Let's Go Stoutland!

[Ikitaimu]

It's been a long time since I've been doing Pokemon like this, so bear with me here for this one. I've tested most of these Pokemon before, and it's been working pretty legit. Let's see how this goes:

At a glance:

I was looking around, and found the Pokemon Stoutland. Most people wouldn't even care about this Pokemon, but I noticed one of it's abilities: Sand Rush. I knew instantly that this is something I wanted to use. So first I needed something to set Sandstorm up:

Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def/ 68 Sp Atk/ 64 Sp Def
Hasty Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Crunch
- Superpower

Of course, what better sandstorm Pokemon than good ol' Tyranitar. Even without the sandstorm effect, Tyranitar is a beast. The damage this thing can do is incredible. It has a good enough Def and HP to set up the ever-so-helpful Stealth Rock first turn if need be. Crunch is a good STAB move, and Fire Blast and Stone Edge are powerful moves for taking out a variety of opponents. Honestly, I haven't had much trouble with accuracy for these moves.

Stoutland @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Crunch
- Return
- Superpower
- Wild Charge

In a sandstorm, Sand Rush Stoutland can out speed pretty much everything. Return is a surprisingly powerful STAB move, which has done me very well in the past. Even with neutral damage, the already high attack plus Choice Band leave Return OHKOing more Poke's than you'd think, including Vaporeon. Crunch is there as another good move that covers Ghost types that Return won't hit. Wild Charge and Superpower add more type coverage with a beast attack that can tear opponents apart easily. A very strong Pokemon. With a mustache.

Next I decided to bring back one of my old favorites that I knew was strong, but hadn't used in a while:

Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Stone Edge
- Superpower

One of my personal favorites of all time. Man I love this thing. STAB Ice Shard can OHKO many pesky Dragon types, including Garchomp (which I hate with a passion). Also being a priority move, it makes up for Mamoswine's not-as-great speed. Earthquake is simply a strong move, plus it gets STAB. This is set is just incredible.

I noticed a large weakness to fighting types while making this team, so I decided to add...

Latias @ Leftovers OR Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock/Hidden Power Fire
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover

I've added Latias in by suggestion of Gary, I see why it's a good idea to include it in the team.

Next is a sweeper that I've used before that worked out tremendously. It's coverage is just great:

Genesect @ Expert Belt
Trait: Download
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- U-Turn
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Flamethrower, Ice Beam, and Thunderbolt on one Special sweeper. What more could you ask for? This set just covers so many types, this can sweep almost anything. Although this Poke isn't geared towards defense and may faint too quickly. I've found that Leftovers actually help more than it sounds like it would, and as long as it's not against a strong Fire-type, it can still last several turns against Pokemon that it doesn't already OHKO first.

Looking at the whole team so far, it has a few type weaknesses that I decided I needed to cover. I only had one slot left, and wanted a grass type and a fighting type. So the obvious solution:

Breloom @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk/ 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Swords Dance

Good ol' Breloom. This set covers the types left that I needed to, while not being completely offensive like most of the rest of the team. Toxic Orb and Poison Heal along with Drain Punch to keep up on the health, and Bulk Up to increase damage with Seed Bomb as well. I've been thinking about changing the EV spread because so far Defense isn't his thing, and it makes it harder to get the damage I want. It's also tougher not being faster than a lot of Pokemon.


So that's the team. Any suggestions you guys have are of course largely appreciated; just about anything is okay, as long as Stoutland stays in (he's the point of the team). I've been testing this team on Showdown and it's been going really good actually. I'll work on a threat list to see where the weaknesses lie. And now I got the pictures!

Thanks in advance, it's good to be back.

-Iki

 

[TheStriker]

Hi Ikitaimu

Sandslash is much better than Stoutland but because the team is built around it I don't want to change it. Solid team, I will want to make a really good set change Techniloom. Here is the set:

Breloom @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Nature: Adamant
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Spore
- Swords Dance

This set is much more effective than your set because your not running SubPunch with Poison Heal. This is really powerful. Spore something like Ferrothorn which is easy by switching in on leech seed, spore it or its switch, get one or two Swords Dance and sweep with Mach Punch - Bullet Seed. Bullet Seed hits an average of BP 120 with technician and this will be further boosted by STAB. Mach Punch reaches 90 BP which is decent that can OHKO SpD Heatran after one and Def after 2. Garchomp isn't OHKOed by one so its better to get two sword dance at most. Bulk is need because Ice Sharded would OHKO without it not mention you have nice resistances to Azumarill's Aqua Jet.

Another thing is to switch your current Genesect's set to Choice Scarf Set. This will make it an amazing revenge killer and by switching flamethrower to U-Turn you can scout with +1 which is awesome. With Choice Scarf you can run Rash Nature to boost his attacks to greater levels, so this is far superior. The last thing I would like to say is to change your Tyranitar's EVs to 252 HP / 124 Def / 68 SpA / 68 SpD. This gives it mixed bulk and a decent attack. Solid Team. Kepp up the Work! You will be good in no time!

 

[Gary]

Hey man!

Pretty decent team for your first attempt! Stoutland is very underrated in OU when partnered up with Hippowdon or Tyranitar. One big thing I noticed with your team is it's lack of a defensive backbone. Tyranitar is bulky, but it isn't the greatest when since it's typing leaves it weak to common threats such as Terrakion, Breloom, and Rain teams. It's also trapped easily by Dugtrio, and with T-Tar gone your team is very frail. My first suggestion to fix this is to replace your Tyranitar with a Defensive Hippowdon. Hippowdon tanks physical attacks MUCH better than T-Tar, and doesn't have a weakness to fighting types. Unlike T-Tar, he can restore damage deal to him with Slack Off, and can also deal back some pretty decent damage as well. He also carries Stealth Rocks as well, and in my opinion, he is the more viable Sandstorm setter in this very offensively based metagame.

Next you have an extreme weakness to Fighting types and sun teams. I would recommend replacing your Alakazam with Calm Mind Latias. Alakazam is very frail, but Latias isn't. At all. Latias' typing helps negate your weakness to both Rain teams and Sun teams a bit, and can be one of the most dangerous sweepers in OU if given the time to set up. She's only slightly slower than Alakazam, and she still takes care of Terrakion and Conkeldurr while out speeding and revenge killing pretty much any dragon in OU. I use this exact same Latias on my team, and it's working really well in this meta game.

A few nitpicks. Switch Genesect's Leftovers out for Expert Belt to maximize his coverage potential. Leftovers on a Genesect is pointless because he is so frail, that Leftovers takes away from his hit and run potential. Also change Mamoswine's nature to Adamant, because the only thing he is really out sped by without Jolly is other Jolly Mamoswine, and Jolly Breloom which rather rare.

Hope this rate helped! I may improve this rate later when I get to test it. Good Luck!

Sets:

SETS

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk/ 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock

Latias @ Leftovers OR Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock/Hidden Power Fire
- Dragon Pulse
- Recover

EDIT: I second TheStriker's suggestion for switching your current Breloom set for the Technician set. He's great for combating Choice Scarf Terrakion and even Kyurem-B with his priority boosted STAB Life Orb Mach Punch. Bullet Seed is a better Seed Bomb. Also, if two sweepers seem kind of redundant to you, you can either keep Alakazam or continue to use Latias, but with a more offensive set. Life Orb Latias. This set may seem out classed by Latios, but her bulk allows her to switch into moves and deal back the pain.

Alt. Sets

Latias @ Life Orb
Nature- Timid
EVs- 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Surf
-Psyshock
-Recover/HP Fire

OR the bulkier Life Orb set with less speed, but more bulk.

Latias @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 152 HP / 176 SpA / 180 Spd
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Recover
- Surf/Psyshock
- Hidden Power Fire

 

[Ikitaimu]

@TheStriker
Thanks! I'll try that Breloom out. I want to include U-Turn in Genesect's set, but not by taking out flamethrower. This move has come in handy many times, including against other Genesect's. I'll change the EV set on Tyranitar too, though. If I did change Stoutland to a Sandslash, what do you think that would look like?

@Gary2346
Thanks for rating! I'll try that Hippowdon as well. The only problem with the Latias is now I have 3 Pokemon left weak to Ice types (Latias along with Hippowdon if I go with Striker's suggestion and Breloom). EDIT: Woops that was your suggestion, lol. Never mind on that, but I'll work on these anyway.

I'll try working with these new Pokemon and see how they fit with the team. Thanks for the rates!

 

[Gary]

@TheStriker
Thanks! I'll try that Breloom out. I want to include U-Turn in Genesect's set, but not by taking out flamethrower. This move has come in handy many times, including against other Genesect's. I'll change the EV set on Tyranitar too, though. If I did change Stoutland to a Sandslash, what do you think that would look like?

@Gary2346
Thanks for rating! I'll try that Hippowdon as well. The only problem with the Latias is now I have 3 Pokemon left weak to Ice types (Latias along with Hippowdon if I go with Striker's suggestion and Breloom).

I'll try working with these new Pokemon and see how they fit with the team. Thanks for the rates!

You have a point with the weaknesses, however Alakazam is so frail that any non resisted move is going to take it out. If you still want to keep him, you could replace his Life Orb with a Focus Sash, so he can stay into things that can potentially OHKO him, but will allow him to take them out because of his Focus Sash. Magic Guard keeps him from being taken out by hazards, so he can potentially stay alive the rest of the match with 1 HP.

 

[dragonuser]

Hey,

This team looks pretty cool, but I do see ways to help improve it. First of all, you look extremely dependent on Sand always being up, but if the opponent has Rain/Sun up Pokemon like Venusaur and Tornadus-T become very dangerous. This weakness is further exploited by the fairly high usage of Dugtrio on both Sun and Rain teams meaning one bad prediction can result in the weather war being lost and those threatening sweepers being free to run rampant. To help with this I would recommend using Shed Shell on Tyranitar. This eliminates the fear of your weather starter being trapped, and sand being up constantly becomes much easier. I would also heavily recommend Gary's suggestion of Latias over Alakazam. In this metagame nearly all sand teams need at least 2 Water-Type resists, and Latias can help with that. Alakazam is also extremely frail, meaning it cant really take too many Fighting-Type attacks. Also while you prefer keeping Genesect all specially oriented, I think running U-Turn over Bug Buzz would be very beneficial. It gives you a lot of momentum, and being able to hit hard on both sides of the spectrum is helpful when you know they are going to send their Special (or Physical) wall in. If you make this change I would make Genesect a Naive nature, and but an Expert Belt on it. Like other users have said, Leftovers doesn't have too much use on Genesect, while Expert Belt can help you feign choiced items and can get some surprise KOs. Hope I was helpful, gl.

tldr:
Leftovers -----> Shed Shell on Tyranitar
Alakazam -----> Latias
Bug Buzz -----> Uturn on Genesect
Leftovers -----> Expert Belt on Genesect

 

[Ikitaimu]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions, I appreciate them all and they are all very good. I have changed many things with the individual Pokemon on the team, but I have decided to keep these 6 Pokemon for now. Latias and Hippowdon just didn't seem as effective as Alakazam and Tyranitar when I tried them on Showdown. But I will keep all of these in mind, as after a little bit more rearranging it could work better.

-Iki

 

[Gary]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions, I appreciate them all and they are all very good. I have changed many things with the individual Pokemon on the team, but I have decided to keep these 6 Pokemon for now. Latias and Hippowdon just didn't seem as effective as Alakazam and Tyranitar when I tried them on Showdown. But I will keep all of these in mind, as after a little bit more rearranging it could work better.

-Iki

Hey bro I just tested out your team finally. I actually prefer T-Tar on the team over Hippowdon, so stick with the suggestions dragonuser made about putting Shed Shell on your T-Tar. Genetrio teams, although less common then they used to be, can rip your team to shreds with T-Tar gone. I'd still recommend using Latias over Alakazam, because against weather teams, I've found it very hard to find a right time to switch in Alakazam. Latias however, can come in anytime and heal back the damage. You may prefer instant power over setting up, however trust me when I say this. It's a rookie mistake to create a super hyper offensive teams with no supportive defensive backbone, because although it works for some battles, when you get into battles with more experienced players with very well rounded teams, you'll find that their teams are ALWAYS more successful. Balance and patience is key, not all out power. Your team will become much more well rounded with Latias, as I've tested it out both Latias and Alakazam. However it's not my choice. Do what you think it's best for my team. Anyways... good luck mate! We should battle sometime.

Take a look at Rock Polish Genesect.

Expert Belt
Max speed and special attack
Timid/Modest Nature
-Rock Polish
-Giga Drain
-Flamethrower
-Ice Beam

It's seriously deadly and destroys everything. Even with an attack boost, Genesect has a massive special attack stat.

Although RP Genesect can pretty much succeed on every team, I'm not too sure if having three set up sweepers would work out too well. Latias and Breloom are already enough, and frankly Pure E-Belt Genesect works just fine on his team, and has more coverage.

 

[TheStriker]

@TheStriker
Thanks! I'll try that Breloom out. I want to include U-Turn in Genesect's set, but not by taking out flamethrower. This move has come in handy many times, including against other Genesect's. I'll change the EV set on Tyranitar too, though. If I did change Stoutland to a Sandslash, what do you think that would look like?
I'll try working with these new Pokemon and see how they fit with the team. Thanks for the rates!

Well, if you use Sandslash, it has better attcking moves. Earthquake can get past steels which Stoutland is jealous of. 110 Base Defense and immunity to thunder wave gives you a chance to come in on Resisted hits easily. Stoutland is crippled by Thunder Wave too. It also has Swords Dance, giving it a chance to sweep. He even has a much better physical movepool. This is probably why Stoutland dropped to RU, Sandslash.

 

[Ikitaimu]

Alright, I've taken in the suggestions, tested them out, and change many parts of my team.

@Gary
Man you are just awesome. Thanks for all the help with this. I might just have to take you up on the battle offer. Once I get a few more good teams down, just let me me know anytime.

@TheStriker
I'll try Sandslash out, see how it goes. It does cause the team to have 3 weaknesses to Water, Grass, and Ice (which is really not good). So we'll see how it goes.

 

[TheStriker]

Here is Sandslash Set:

From Bulbapedia

Sandslash @ Expert Belt / Life Orb / Leftovers
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- X-Scissors / Brick Break
- Swords Dance