Kryuell's Rage in OU - DPPt RMT

Kryuell

Hey, i'm Kryuell. A lot of you know me for my awesome Absol sets, but recently i've been experimenting and pwning in the OU tier. I made this topic to show off some of my sets, to have my team rated/improved, and to give any readers ideas for their teams.

I have tested this team very well. At least 100 battles I would say. This team can even hold his own in the Uber tier. My win/loss/tie record is 59/13/0.

This team is dedicated to the band Rage Against The Machine, who make brilliant music and sing/rap about real world problems and issues.

Anyway, without further ado, Kryuell's Rage.

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Testify @ Focus Sash
Adamant Nature
Snow Cloak
EVs: 252Att / 252Spe / 4HP
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock
- Endevour

Sets up SR. Has the almighty sash, which isn't compramised by sandstorm or hail, since Mamoswine resists them both. Endevour works great with Focus Sash and Ice Shard, it helps Mamoswine beat thigns that he wouldnt normally defeat, and if a slow wall like Skarmory or Hippowdon comes in after, I can always Endevour them down to 1 health before gracefully fainting. Earthquake is powerful STAB move, used to to bash in those Tyranitars. Ice Shard is just extremely useful, with a nice STAB behind Mamoswine's belt, too.

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Guerilla Radio @ Black Sludge
Naive Nature
Inner Focus
EVs: 232Att / 252Spe / 26SpA
- Brave Bird
- U-Turn
- Heat Wave
- Roost

One of the fastest pokemon in the game and I just love the guy. Resists grass and fighting 0.25 (your welcome, Mamoswine) and is an amazing counter to Breloom, as soon as Suicune absorbs the sleep - Read below. Heat Wave OHKOs most foretress and scizor, and leaves nice dents in Skarmory. Brave Bird is just a powerful STAB move, which works well with Crobat's decent Attack stat. Excellent at countering Heracross, Breloom, and a few others like it. Roost is good to heal off damage, since Crobat is suprisingly un-frail.

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Know Your Enemy @ leftovers
Bold Nature
Pressure
EVs: 200SpA / 252HP / 56Def
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

My personal favorite status absorber and staller/tanker. The good thing about Suicune is Hippowdon can just try to Roar it away, especially with a +1 or +2 under Suicune's belt. If Mamoswine is still around, he helps me with the electric weakness, as does Crobat with grass. After a couple of Calm Minds, Suicune can even stall the likes of Zapdos and Togekiss! And anyone who can stall against x2 attacks must be pretty darn good. My main problem is Vaporeon, since Suicune can't harm him at all without struggling (luls) However, in late-game suicune can easily stall Vaporeon and pressure away his PP, forcing him to switch when Suicune has a +6 SpA and SpDef.

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Renegade @ leftovers
Adamant Nature
Inner Focus
EVs: 252HP / 200SpDef / 56 Def
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Fire Punch
- Roost

Dragon-Fire is great coverage, as there is nothing (bar Heatran) that can't be hit at least x1 by Dragonite. The purpose of this Dragoite is to sweep, and is bulky enough to set up +2 or +3 usually. With Roost, stalling HP ice has never been easier to do with a dragon. Thunder Wave and Will-O-Wisp seem to be Dragonite's biggest weaknesses, but at least Suicune can absorb the status.

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BulletInTheHead @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature
Technician
EVs: 252Att / 156HP / 56Spe / 44Def
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Superpower

Scizor really packs a punch. He always manages an SD, and (if my calculations are correct) Bullet Punch with STAB and Technician would do 90 damage. Plus Life Orb for an extra 27 damage, for 117 damage in total. Pretty powerful, huh? After an SD Superpower does 80-100% against most Skarmorys that I've battled. Nice defense and the EVs in HP allow him to set up a few SDs against Foretress, and superpower him, leaving Scizor with usually +3 or +5 attack. Roost has been tested and works well at healing LO damage, and keeping Scizor in the game for longer. The fire weakness is helped by Suicune and sometimes, Dragonite.

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Revolver @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
Levitate
EVs: 252SpA / 252Spe / 4SpDef
- Trick
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]


After a realisation that Trick teams gave me problems, I decided to try ScarfGar. With high Special Attack and good speed, he makes the perfect Scarfer. Also, passing off the Scarf is a great help against stallers. Tested him a few times and I win pretty much every game now. The moveset is a "Boltbeam" with the nice STAB Shadow Ball. Probably the best coverage possible with 3 moves.

Rules:
- If you can't rate, don't. Don't bother wasting my time if you suck.
- No taking it too far (I've had people suggest a completely different team before... don't...)
- I don't class Garchomp as uber personally, but don't suggest him since I normally go by Smogon tiers.
- I know this is for NB, but don't suggest using Hypnosis and Brave Bird on Crobat. It is actually impossible to do, and that is a glitch on NB.
 
Hi. The main issue that I can see here is that there's a bit of a lack of focus. Half of your team is bulky, and the other half is extremely frail, half of your team is based around setting up and sweeping, the other half does more or less nothing to help accomplish that. I think the best way to go with what you have is to make the team a bit bulkier so that it can take on the main threats properly while still being offensive.

Mamoswine is a great lead, but I don't think it's the best choice here. As I said, I think the way to go here would be to make it bulkier, and a great choice of pokemon to do that would be a Swampert. If you use a standard LeadPert with Ice Beam/Earthquake/Stealth Rock and either Protect or Roar, along with a Relaxed nature and 252 HP/200 Def/56 Sp Def, then Swampert will be able to deal with most of the leads that Mamoswine does, as well as being more useful later on. Swampert also helps you to deal with quite a few of the pokemon that would otherwise give you trouble.

Crobat is a pretty unusual choice, but it's not a bad idea here, as you need something to help deal with fighting-types. However, a better set would be Taunt/U-turn/Brave Bird/Roost, which lets you use Crobat more defensively, which is going to be necesarry with this team. Taunt and U-turn will help out hugely against stall and other bulkier teams, as well as giving you the ability to prevent certain pokemon from setting up on you or recovering, which is incredibly useful.
If you're willing to drop Crobat, then Gliscor might be a better option, performing a similar role, but sacrificing Crobat's speed for better typing and defenses. This is the set that I'd use.

On Suicune, you should go with 252 HP/252 Def/4 Speed. The additional Defense EVs help out hugely in taking hits, and losing the Sp Atk EVs isn't a huge issue, as Suicune is still going to sweep if it gets a chance to get a few Calm Minds, and CroCune is very rarely going to sweep with a single Calm Mind.

Currently, your team is going to really struggle to deal with a decent stall team, as they can easily wall your entire team without too much effort, meaning you're going to have to rely on Suicune as your last pokemon to sweep, which isn't a very reliable strategy. Going with a mixed set on Dragonite would be a good fix. With a Rash/Mild nature, an EV spread of 56 Atk / 252 SpA / 200 Spe, and Superpower/Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Roost, Dragonite can tear apart stall teams if you use it properly. Losing the ability to set up and sweep isn't a huge issue, as you still have Scizor and Suicune to do that with, and making Dragonite into a wallbreaker means that your team is better suited to setting up a situation for them to do so.
Alternatively, you could try a MixMence instead of Dragonite. Salamence is more powerful in general, and is more effective against non-stall teams due to the increased speed, Intimidate, and the additional Special Attack, but either of them works, and Dragonite still has the advantage of having Superpower.

On SD Scizor, I wouldn't use Pursuit. With that EV spread and Life Orb, Pursuiting pokemon like Latias is too risky, and even if you manage to Pursuit them, your main sweeper's going to be left with barely and HP, meaning it's incapable of sweeping. Roost or X-Scissor would be a better choice, with Roost giving Scizor increased survivability, and X-Scissor giving a more powerful attack and better type-coverage.

While a Choice Scarfer in the final slot is more or less a necessity for this team, I don't really thinkg Porygon-Z is the best choice of one. Currently, your team is really lacking in something that can take dragon-type attacks, as Scizor can't really switch in more than once due to its Life Orb, so a Choice Scarfed steel type would be a perfect fit.
There's two real options for a good Scarfed steel here, with the obvious one being Heatran. If you go with a Naive nature and Fire Blast/Earth Power/HP Electric/Explosion, Heatran will cover most of the remaining threats for you nicely, while still being very useful outside of revenge killing. Heatran's great typing will also be extremely useful in helping the rest of the team to take hits.
Another option would be a Jolly Jirachi with 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe and Iron Head/Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/U-turn, which covers Salamence, Gyarados and Latias nicely to name a few. U-turn and Scarfed Iron Head are extremely useful outside of revenge killing, and Jirachi is a great utility pokemon. There's also the option of going with Trick over Ice Punch or U-turn to help you deal with stall, although I'd only do that if stall still turns out to be a real problem.

That's pretty much all I can come up with for the moment, if you make any changes, then feel free to let me know and I'll take another look. Otherwise, good luck!
 
Whew! that was a long post to read mate, but the advice is appreciated.

Firstly, my Suicune needs no more defense, thanks to his main physical weaknesses being Thunderpunch and Seed Bomb (which, i'm sure you'll agree do mediocre damage) And since Surf is Suicune's only aggressive move, I'm going to need a nice SpA stat, especially for when Suicune has to stall Blissey.

I like the advice on Scizor. He is really useful but doesn't last too long in battle, so I'm going to ditch Pursuit and run Roost instead. Thanks for that.

The advice on Mamoswine just doesn't work for a few reasons. The first reason being that Swampert doesn't have a priority move like Ice Shard, has less Attack and Speed (Mamoswine does get some nice sweeping opportunities despite 259 speed) and not to mention that Mamoswine can set up SR easily, thanks to his better speed and sash. I'm going to stick with Mamoswine for now. He has been tested countless times and falls mainly to the hax-Jirachi and Fake Out Infernape, but that's pretty much it, otherwise he works amazingly well.

And what exactly do you mean by saying that my team can't handle stall teams? How about backing such a claim with evidence. Dusknoir, Weezing, Bronzong and Regice (and a few others) don't stand a chance against Suicune, as I can just rest away status and keep gaining SpA and SpDef boosts. And you say that if I do this with Suicune, it isn't a good strategy to run on... why is that? I don't know about you, but I think out-stalling someone and raping with +6 Surfs is a good thing.

I may run Taunt on Crobat, since I do get a lot of pokemon trying to set up on him. Thanks for that one.

Also, which pokemon would you call frail? Perhaps Porygon-Z, but that's about it. Scizor, Dragonite, Suicune and Mamoswine are great at taking hits, they are far from frail. Crobat's defenses aren't too shabby either.

I don't get why you are so against Scarf-Z, witht he download ability he has the potential for +1 SpA and +1 Speed, just upon entering battle, no set up required.

Finally, (I should have mentioned this in the main post) , but I won't even consider putting a Jirachi or Celebi in my team. I just beleive that they are stallers/sweepers for retards, and any idiot can use one. Scarftran wouldn't be a bad idea, since that would only be 1 weak to ground in the entire team, and Suicune is more than capable of walling those strong water attacks.

I don't mean to poke insults at the way you rate teams, after all, you did make some good suggestions. But when you give me entirely new pokemon and entirely new EVs and movesets it doesn't even feel like my team, and it takes me out of the comfort zone of knowing my team, and it also messes up some of the typing I planned, compramising the team's ability to resist certain attacks.



**EDIT Roost on Scizor works great, but Crobat's Taunt wasn't as effective as Confuse Ray was. Updating main post now. Also tested a Modest ScarfTran, then a Timid one.
 
How about a Magnezone in the last slot? It will help your Dragonite, and to a lesser extent your Suicune, sweep more easily. Steels will often try coming in to take a Dragonite Outrage and Magnezone could trap and KO them. Also Magnezone could easily revenge-kill a Heatran that is locked into Dragon Pulse with a Choice Scarf and has just KOed your Dragonite. Steel types also can stop a Suicune sweep by coming in and Exploding on Suicune, and Magnezone could trap and KO them first. Magnezone would also let Dragonite run the stronger Earthquake over Fire Punch because Magnezone could trap and OHKO Skarmory (less than a third of all Skarmory used Shed Shell last month). One problem with switching Porygonz to Magnezone is that it would leave you vulnerable to a Gyarados sweep. You might have to change Crobat to something else since Crobat is doing the least for your team right now and doesn't support the other members much.
 
I like the Magnezone suggestion, and to eliminate the Gyarados threat, I can make a ScarfZone. I'm not big on the idea of making him Naive and wasting his large SpA stat, but I will need the speed since Magnezone isn't exactly the fastest. Naive nature oesnt compramise Explosion's power.

Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Naive nature
Magnet Pull
EVs: 252SpA / 252Spe / 4Att
- Thunderbolt
- Signal Beam
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Explosion

I don't use Magnezone very often, so if this set can be improved please say something. HP Ice will help me against some Dragons, Thunderbolt is obvious, Signal Beam will help vs celebi and Explosion is... well... explode stuff.


Just a pointer, but from my experience in NB and a bit of wi-fi, not many people use Earthquake on Gyarados anymore. It's usually DD, Waterfall, Stone Edge, and perhaps Taunt, Rest or even Bounce. Although I do see some earthquakes, it is better to be safe than sorry.
 
This team is unique and interesting and that probably is a major contributor to its success. First and foremost praise.

I adore the inspired use of Crobat who is simply one of my favourite pokemon and what an innovative set to boot, although i do have some qualms with the set. Confuse Ray being the move in question. Crobat has an excellent movepool, in that slot i would prefer either Taunt/Roost or my personal favourite HP Ground. Hp Ground will definitely help with Heatran and open up a Scizor sweep when it is not scarfed.

Also consider Naive on Crobat surely its more important to take physical hits with it particularly when you have Dragonite for special attacks.

OK im gonna ignore Dragonite and Suicune because if those EV spreads work then there is not point in changing them and you obviously arent prepared to change them.

Moving on i suggest you sort out what type of SD Scizor you want. There are two roots to go down in this regard.

The more bulky spread of 200hp/252atk/56spe (Leftovers) Roost/Bullet Punch
SD/Superpower

or the Offensive set

24hp/252atk/232spe (Life Orb) Quick Attack/Bullet Punch/Superpower/SD

Take your pick.

Finally Pz has to go. I have two suggestions for that slot either a scarfTran. as a general lucario INfernape check and other fast frail things check. So the other suggestion is actually a Physical Mix Infernape. This team kinda requires a stall breaker. Infernape is defnitely equipped to handle stall and hopefully pave the way for your other sweepers.

This is the set:

Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk/232 Spd/24 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spe, -SDef)
- Overheat
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Mach Punch

This will work well. The key to why this set is so useful is because of Mach Punch which takes out anything that may threaten the team eg. DD TTar, Lucario and Empoleon. Of course it can also beat stall.

Good luck with the team and i hope this helps.
 
About you having stall trouble - a standard stall team would be Hippowdon, Blissey, Celebi, Forretress, Gyarados, Rotom. In order for Suicune to beat stall, it has to be the last pokemon, in which case Celebi can simply use Perish Song to take it out before it can do anything. The only stall teams that you stand any chance against whatsoever are those without Celebi, which can still beat Suicune by avoiding letting you get into a last pokemon situation and using Roar/Whirlwind to take out Suicune, seeing as it's going to be taking 37% every time it switches in.
 
The reason for my Scizor having life orb and Roost is so that he can still do good damage, and heal off damage done by LO. In my experience it works, although it may be smart to change the speed EVs to 56 and use the spare EVs on Defense. I'll experiment with the EVs then. (The reason I stick with Life Orb is so that he can definately 2HKO Skarm after 1 SD)

I like the infernape set, but I'm going to go with HP ICE -> Stone Edge. This will help me agaisnt Flygon, Salamence and Gliscor (since Gliscor can still blow large chuncks outa Suicune thanks to SD and stabbed EQ, and Salamence/Flygon's outrage is pretty deadly)

Also please justify getting rid of Porygon-Z. Even if the infernape is good, I would like a better reason than "he has to go". Z has amazing special coverage and the download ability gives me +1 sometimes.

Finally, I gave Crobat Roost. Heatran does nothing to my team as it is.
 
Because pz cant do anything to stall and its walled by most things in the metagame (steels) unless it gets lucky with tri attack and statuses x. It also offers nothing in terms of synergy and alot of fast scarfers outspeed it anyway but by all means keep it.
 
You are extremely weak to Specs Jolteon because with the plan you posted Mamoswine won't be around to take Tbolts, and Electric resists Steel meaning Scizor won't take her quick enough.

Sorry if this was already said (don't want to read all that) but a Choice Scarfer is essential for this reason. Dragonite is a little too slow without a plus speed nature so it will have to be Infernape. Maybe Suicune because he barely out speeds +130's with a Modest nature, but that would be weird and somewhat weak.
 
Well, my Scarf-Z with HP Ground (the set I had originally) would have killed Specs Jolteon and ScarfTran, but someone wanted to get rid of it....
 
Pollux-Castor said:
You are extremely weak to Specs Jolteon because with the plan you posted Mamoswine won't be around to take Tbolts, and Electric resists Steel meaning Scizor won't take her quick enough.

Sorry if this was already said (don't want to read all that) but a Choice Scarfer is essential for this reason. Dragonite is a little too slow without a plus speed nature so it will have to be Infernape. Maybe Suicune because he barely out speeds +130's with a Modest nature, but that would be weird and somewhat weak.
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You might want to actually read the team before you post. Right lets look at the pokemon that can reliably switch into SpecsTeon Mamoswine for one and Ice Shard will do a a lot. Crobat is faster or will speed tie whilst Brave Bird does a load and Dragonite can roost off Tbolts using its excellent sp.def and Scizor BP can revenge a weakened Jolteon and it will be weakened. Now lets look at this in another way how does Jolteon come in against this team without losing a significant amount of its health especially when this team doesnt have a single electric move. Jolteon is evidently not a problem.

Kryuell said:
Well, my Scarf-Z with HP Ground (the set I had originally) would have killed Specs Jolteon and ScarfTran, but someone wanted to get rid of it....
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Seriously i'm getting sick of your attitude if you dont want help then you can leave. This sort of comment is unnecessary, just be polite. You also said you dont have "Heatran problems" and I have explained above why you dont have SpecsTeon weakness.
 
My apologies then. I have a sarcastic personality but that doesn't mean I don't want help.

Seriously, you've given some good tips, cheers.

I've been experimenting with an Absol that is great to come in on those frail Scarf/Specs/Band users and sucker punch them. He is also made to be faster than Jolly Breloom (most people tend to think Breloom is faster because most Absols are adamant)

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Wake Up @ Expert Belt
Naive Nature
Super Luck
EVs: 188 Atk / 216 Spd / 104 SAtk
- Aerial Ace
- Sucker Punch
- Superpower
- Thunderbolt

Thunderbolt is for Gyara (Absol also outspeeds adamant Gyarados before any DDs) and since Thunderbolt is rare on Absol I shouldnt have to worry about Electivire or Jolteon switches. Sucker Punch is just a lifesaver and Superpower owns Blissey and Tyranitar and freinds. Ariel Ace is for grass types, especially Breloom.

I know I already have Bullet Punch and Ice Shard as priority moves in my team, but another priority move never hurts, it works great at making sure that DD-ers don't sweep my team.
 
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