Just started shoddy battle... I have this team.

Nameless92145

Maybe it's my bad prediction skills, but my team has a lot of trouble right now, especially with dual screen stuff.

Weavile (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Ice Shard
- Pursuit
- Brick Break
- Night Slash

Choice banded lead. Weavile may not be the best lead, but I don't think anything else on my team leads that well either.
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Machamp (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
- Dynamicpunch
- Stone Edge

My sleep talker/attacker. No guard for accuracy, and this is just a fairly sturdy physical attacker.
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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Baton Pass

Kind of a mix between a tank set and a swords dance/baton passing set. Swords dance is mostly there between switches, and it makes it a secondary counter to Scizor. It also helps me kill off heracross should it run a swords dance set.
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Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 160 HP/220 Spd/128 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Recover
- Surf
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Beam

My rapid spinner. Surf for STAB, ice beam for salamence (though I can't really switch into it).
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Tangrowth (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP/228 Def/28 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Power Whip
- Leech Seed
- Sleep Powder
- Knock Off

My answer to gyarados. It's generally annoys stuff with the combination of sleep powder, leech seed, and knock off.
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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/36 Spd/60 SAtk/80 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Roost
- Thunderbolt

Scizor counter, also handles bulky waters since tangrowth is too slow and could get ice beamed. It also makes an okay shaymin-S counter.

There are probably some things people will realize immediately... from what I can already see after posting this team, I have no reliable resistance to dragon, which means draco meteor hurts a lot. The team lacks a special wall, and three pokemon share a nasty weakness to ice, among other things.
 
Instead of using CB Weavile, try a Focus Sash Weavile as a lead with SD. Also, u really need a mixed sweeper. Try Infernape over Machamp. Why not try a Celebi over Tangrowth so you can have a status absorber. Celebi is great for this because of natural cure and makes a great subseeder as well. A good special tank is Blissey. Bliss can use wish to heal your other pokemon while stalling with toxic at the same time. I love Bliss for that kind of purpose, and I highly recommend it. Put Bliss over Gliscor, you already have a better counter for Scizor. For your dragon problem, you can use Forretress as a rapid spinner and to put SR on the field, which is extremely useful. After Weavile dies, you dont have a reliable Skymin counter, try a modest scarf Zapdos with the following EV Spread: 146 HP, 112 Spd, to hit 396 speed, and 252 SAtk for the most power possible. Use T-Bolt, Heat Wave, U-Turn, to scout out your opponent, and HP Ice or HP Grass depending on which is a bigger threat to your team, Grass for Swampert, Ice for Salamence, which are both pretty big threats to your team.

How does your Gliscor kill off herecross? It doesn't have Aerial Ace.

Hope I could help!
 
Hawiian_Turtle said:
Instead of using CB Weavile, try a Focus Sash Weavile as a lead with SD. Also, u really need a mixed sweeper. Try Infernape over Machamp. Why not try a Celebi over Tangrowth so you can have a status absorber. Celebi is great for this because of natural cure and makes a great subseeder as well. A good special tank is Blissey. Bliss can use wish to heal your other pokemon while stalling with toxic at the same time. I love Bliss for that kind of purpose, and I highly recommend it. Put Bliss over Gliscor, you already have a better counter for Scizor. For your dragon problem, you can use Forretress as a rapid spinner and to put SR on the field, which is extremely useful. After Weavile dies, you dont have a reliable Skymin counter, try a modest scarf Zapdos with the following EV Spread: 146 HP, 112 Spd, to hit 396 speed, and 252 SAtk for the most power possible. Use T-Bolt, Heat Wave, U-Turn, to scout out your opponent, and HP Ice or HP Grass depending on which is a bigger threat to your team, Grass for Swampert, Ice for Salamence, which are both pretty big threats to your team.

How does your Gliscor kill off herecross? It doesn't have Aerial Ace.

Hope I could help!
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Okay, first of all, thanks for the celebi, infernape, and blissey suggestion; I think I'll give it a try, though I'll lose a bit of 'insurance' against tyranitar.

Secondly, how does a bulky zapdos not counter shaymin sky form? I can only think of seed flare and its 80% chance to sharply lower my special defense, but other than that Zapdos should be able to hold its own, as it resists the air slash+earth power combo and has heat wave to chip away at its HP.

Finally, Gliscor can still counter heracross to an extent since choice banders can't 3HKO with stone edge and the same stone edge still can't 2HKO after a swords dance; meanwhile, I can swords dance a couple of times and knock it out with earthquake.
 
Instantly one sees Skarm Bliss Troubles. You have nothing that can trap them or kill them, and you have no Mix Sweepers, which have the capability of taking them out either.

Second of all you are lacking "as you said" a Dragon resist which in today Metagame is pretty important with the high Kingdra and Salamence useage. Now, I don't really know what to suggest here, Bronzong could go somewhere (Perhaps over Tangrowth) but he wouldn't really be more means to an end than any other steel type.

I think this teams main problem is that it lacks a strategy. It looks like a few pokemon you have chucked together in a coulpe of minutes. I commend you for testing it and pointing out your issues with it, but you'd be better off making a new team, rather than wasting your time here in the RMT forums, because there is obviously quite a lot wrong with this team. Sorry for the Brutalness, but it's probably true.
 
well thelead could get some fixes
i suggest
weavile @ focus sash
JOlly
4Hp 252 Atk ,252 SPe
-Fake out
-Ice punch/ice shard
-pursuit/night slash
-brick break
fake out ruins sash yanmega lead and KO it with ice punch
 
Skymin could Airslash stall you, the only counter that really works Skymin is something faster than it because you won't get flinch haxed.

Yanmega usually does protect the first to get a speed boost. Weavile couldn't really do much to a Focus Sash Yanmega, unless Hypnosis misses.

Also, I forgot to tell you that you lack a Rapid Spin blocker to keep SR on the field. Try a Rotom-W if you use a Forretress over Starmie. Rotom-W can T-Wave and Dual Screen which gives your sweepers more time to set up. You could also use Trick, but Trick screws you over if not used with proper prediction.
 
Having no set up sweeper in any team thats not stall is a bad idea.
Deoxys-s almost rips through your entire team, also you need a metal. So add either Metagross / Bronzong. Excluding your lead, only one other pokemon has SR problems, so you actually don't need rapid spin on starmie. You can try LO suicune in there.
 
I think it's a good idea for a rapid spinner because what if the oppnent puts down Toxic Spikes or Spikes. The poison will limit your tanks stability, and your sweepers won't have as much of a chance to sweep.

Try No (Magnezone) Fear Forretress
Item: Leftovers
252 HP/ 96 Def/ 162 SDef
-Spikes/ Toxic Spikes/ Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Light Screen
-Rest/ Explosion/ Rapid Spin
In the last slot use what would help you out the most. I think it's best to use Rapid Spin because it prevents your other Pokes from getting repeatitive damage every time you switch to the appropiate counter or if you just lost a Poke and need to put on in.
 
Goldfan said:
Instantly one sees Skarm Bliss Troubles. You have nothing that can trap them or kill them, and you have no Mix Sweepers, which have the capability of taking them out either.

Second of all you are lacking "as you said" a Dragon resist which in today Metagame is pretty important with the high Kingdra and Salamence useage. Now, I don't really know what to suggest here, Bronzong could go somewhere (Perhaps over Tangrowth) but he wouldn't really be more means to an end than any other steel type.

I think this teams main problem is that it lacks a strategy. It looks like a few pokemon you have chucked together in a coulpe of minutes. I commend you for testing it and pointing out your issues with it, but you'd be better off making a new team, rather than wasting your time here in the RMT forums, because there is obviously quite a lot wrong with this team. Sorry for the Brutalness, but it's probably true.
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As I have said, I have just started shoddybattle, so I have no idea how to play. There has just been too much that has been added between third gen to fourth gen, as well as a whole handful of pokemon that are very hard to counter, and so many pokemon have to be countered. Right now, I'm just working to find counters to every pokemon; that's hard enough to do due to my lack of experience, and there are things that I have plain overlooked (like Deoxys-S)
 
Fair enough. One thing I would suggest is to read Great Sage's Guide to Team Building, ignore the "Know your options" section as it is a little outdated. The only way that you will "Know your options" is by PLaying The Platinum Metagame more. I would also suggest joinin ghte apprentice programme, or PMing some of the Tutors who may not have been assigned to someone to ask if they can Tutor you, because you wioll learn the game much better there than you will in the RMTs forum. I also suggest reading other RMTs possibly from well know players to see what works and what doesn't. Thats why I am currently hanging around the RMT section. To try to improve my game by looking at other peoples teams, and seeing how one might be able to help them. Either way, good luck with whatever you do!

The Guide
 
Nameless92145 said:
Right now, I'm just working to find counters to every pokemon; that's hard enough to do due to my lack of experience, and there are things that I have plain overlooked (like Deoxys-S)
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Give up. I will save you the trouble and tell you right now that it is impossible to counter every Pokemon and strategy out there. The metagame right now focuses on Heatran/Zapdos/Bronzong/Trick Scarf/Deoxys-E/Blissey/Scizor/Skymin/MamoSwine/Tyranitar

Those seem to be the top threats, and those Pokemon will be on almost every team you face.

It is better that you try and cover those threats first, before trying to counter random other threats. By countering those, most other Pokemon will also be taken care of indirectly.

Also in case you dont know Trick Scarf is a strategy in which a Pokemon holds Choice Scarf, and uses the move trick to put choice scarf on one of your Pokemon. Common Trick Scarfers are Gengar/Starmie/Rotom/Metagross. So make sure you have something that doesn't mind a scarf, and can prevent those Pokemon from doing any further damage to your team.
 
I dont think you are making the best use out of your baton passing gliscor. You are passing to a slow resttalker, a choicebander, and a tangrowth(who has 1 attack). In his place, I suggest using a trickzong. He can allow you to switch into dragon attacks, and do as you please. He can set up SR for you, trick a choice band, and explode.

Your team also has no revenge killers, so i would suggest a trickscarf gengar in place of weavile (but i would make zong your lead.) He effectively outspeeds basically every pokemon commonly used and he also messes up bliss, who thinks she can switch in no problem.

I would also switch stone edge for ice punch on machamp for type coverage reasons.
 
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