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Meh. The newest team I made.

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Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Tartarus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 44 HP / 176 Def / 180 Spd / 108 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp

Alright. HP evs let me hit the nearest leftovers recovery mark. Defense is there to make sure I live mence and gyara HP flying after 1 DD and OHKO back. Makes an okay heracross counter as CB megahorn is a 4hko on him.

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Suicune @ Leftovers ** Oceanus
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Spd / 92 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

Sweepcune. 404 HP. Speed to hit 271 and outspeed everything that sits at 270. HP Electric beats vappy. And Hydro Pump 2hkos 252/4 bliss after 6 CMs and has a shot at a 2hko after 5. He can also wall in a pinch.

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Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Atlas
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 160 HP / 108 Atk / 136 Def / 104 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Return
- Selfdestruct
- Shadow Ball

Special wall. Can boom on something in a pinch. EQ so meta and tar don't come in on me and have a field day.

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Celebi @ Leftovers ** Chronos
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 12 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Recover

Passes CMs around. HP grass surprises tar who thinks he walls me. Lots of def so I can safely take a CB HP Fly from mence and get the CMs to gar or jirachi.

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Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Mnemosyne
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Thunder
- Wish

Supports lax and cune with wish. Reflect helps cune and celebi set up.

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Charizard (M) @ Petaya Berry ** Helios
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 104 Atk / 152 Spd / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Sunny Day

Awesome. outspeeds people at 270, enough attack to 2hko bliss with focus punch. STAB Fire Blast hurts with blaze and sunny day. If this gets 2 CMs it OHKOs blissey with fire blast.

Anyways, rate, praise, steal, etc.?
 
Your team has no stable tar counter, it can't keep taking cb / 1+ rs from switchins.

Snorlax is also a pain in the rear. sure jirachi and gengar together can beat it, but ones that have curse can really cause trouble.

I'd replace jirachi with something like tar/meta/ to deal with lax better, and replacing someone with pert is not a bad idea too.
 
Also, to prevent controversy on what Cruiselax is saying, I will reiterate that you have no stable tar counter. That would assume that you can switch in on any given TTar set, be able to shrug off the damage, and still be pretty healthy for later switch ins. Suicune has no Rest, so it can't do it. Celebi fears Boah/VIL Tar, and just HP Bug on any set period, so it's out of the question. Switching Snorlax into it fears Focus Punch, and is just wasting its health inside a sandstorm. Jirachi would only make a decent VILtar counter, and you have to aim for 60% para on the DDTar version.
 
Cruiselax said:
Your team has no stable tar counter, it can't keep taking cb / 1+ rs from switchins.
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Except tar can't really come in on anything. But if it does make its way in, thats why theres something called prediction. I can just get cune or gar in safely and scare it away.

Snorlax is also a pain in the rear. sure jirachi and gengar together can beat it, but ones that have curse can really cause trouble.
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Jirachi sets up reflect, the celebi comes in and starts setting up.

Pert over suicune works though.
 
I don't know if tar really is a problem for you, but if it is, try Crocune. I've never been a fan of sweep Cune, especially with Hydro Pump. It misses pretty often and runs out of PP fast.
You should also consider Beat Up over FP on Zard. Not much to say here.
 
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So if prediction is a joke then what beats Deoxys - F?

Anyways, pert is a good addition but I like suicune's sweeping potential better.
 
I don't see the purpose of Beat Up when he has more utility in Focus Punch.
 
ESP said:
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So if prediction is a joke then what beats Deoxys - F?

Anyways, pert is a good addition but I like suicune's sweeping potential better.
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Relying only on prediction wont get you as far as you hope.

And suicune without rest is just asking for trouble imo.
 
really, really good synergy, you can find a way to deal with Pokés that you do not technically "counter", so that's good. =] Also I think that Celebi can pretty easily come in on Curselax and own him one on one with reflect support. Otherwise you have destiny bond Gar and jira at your disposal. Maybe an extremely high spatk Thunder + HP Ice Zappy annoys you? Eh, this isn't even that much of a problem since it is pretty rare... I love how not even Dugtrio can beat down the two little buggers in your team because of Reflect and hp grass! I belive that the main concern here is Skarmory, and Forretress to a lesser extent, since they can set up spikes on the psychic-less, leech seed-less celebi and on lax; sure, lax can explode severly hindering them while cele can bpass cmboosts in order to attempt a sweep, tough they are not completely covered and so you could have troubles with a stall-based team in which Skarm is surrounded by an extremely defensive cm + Roar Suicune which has a clear shot at sweeping if spikes are on the field, but once again Gengar can destiny bond him to his grave. So definitely impressive, I like the team a lot.
 
ESP said:
Meh. The newest team I made.

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Gengar (M) @ Leftovers ** Tartarus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 44 HP / 176 Def / 180 Spd / 108 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Punch
- Thunderbolt
- Will-O-Wisp

Alright. HP evs let me hit the nearest leftovers recovery mark. Defense is there to make sure I live mence and gyara HP flying after 1 DD and OHKO back. Makes an okay heracross counter as CB megahorn is a 4hko on him.

When I use Destiny Bond Gar I prefer using Substitute, or you could put in Fire Punch over WoW and tweak the Ev's for an Sp. Attacking Gar.

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Suicune @ Leftovers ** Oceanus
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Spd / 92 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

Sweepcune. 404 HP. Speed to hit 271 and outspeed everything that sits at 270. HP Electric beats vappy. And Hydro Pump 2hkos 252/4 bliss after 6 CMs and has a shot at a 2hko after 5. He can also wall in a pinch.

I dont see how he walls. He has no Rest or even Substitute for that matter. Rest or Substitute over HP Electric preferably Rest.

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Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers ** Atlas
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 160 HP / 108 Atk / 136 Def / 104 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Return
- Selfdestruct
- Shadow Ball

Special wall. Can boom on something in a pinch. EQ so meta and tar don't come in on me and have a field day.

I always thought these Lax's had Fire Blast. But this works to I guess.

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Celebi @ Leftovers ** Chronos
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 12 SAtk / 56 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Recover

Passes CMs around. HP grass surprises tar who thinks he walls me. Lots of def so I can safely take a CB HP Fly from mence and get the CMs to gar or jirachi.

I doubt It will be out speeding any Cross's. Therefore forcing you to switch then rather BP out.

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Jirachi @ Leftovers ** Mnemosyne
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Def / 200 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Reflect
- Thunder
- Wish

Supports lax and cune with wish. Reflect helps cune and celebi set up.

Standard and fine.

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Charizard (M) @ Petaya Berry ** Helios
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 104 Atk / 152 Spd / 252 SAtk
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Fire Blast
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Sunny Day

Awesome. outspeeds people at 270, enough attack to 2hko bliss with focus punch. STAB Fire Blast hurts with blaze and sunny day. If this gets 2 CMs it OHKOs blissey with fire blast.

It works.

Anyways, rate, praise, steal, etc.?
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Final Thought:

No phazer can lose to Curselax easy. Wish can only help you against spikes for so long. Cune walls shit without Rest. You have the status takers under control, except Cune. I can see CB Hera having a field day, once Cune is gone fill free to add DD Mence and DD Tar.
 
how is he weak to heracross with that Gengar and with a Charizard? and Suicune obviously isn't his main wall, he has just said it can take an hit sometime, given 404 HP and 115 base defense. Also, let me know how he can "easily lose to Curselax", please.
 
I said once Gar is gone he has the weak. Also Curselax beats everyone of his pokes even with D Bond Gar. He has no full proof counter for it.
 
Celebi can get off a few CMs while Curselax tries to set up. If Lax is the EQ variant, passing to Gengar pretty much does it in. If it works Shadow Ball, Jirachi can setup a Reflect and wall it all day, not to mention it now has +2 or +3 in SAtk and has a (20%?) chance at a SDef drop with Psychic.

On another note, since Cel can pass CMs to Jir, I'd suggest Thunderbolt over Thunder in case you have a clear shot at sweeping and you don't want to miss.
 
@ cruiselax with his einstein quotes:

thats not the point.
there is no team without weaknesses. the thing is to build your team a way possible counters are relatively easy to outpredict by using your fucking brains.
to counter ttar well enough he has to rely on his skills. period.
and by the way, he doenst even have that much trouble countering it :/
chances are it will get burned by gengar. celebi counters it to an extent and even has chances of setting up a chain. late game if tyranitar decides to switch in on celebi while celebi cm's, chances are pretty high it gets killed by hp grass too. theres charizard that can switch in on focus punch (that will kinda hurt though) or earthquake and set up. jirachi can come in on the common cb rockslide, reflect up and wish away. and then theres also suicune who can fuck things up pretty badly although i dont like that set at all.
so yeah these examples are pretty situational but thats how pokemon works.

maybe having both charizard and suicune isnt a good idea :) you can try replacing charizard with flygon which will take away your ttar problems. UnLeSs YoU haVe A GoOd PreDicTinG OpPonEnT CUZ Well YeaH PrEdiCtioN maKes EverYthing WOrk, right? =) or use swampert over suicune. or use both flygon and swampert.
 
The quotes about predicting come more from the fact that it annoys most of the raters when they give suggestions, and are replied to with "I don't need to worry about that if I use prediction." Though I agree, there's not any real problem here countering Tar, and will reiterate what has already been mentioned, that Tar can barely come in as it is.
 
I do not think it is annoying for a rater to hear "this isn't a problem if I can predict" when surrounded by a good explanation of how the team can take on a specific threat. If a person just makes a gyara/poreon/dodrio/forry/yanma/magikarp team and he says "i c4n handel zapados w/ pr3dict wtf", well, this one is annoying, and sure as hell is an idiot. But simply this is not the kind of a team with tyranitar's problem. I'll try it out sometime.
 
There's no real point in posting a offensive team. All you'll hear is how you can't 100% wall every single poke in the game.
 
I like offensive teams! Also, I understand Lexay, but there's no reason to make yourself have to predict just to win. With that being said, I have never used Hp Electric Suicune, but if you are going to use it, then Body Slam over Return on Snorlax, would help your sweeping ability seeing as you have a bunch of set-up pokemon. Also keep an eye on Heracross; no matter how much you think you can predict, there are other battlers who can predict as well as you; Hera could wear your team down with only 2 attacks and can switch in on a few pokemon.
 
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