Anyway I don't see the point in Dark Pulse on Giratina, just use Dragon Pulse. You get STAB and hit the same things really. Though a viable option would be switching Giratina for CM Giratina-o, the Ground immunity can come in handy and you hit stuff a lot harder.

As for Blissey, I honestly don't know why you have Icy Wind there, it's a waste of a moveslot imo. If Garchomp stays in wouldn't you just want to kill it with Ice Beam rather than slow it down? You also claim that the only reason for having Icy Wind is to slow stuff down but if so then why did you invest Evs into SpA, you're not trying to kill anything. I'm gonna suggest using Bold and replacing IcyWind with Ice Beam or just using max hp/def Bold and using Toxic.


edit: forgot to mention

my CM Lugia description from this thread:

This Lugia was mind's idea. If I remember correctly, this set helped him win the last Ubers Tour of this season. It really does work well. Thunder Wave and Calm Mind, along with Pressure as an ability can help Lugia set up instantly and begin to wall my opponent. Lugia also serves as the Pokemon used to counter Rayquaza and Groudon perfectly.

yours:

This Lugia was mind's idea. If lokopoke remember correctly, this set helped him win the last Ubers Tour of this season. It really does work well. Thunder Wave and Calm Mind, along with Pressure as an ability can help Lugia set up instantly and begin to wall my opponent. Lugia also serves as the Pokemon used to counter Rayquaza and Groudon perfectly. Untill it sees a Rock Polish+Sword Dance Groudon.

what gives??

 

[tripe]

tripe he's not DD Ray weak, he has Lugia... also I disagree that Forretress should be replaced with Skymin as a lead, that makes no sense at all. Forretress does a better job of keeping SR off the field which helps Jumpluff a lot (nobody likes taking 25% switching in). Also entry hazards are pretty much essential on a team with Jumpluff, without them there's no reason to even use her. Forretress should stay. He has Giratina(Gira-o if he decides to change it) to deal with Deoxys-f and Blissey who deals with Kyogre and Shaymin-S.

If his Lugia spread was standard, I'd agree with you loco, but it isn't. It's to outspeed Garchomp, therefore sacrificing bulk, and taking :598 Atk vs 316 Def & 416 HP (120 Base Power): 316 - 373 (75.96% - 89.66%). That is standard DDRay's outrage to lugia, 100% chance of ohko with stealth rock up. I also recommended that he swap Lugia out for his forretress, and alter his groudon's ev spread to better take hits from Rayquaza. I also recommended Skymin to ensure at least a chance of those entry hazards of never appearing, which is good especially for this team.

 

[locopoke]

If you really feel that he has a DD Ray problem which he sort of does then I agree with you in giving Groudon more physical bulk, the spread i'd use is 252 HP / 60 Atk / 136 Def / 60 SpD with an Impish nature. This still lets him take physical attacks better but it also gives him some more attacking power to deal more damage to things in general. SD Ray is definetely more common than DD which is why I think it's important that his Lugia outrun Jolly Ray (and Garchomp). Forretress is a good lead and Lugia is nessecary so that stuff like SD Ray and SD Chomp dont completely run through his team once Groudon is down.