Lets Get Dangerous - Ubers RMT!

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Because I Piss Off Mystica On Purpose And People Get A Laugh Out Of It.

Okay so I got a bit of an initiation into ubers by KinglerDude, no nothing sexual. Anywho I'm trying to understand the concept of battling in ubers and have devised this team. Here it is, my main team.


Up first...
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The Opposite Of Good (Deoxys-f) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/184 Spd/72 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
- Superpower
- Grass Knot

Dumb Deokishishu!
- Super lead! I should get max use out of this as a lead.
- When Jirachi comes in, its going to get hit for at a good chunk of damage.

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Up Next...

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Kyogre Spelled Wrong (Kyogre) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 240 HP/244 Def/24 Spd
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Why Kyogre?
-Kyogre provides a necessary resistance, Ice. Allowing me to absorb Ice Beams from various ubers and absorbing status. I love that shit son.
-Changing the weather is important to me since I don't want my opponent having an advantage.

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Now lets get dangerous...

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And I Ran (Groudon) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Drought
EVs: 56 HP/252 Atk/144 Def/56 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Polish

Why Guradon?
-Obviously one of the best physical attackers to have. The EV spread has been altered to take hits from other physical attackers. Hrmm, Metagross, Tyranitar, Rayquaza.
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We're headed into noob territory now...
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No.1 Rock Song (Metagross) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/236 Atk/20 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit
- Ice Punch

Metagarassu!
-Secondary physical attacker. Lati@s stopper?
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Here I Come Again...

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Manic Mondays (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Brick Break
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Thunder

Dialga is a player because:
-Mixed sweeping fun!
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The star of the team!
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Mystica (Latias) (F) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 128 HP/188 Spd/192 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Safeguard

Why diva supreme?
-Comes in rather easy on Kyogre. "Nuff said.
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When we battled I didn't notice this but I would go Focus Punch on Darkrai over calm Mind. It will allow you to do something big behind that sub and knock out blissey.

On Dialga I actually prefer running a Mild Nature and 120 Speed EVs. This can allow you to beat all other dialgas and some other base 90 speed pokemon.

So when that cocky Choice Specs Mewtwo sees he only deals 40ish percent to you he panics!
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I was owned there I was expecting to 2HKO you. Blissey looks fine, however you will want some special defense invested. Because if they have their choice scarf Kyogre in reserve they 2HKO with water spout. Make sure that does not happen.

I am not a huge fan of toxic lugia as it could run whirlwind over toxic and blissey could then use toxic. it looks fine though and I am glad to see you went with reflect.

I like the team, and hopefully it works for you. If not I would be glad to help again and make it even better, but it looks great right now.

Edit:
Hopefully I have a Sub Up before the player sends in Mewtwo.
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Haha don't underestimate SpecsMewtwo Sucka =)
 
I'd give Darkrai Taunt. It's helped me more than Sub. Taunt stops CM Kyogre, Giratina, CMBliss and alot more. Substitute doesn't really help unless you're sub-punching.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I will be running SubPunch Darkrai. I am looking to add in Rayquaza to null out all field effects. Any ideas?
 
Ike and Tina said:
Thanks for the feedback. I will be running SubPunch Darkrai. I am looking to add in Rayquaza to null out all field effects. Any ideas?
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Lead with Groudon for the weather effect, give Dialga resttalk or bulk up for some late game fun and give rayquaza specs to replace Latios.

Btw, Darkrai is NOT the worst member in your team. It has saved me multiple times.
 
I noticed Darkrai and Latios are my best members. Once properly set up they sweep. Blissey is doing an excellent job. I've swept teams with it already ha ha.
 
Why have Brick Break with Dialga's lesser attack and at less power when you could have Aura Sphere? Is it for Blissey or something?
 
Shadow Claw hits Lugia, Mewtwo, Mew, Lati@s.
Stone Edge hits Rayquaza, again Lugia, and Ho-Oh.
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Why don't you just run Dragon Claw > Shadow Claw. Apparently it hits Lati@s harder and you have a more accurate option against Rayquaza (and Palkia). Shadow Claw has 140 BP against Mewtwo/Mew, EQ has 150
 
Jibaku said:
Why don't you just run Dragon Claw > Shadow Claw. Apparently it hits Lati@s harder and you have a more accurate option against Rayquaza (and Palkia). Shadow Claw has 140 BP against Mewtwo/Mew, EQ has 150
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I made a little comment about that a little under about DC > SC. Maybe you missed it.
 
Haha I'm glad I'm the star of the show!

Well one thing I see is that. You have nothing really to switch into Blissey that well. Kyorge can do alright, Deoxys f can't switch in. Just be careful of Twave and Toxic that hurts your team =(

I'm not sure why you have GrassKnot on Latias. Dragon Pulse does enough damage anyway. Consider Safeguard, Refresh or even Toxic.

Raqyaza sweeps this team after 1 DD. Make sure to keep that focus Sash on Deoxys!
 
My bad lol

Now let's see some team weaknesses shall we?
1) Heracross: Bug + Fighting rips your team apart. Might not be too much of a threat because its kinda rare, though
2) Latias: Ugh she is a pain. Coming in on Dialga's NVE moves or Kyogre, this can cause such a pain you won't forget for the rest of your life. She can survve a Specs Draco with 2 CMs. Beware
 
Alright, my first attempt at an AldaRate.

1. Team Type

Your team is pretty offensive in nature, even your defensive "wallish" pokemon like Dialga and Latias all pack a punch after setting up and turning into viable offensive threats.

2. Type Efficiency
Ghost - 3 Weaknesses, 1 resist.
Dragon - 1 Weakness, 0 resists.
Dark - 3 Weaknesses, 1 resist.

3. Offensive Threats:
Metagross - Metagross can come in and "trap" Latias and Deoxys (if only in the sun). Pursuit ensures they don't switch out whilst Meteor Mash/Bullet Punch won't be letting them stay in.

Deoxys-F - Offensive teams always have a problem with this. Variants that run Grass Knot/Superpower/Shadow Ball/Ice Punch can literally OHKO and outspeed everything on your team short of your own Deoxys.

Latios - Draco Meteor coming off 540 SpAtk OHKOs everything on your team when switching in. Your only chance in beating it is, revenge-killing with your Latias, by CMing up after it's first SpAtk drop.

Shedinja - Shedinja walls 4/6 of your team. The only two that can actually harm it (Groudon and Deoxys) will hate to switch in. If Deoxys switches in to anything other than a Swords Dance it'll be promptly destroyed. Breaking it's sash as it comes in then beating you down with Shadow Sneak. Groudon can take physical moves easily, but will hate to take a WoW.

4. Defensive Threats

As an all-out offensive team, you won't be walled too easily by any one pokemon but your lack of mixed, wall-breaking sweepers (besides Deoxys) really will force a lot of switches.

For example, Blissey walls Latias, Kyogre and Mewtwo quite easily. SToss breaks through your Mewtwo's Subs, it can paralyze Kyogre and chill Latias' speed with Icy Wind. All the while, Softboiling off any residual damage.

Lugia can take Groudon and Dialga without breaking a sweat. Outspeeding both, with no EV investment in speed (meaning even the slowest Lugia can outspeed you) will simply set up a reflect, phaze you away or just kill you with Ice Beam (in Groudon's case).

As mentioned before, Deoxys-F won't really be breaking into Metagross or other Steel-Psychics like increasingly popular Jirachi or Bronzong, especially if it isn't raining.

5. Substitutions/Significant Changes

For an offensive team to work, you need speed and wall-breakers. You have both in Deoxys, but the rest of your team falls a little flat. As both your Physical sweepers (Groudon and Dialga) require setup to work, i'd turn BU Dialga into a mixed sweeping threat considering you've already got a groudon as a set-up sweeper and latias as a sole-Dragon set-up.

This should work, taking out, Lugia (under rain), Blissey and those annoying steel-psychics (under the sun).

Manic Mondays (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP / 136 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet nature (+ SpAtk, -Spd)
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Thunder
- Brick Break

This will hopefully deal a lot better and cover those defensive threats. Also, i'd change Groudon's Swords Dance set to something a little more speedy fitting in with your Offensive team.

And I Ran (Groudon) @ Expert Belt/Life Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Atk / 56 Hp / 144 Def / 56 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw

EVs are configured to give Groudon, maximum attacking power, durable defences and the ability to outspeed Timid ScarfOgres, Hasty Deoxys-F's and a host of all other pokemon after just one Rock Polish. Expert Belt is better against Defensive threats like Lugia, Giratina and Latias whom get pelted with a bonus 20% power whilst Life Orb does better against a host of misc. threats like Mewtwo, Kyogre, Palkia and Blissey.

These changes, specifically those to Dialga will leave your team a little weaker to Latias who can outspeed and wall a wide variety Dialga, Kyogre and Deoxys while engaging your own Latias and Mewtwo in a CM Cold War, only decided by a critical hit. Give your own Deoxys Ice Punch to deal a swift OHKO to it. Adding to this, replace Thunder with Grass Knot so it can still prove a threat against Groudon.

Another ripple effect, of changing your Dialga's set, eliminates your primary status absorber. For this reason, i'd remove Kyogre's scarf and turn into a RestTalker with Surf and Ice Beam. This will add to your theme of walls that can attack. Ice Beam is chosen over Thunder, as Thunder is only really used against other Kyogre and Manaphy which Latias can deal with.

Kyogre Spelled Wrong (Kyogre) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rest
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Sleep Talk / Toxic

Your other special sweepers are still fast enough to put the enemy's team in pain. Kyogre can now take the role as both a status absorber and Darkrai counter and will be able to switch into Metagross' a little more easily. Toxic is an option against Shedinjas and Latias' that switch in hoping to wall you. Toxic messes both these counters up immediately killing the prior and hurting the durability of the latter

6. General Opinion

It's a solid offensive team, with packing both offence and defence. Hopefully the changes made will help you against the specific threats already outlined, whilst streamlining your team in general. Good Luck.
 
Thanks for the suggestions Train Man. I see Aeolus' post really made a difference.

Recently I have felt like Mewtwo is a weak point in the team. Besides out speeding Darkrai he really has not done much for me beyond that point. Perhaps I could replace Mewtwo for a more sturdy Pokemon and move Deoxys-A to lead?
 
Actually it was Aldarons =/

I would lead with deoxys and use maybe lugia or blissey.

Dare I ask why Dialga has choice specs?
 
Whoops. I was editing it in by hand instead of C+P.

I wouldn't exactly do Lugia because it gives me yet another Ghost, Ice, and Electric weakness. Blissey is cool. I might use it to Stealth Rock and Toxic. Bronzong could work I think.
 
Ike and Tina said:
Whoops. I was editing it in by hand instead of C+P.

I wouldn't exactly do Lugia because it gives me yet another Ghost, Ice, and Electric weakness. Blissey is cool. I might use it to Stealth Rock and Toxic. Bronzong could work I think.
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I use counter on Deoxys - FR. It works well against opponents who think they can get rid of your Deoxys easily.
 
Packing Counter and Focus Sash will helps your Deoxys-A agasint predator like Metagross who will use either bullet punch or pursuit to end your Deoxys-A's sweeping. To correct your team's DD Rayquaza problem, I'd add Metagross who survive Outrage from Rayquaza and OHKO Outraging Rayquaza with Meteor Mash, help against your team's Deoxys-A problem, still not gives Ghost and electric problem, and give crucial Dragon and Ice Resistance. Addition of Metagross is also helpful against annoying Toxic Blissey who can ruin your team. (You can pursuit and OHKO Blissey without Physical Defensive EV) Moreover, SD Groudon without salac berry isn't effective since many uber pokemon can outspeed it and ends its sweep. You can opt to use Rock Polisin version like Train Man post or you can use SubSalac Groudon which is much more effective than plain Sword Dance Groudon set since it solve the problem of Groudon outspeeded by ScarfOgre or another threat and beating Giratina without roar. I'd put Metagross over SubCM Mewtwo. However, that gives another Groudon problem though...... However, you can correct SD Groudon problem by making your Kyogre as Tankish and Bulky Sleep Talk version of Kyogre. In that way, you have sleep talker and solid Kyogre on your team. Also, I'd put Dialga Stealth Rock to correct Focus Sash Deoxys-A problem or just making him Mixed Dialga version. I totally agree your mewtwo doesn't do much on your team. If you still want to use Mewtwo, i'd say put Choice Scarf on your mewtwo since it can outspeed nearly much everything including Deoxys-A and Darkrai, still hit hard many Uber, and still revenge kill DD Rayquaza. (It helps out the fact that most of your sweeper require to set up to sweep)
 
Now a closer look into the team

Your team still runs into massive Latias problems, as Dialga won't cover it up. With decent offense and speed in your team (Kyogre, Groudon, Mewtwo, Deoxys, and the fact that Dialga and Latias can set up on stuff), you can remove Deoxys-A (for the record Ninjask still beats it because of Speed boost) and put in Tyranitar/Scizor/Metagross to help with the Latias and LOLSHEDINJA (seriously, it burns your Groudon and you can't switch Deoxys into Shedinja because of Shadow Sneak) weak. It won't cover your fighting weak, however (nothing can counter both fighters AND Latias at the same time). Scizor and Gross also provide your team with Dragon resistance, while TTar gives the Sandstorm for lulz if nothing else. I recommend the latter two.

Shifting Kyogre's nature to Timid helps against Adamant Rays. Also, make your Groudon a Bander when you're using it to counter Ray, as your moves won't OHKO otherwise.
 
Okay sorry guys for not updating the post with the fixed team.

I like your suggestions and will be running some of them.
 
Ike and Tina said:
Now lets get dangerous...

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And I Ran (Groudon) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Drought
EVs: 56 HP/252 Atk/144 Def/56 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Polish

Why Guradon?
-Obviously one of the best physical attackers to have. The EV spread has been altered to take hits from other physical attackers. Hrmm, Metagross, Tyranitar, Rayquaza.
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Good. You can pack SD Mew to your team back up Groudon Sweep but Mew doens't have insane offense and pretty bad defense for being Uber (Maybe It is I think she doesn't do much in uber metagame)... Or you can make him SubSalac Groudon but in that case you won't have Metagross, TTar counter......

We're headed into noob territory now...
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No.1 Rock Song (Metagross) @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/236 Atk/20 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit
- Ice Punch

Metagarassu!
-Secondary physical attacker. Lati@s stopper?
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I personally prefer EQ over Ice Punch because EQ deal good amount of damage to Palkia and Kyogre and STAB Meteor Mash most likely OHKO Outraging Rayquaza but Ice Punch ensure OHKOing Ray though. So it depends on you.

Here I Come Again...

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Manic Mondays (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Brick Break
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Thunder

Dialga is a player because:
-Mixed sweeping fun!
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Don't use Modest Nature on Mixed Dialga since it failed to 2HKO Blissey with brick break due to -Atk Nature. I think you post wrong nature though. Make him quiet or mild.
To correct your team's Mixed Dialga problem, it is possible to pack Earth Power and make him mild nature and give appropriate speed to outspeed Mixed Dialga.

The star of the team!
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Mystica (Latias) (F) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 128 HP/188 Spd/192 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover
- Safeguard

Why diva supreme?
-Comes in rather easy on Kyogre. "Nuff said.

You can opt to use Wishing Latias to heal off the your recovery lacking team since only Kyogre and Latias have recovering move.
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Your team is solid offensive team but your team has Mixed Dialga and focus sashing Deoxys-A problem so if it is possible put stealth rock. I am surprised your team become very solid team without that much problem: )
(Your team was solid before but now very solid and creative) I'd say make Groudon or Kyogre as lead and keep Deoxys-A at the end for surprise factor but it depends on you.
 
slayer124 said:
Your team is solid offensive team but your team has Mixed Dialga and focus sashing Deoxys-A problem so if it is possible put stealth rock. I am surprised your team become very solid team without that much problem: )
(Your team was solid before but now very solid and creative) I'd say make Groudon or Kyogre as lead and keep Deoxys-A at the end for surprise factor but it depends on you.
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Please don't quote the first post.

I have replaced a couple things on Deoxys-F or A or w.e you call it. I am currently considering Tyranitar over Groudon although the absence will really hurt. I might even run Bronzong over Tyranitar. Not sure yet where I want to go with the Pokemon that resists Ice and Dragon.
 
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