Latias (Anti-Lead)

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Hello, this is a great Anti-Lead set that I have used for Latias.

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-Trick
-Draco Meteor
-Hidden Power (Fire)
-Psychic
Choice Specs
Timid
252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 Hp


-Trick-Specs Latias means that Trick-Scarf Azelf doesn't destroy this set.
-HP Fire and Psychic kills Anti-Lead Machamp. Also it hits Rosearade very hard.
-Hidden Power Fire hits Abomasnow and Foretress along with Scizor for OHKOs.
-Tricking the Specs can be used late game to break other walls.
 
HP Flying isn't worth hitting Machamp/Roserade, you hit hard enough with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor if you decide to put those on. Shadow ball is OK, but I think T-Bolt or maybe even HP Fire for the occasional Scizor would work better, since once again, Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse will be denting everything that doesnt resist it. Maybe this?

Latias @ Choice Scarf
nature : Timid
evs: 252 Spe / 252 SpA / 4 HP

~ Trick
~ Thunderbolt (or HP Fire)
~ Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
~ Surf
 
@ CHENN Well HP Flying OHKOs and there is no actual reason to use Thunderbolt so it isn't used on the set. I also tested Thunderbolt but it's usefulness was limited on this set.

@ Eric I can hit Abomasnow with it.
 
I'm going to say no on this set. It doesn't have a STAB move first of all. Second Hidden Power Flying is a bad move on Latias - Psychic hits both targets you mentioned harder. And Psychic is besides the point, because Latias should be using Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor, both of which I'm sure will 2HKO Azelf anyway, and actually hurt Swampert. Besides, a Choiced Latias with two moves resisted by Dark is just asking to get Pursuited early game. There are better ways to be using Latias.

@ Eric I can hit Abomasnow with it.
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Psychic x STAB (95 x 1.5) = 142.5
HP Flying x Super Effective (70 x 2) = 140

Psychic is stronger
 
"awesome"

Why do we need another anti-lead that:

- Can't set up SR.
- Can't stop other leads from setting up SR.
- Doesn't have any power.
- Doesn't have any mid-lategame utility.
- Doesn't have Dragon STAB on a Dragon Mon seriously wtf =(

I cannot object to this set enough. People are going way, WAY overboard with this whole "anti-lead" thing. If it doesn't help the team midgame, and it doesn't stop stuff from setting up SR, and it doesn't set up SR itself, don't even bother posting it.
 
Sprinkles said:
uh i see no way this will work at all......... latias has tons of superior options
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Latias does but the thing is that It can throw many people off guard and has a great movepool to counter many of the common leads. Latias has other option. But they are not "superior" you cannot compare the sets together. They have completely different roles in a team.


Zach said:
I'm going to say no on this set. It doesn't have a STAB move first of all. Second Hidden Power Flying is a bad move on Latias - Psychic hits both targets you mentioned harder. And Psychic is besides the point, because Latias should be using Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor, both of which I'm sure will 2HKO Azelf anyway, and actually hurt Swampert. Besides, a Choiced Latias with two moves resisted by Dark is just asking to get Pursuited early game. There are better ways to be using Latias.
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STAB isn't necessary. The point is to KO a Lead before it can set up Rock or disrupt the team. In fact Shadow Ball OHKOs TrickScarf Azelf.

Seven Deadly Sins said:
"awesome"

Why do we need another anti-lead that:

- Can't set up SR.
- Can't stop other leads from setting up SR.
- Doesn't have any power.
- Doesn't have any mid-lategame utility.
- Doesn't have Dragon STAB on a Dragon Mon seriously wtf =(

I cannot object to this set enough. People are going way, WAY overboard with this whole "anti-lead" thing. If it doesn't help the team midgame, and it doesn't stop stuff from setting up SR, and it doesn't set up SR itself, don't even bother posting it.
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It does have mid-game utility killing ScarfTar and Walls like Blissey. It has power being able to kill many things and @HKOing Scizor. In fact it wrecks Scizor by Tricking a Scarf on to it.
 
Uh STAB is Totally nescessary on a Dragon type poke because of the power it brings and the Coverage. HP flying isin't doing jack shit here and what ever it hits, Latias's STAB moves hit harder. ( Plus, Your commont on Hp flying hitting Machamp and Rosearade, Psychic does more then it so even more reasons it's waste of space). Your " Stab isin't nescessary" commont shows just how much of an inexpericened battler you are. ( I don't even play though but i can see bad players when i see them)
 
This set isn't as "horrible" as you make it out. Yes, it needs a major revamp, but it can obviously be done within the same topic. No use making 2 topics for 1 goal.

This is from a cursory glance, but I think the main thing is this thing NEEDS a better move set. Trick / Draco Meteor / Psychic / Filler is what I'm thinking. Filler could be Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire. Surf can also work, but either way Latias is doomed by Tyranitar. To be fair on the set, it can at least cripple the Anti-Leads to some extent. If it even beats a lead, you know that Scizor is coming. The obvious choices it will do is either U-turn or Pursuit, so you could get an early bang by sending out something else if it's locked onto Pursuit.

As for "it doesn't stop rocks", not every anti-lead "stops Stealth Rock" either. It can at least deter it perhaps, but most players will just Stealth Rock on Turn 1 with things like Aerodactyl vs. Machamp.

I'm not going to say the words "this set rox my socks", but it definitely deserves to be fairly trialed since minor issues such as the moveset can easily be fixed.
 
This set does not need a spot on-site at all. Psychic can't OHKO Machamp who KOs back with Payback + Bullet Punch. Trick can lock a lead onto SR, but so can any Pokemon who learns Trick, and then they switch out with a revenge killer now, and you're stuck with unboosted Latias attacks (none of which are even her best attack options). Also, Scarf Psychic with so many Pursuit TTars around? No.

Edit: nvm, you added Draco Meteor. Still a no from me though.
 
Specs Psychic OHKOs Machamp 100% of the time, but honestly this isn't worth it because over 40% of the time, a ttar or scizor will be right behind to KO you. A much more threatening dracometeor almost never KO, unless modest, and it isn't certain. Then you are settup fodder. Most the the stuff you KO has a sash anyway.
 
-Trick-Scarf Latias means that Trick-Scarf Azelf doesn't destroy this set.
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Cool, it beats a lead that's very rarely seen (Focus Sash/Light Screen Azelf are more common)
-HP Fire and Psychic kills Anti-Lead Machamp. Also it hits Rosearade very hard.
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252 Timid Choice Scarf Latias Psychic
vs. 4/0 Timid Focus Sash Roserade : 96.9% - 114.5%
vs. 240/16 Adamant Leftovers Machamp : 77.2% - 91.3%
Ok so Roserade has a chance of surviving WITHOUT Sash while Machamp survives and KOes you back with Payback + Bullet Punch. Roserade can Sleep Powder you and proceed to set up Toxic Spikes anyway.
-Hidden Power Fire hits Abomasnow and Foretress along with Scizor for OHKOs.
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Cool you beat Abomasnow while Forretress isn't a common lead and you have to predict that and Scizor's switchins or get owned because you used Draco Meteor/Psychic
-Tricking the Scarf can be used late game to break other walls.
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Oh you mean after you somehow manage to escape Scizor/Tyranitar's Pursuits? Cool.
 
supermarth64 said:
Cool, it beats a lead that's very rarely seen (Focus Sash/Light Screen Azelf are more common)

252 Timid Choice Scarf Latias Psychic
vs. 4/0 Timid Focus Sash Roserade : 96.9% - 114.5%
vs. 240/16 Adamant Leftovers Machamp : 77.2% - 91.3%
Ok so Roserade has a chance of surviving WITHOUT Sash while Machamp survives and KOes you back with Payback + Bullet Punch. Roserade can Sleep Powder you and proceed to set up Toxic Spikes anyway.

Cool you beat Abomasnow while Forretress isn't a common lead and you have to predict that and Scizor's switchins or get owned because you used Draco Meteor/Psychic

Oh you mean after you somehow manage to escape Scizor/Tyranitar's Pursuits? Cool.
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Am I using Scarf?
 
Meh Colonel I think you can just shut this down. Most likely it's not going anywhere anyways.Irequest that this topic is locked as for the reasons above.
 
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