Looking for a great garchomp killer

Lady_Lyndis

I'm trying to think of something that can REVENGE kill garchomp. Can anyone think of a pokemon that can survive all off garchomp's attacks, and OHKO it with pursuit when it runs expecting an ice move?
I doubt there is one, but I'm really curious. Yes I realize such a thing would probably be so specific it wouldn`t be useful for anything else.
 
That isn't an answer to his question at all since Mence doesn't learn pursuit and can't survive all of Garchomp's attacks.

Properly EVed, I suppose slaking could accomplish this, if it's not a chain chomp (if it's chain chomp I think it's impossible). I wouldn't recommend it though. There are better ways to deal with chomp.

EDIT: actually chomp would probably just stay in and 2HKO. I don't think this is a viable strategy at all. Best you could hope for would be to bring in Weavile as a revenge killer and pray it's not scarfed.
 
mamoswine OHKOS with ice shard if life orb is attached and has adamant nature. perfect if the garchomp outrages and cant escape.
 
Not even a CBTyranitar (iirc the strongest pursuit in the game) can OHKO Garchomp with Pursuit, so already what your asking for doesn't really exist, since nothing can OHKO Garchomp with Pursuit.

If you want something that can come in, survive any attack Garchomp can throw at it, and outspeed and threaten an OHKO, then I guess Starmie is pretty close, although it get's 2HKOed by Scarfed Outrage (possibly 1HKOed by CBed), but it can switch into most Garchomps and threaten Ice Beam, and also can Recover off whatever damage it takes, which I guess is as close as your going to get to something that can both switch in, and threaten to outspeed / OHKO
 
A really obvious option would be weavile if you want to revenge kill. It does everythig right, has the speed, atk, moveset, and stab to ice shard, ice punch, or pursuit a garchomp. If the garchomp is scarfed then its a different story.
 
There's a difference between countering something and revenge killing it. If you want to counter something, you have to be able to switch in on its attacks and then threaten a kill. If you want to revenge kill something, the term suggests that something must have died and you got a free switch in. Then you either have some way to stop it from switching out or in the case of something like scarfchomp, give them the choice of either losing their current pokemon or have the pokemon they switch in severely damaged by outrage.

You can't really do that with something like a garchomp because there's no real way to prevent it from switching out unless it's a scarfchomp and locked into outrage. Then you can revenge kill it easily with ice shard weavile and mamoswine after something has died.

Weavile gets special mention because even if it's not a scarfchomp, then it can switch in after something has died and knowing your opponent will switch, pursuit it. It won't kill it but it will help to wear it down.

Short of that, your only other option of revenge killing a garchomp is to try something gimmicky like a special dugtrio with HP ice. Although even with choice specs, +spatk nature and 252 EVs, it's not a guaranteed OHKO on garchomp.
 
Danyul1023 said:
Not even a CBTyranitar (iirc the strongest pursuit in the game) can OHKO Garchomp with Pursuit, so already what your asking for doesn't really exist, since nothing can OHKO Garchomp with Pursuit.

If you want something that can come in, survive any attack Garchomp can throw at it, and outspeed and threaten an OHKO, then I guess Starmie is pretty close, although it get's 2HKOed by Scarfed Outrage (possibly 1HKOed by CBed), but it can switch into most Garchomps and threaten Ice Beam, and also can Recover off whatever damage it takes, which I guess is as close as your going to get to something that can both switch in, and threaten to outspeed / OHKO
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If you switch in on garchomp with starmie, it is either killing you that turn or killing you next turn while it's faster than you.
 
A "revenge killer" would come in after Chomp has taken something down, and guarantee the kill on Chomp without dying. A Life Orb'd Weavile is nearly guaranteed OHKO on standard ScarfChomp with Ice Shard, and if it switches, will do about 50% with pursuit. It's hard to OHKO something with pursuit, especially with 108/95 defenses...
 
I use ice beam Cresselia, switches in on Garchomp easily as anything.. guess that's not too original though huh?
 
Aeldaar said:
If you switch in on garchomp with starmie, it is either killing you that turn or killing you next turn while it's faster than you.
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Garchomp has base 102 speed to Starmie's 115. Like I said you can't use Starmie to counter Band or Scarfed versions, but against a Swords Dancer or something similar Starmie works fine, since it outspeeds and can't be OHKOed by any move, although you have to make sure you know what type of Garchomp your foe is running first.

The only other thing I can think of that can both switch in fine and threaten to outspeed and OHKO would be a CBDonphan or something with Ice Shard, but even that does only 95% max.

You're better off just using a more typical counter, something like Cresselia that takes the hit to come in, then can take another hit and KO with Ice Beam and recover the damage off later.
 
Lady_Lyndis said:
Hmm never thought about a dugtrio revenge-killing chomp. Whats the calc of a modest 252 sp atk HP ice on it?
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You'll probably get more damage out of Earthquake than HP Ice but even if you don't in general it's more useful to focus on Attack and Speed EVs instead of Special Attack and Speed EVs.

As someone earlier stated you've got revenge killing and countering sort of mixed up. The whole reason something is called a "revenge killer" is because it's a pokemon that gets sent out when one of its team mates has fainted. This means Garchomp has to faint something in order for another pokemon that threatens it to come into play. This defeats the purpose of having to survive any of Garchomp's attacks since at this point you just want to be faster. A pure counter on the other hand has to be able to take damage without being severely crippled and then threaten the pokemon it intends to counter with a one or two hit KO.

With all of that defined, anything with Ice Shard is probably a good reliable bet for "revenge killing" any Garchomp. Ice Beam Starmie, Weavile, etc deal with non Scarf variants.. anything faster than 332 (iirc) and a solid Ice move. Even a strong Dragon move can do at times. Scarf Chomp is very good at countering itself.

On the other side of that, pure counters for Garchomp include Cresselia, Hippowdon (non ChainChomp), Donphan, Slowbro, HP Ice Bronzong (Sub/SD variants), basically pokemon with solid defense/resists (and recovery doesn't hurt) with an Ice move. Take a look at the analysis for these types of pokemon.
 
Rash Max Sp.Atk Specs Dugtrio using HP Ice on Jolly 4HP/0SP.D Garchomp : 92.23 - 108.38%

Adamant Max Atk Banded Dugtrio using Earthquake on Jolly 4HP/0Def Garchomp : 57.05 - 67.04%

HP Ice does have a chance of OHKOing it, but I doubt anyone would ever use this thing just to counter Garchomp, since Dugtrio really needs a lot of Atk EV's to do a lot of damage. It's base Atk is only 80 after all.
 
You know, you could just use cresselia with ice beam and scare it away, instead of having to go through all this nonsense of sacrificing a pokemon to it, then revenge killing it?
 
Scarf Chomp is very good at countering itself.
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revenge killing itself*, let's not make it any more complicated.

Floatzel the sex bomb can threaten Garchomp with a faster Ice Punch. In theory it can also Pursuit it, but I'd rather Focus Punch on the switch or set up a Bulk Up or Substitute to pass to someone else.
 
An underrated way of 'stopping' Garchomp, especially sweeping you is with Toxic Spikes. If it's a Sub Garchomp, you have DEFINITELY helped out, as if it's being Toxic poisoned, it cannot afford to lose that extra 25%. If it's a Chain Chomp, again that poison adding up along with the Life Orb damage will only allow it to do a few moves.

Once it gets poisoned, all you have to do is make a few simple resistence switches. You can probably go to Bronzong to take most of it's moves, as I doubt most people would open up with a Fire attack on any Garchomp. From there just play simple mind games, such as going to Gyarados, which helps resist fire, immune to ground and Intimidate helps, and watch the poison add up. Even if Garchomp does predict right a few times here and there, it's still going to be dieing a lot faster.
 
If you Really Hate Garchomp you can run that natural gift Dugtrio set to trap it... but it is dumb and only works with Spike support.
 
Like other people said, Ice Shard on Weavile or Mamoswine is the way to go. Or a strong Ice attack on anything faster (Starmie). Pursuit isn't OHKOing it, so that's the best you can do.

An underrated way of 'stopping' Garchomp, especially sweeping you is with Toxic Spikes. If it's a Sub Garchomp, you have DEFINITELY helped out, as if it's being Toxic poisoned, it cannot afford to lose that extra 25%. If it's a Chain Chomp, again that poison adding up along with the Life Orb damage will only allow it to do a few moves.
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Heh, I've gotta try that...those stupid Sub/SS Chomps are getting more and more annoying.
 
Mekkah said:
Floatzel the sex bomb can threaten Garchomp with a faster Ice Punch. In theory it can also Pursuit it, but I'd rather Focus Punch on the switch or set up a Bulk Up or Substitute to pass to someone else.
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Ice Punch? As far as I know, Floatzel can only get the inferior Ice Fang.
 
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