marriage between UU and standard metagames? RMT

Payton64

Payton64

Personally, i don't enjoy the 30ish pokemon that are constantly being used on every team. But i do know that there's probably no way that i'll survive if i don't use any OUs in the OU metagame. Some of these movesets are ones i found on this forum from other people so don't get mad at me if i stole yours (some of these are a bit gimmicky). BTW this team mostly focuses on toxicroak and prediction of your opponent's actions with it.

Weavile@ choice band
252 atk, 252 spd, 6 hp
adamant
pressure
ice punch
blade test (night slash)
focus punch
ice shard (ice pebble) /aerial ace/x-scissor

My lead. it will clear the path for Toxicroak. It covers all of toxicroaks type weaknesses (psychic x4, ground and flying x2). basic CBer. Focus punch to catch people on the switch.

Magnezone@ leftovers
252 def, 252 sp. atk, 6 sp.def
bold?
magnet pull
thunderbolt
magnet rise (electroleviate)
flash cannon (luster cannon) /mirror coat
thunder wave

covers one of the more popular threats that owns toxicroak, skarm. magnet pull so he can't run, then t-bolt. magnet rise for swampert and other grounds.

Slowbro@ leftovers
252 def, 126 sp. atk, 126 sp.def, 6 hp
bold
oblivious (i've already bred a good one with oblivious, but own tempo isn't really that much better)
calm mind
surf
ice beam
slack off

helps out with eliminating grounds. CM and then surf/ice beam. slack off after you get beaten while you were calm minding.

Ninetales@ lefties
252 spd, 126 sp. atk, 126 sp. def, 6 hp
modest
flash fire
will-o-wisp
roar/calm mind/scheme
flamethrower
energy ball

phazer/shuffler/whatever you wanna call it. covers its weaknesses and can WOW a decent amount of pokes before fainting.

Toxicroak@ black sludge
same EVs as Weavile
adamant or jolly
dry skin
sub
ambush
focus punch/taunt
stone edge/taunt

my main guy. there are 2 ways that you can run this. you can taunt so they have to attack you, then ambush the heck out of them. The other option is to subpunch the first 2 turns. when they break the sub, either taunt then ambush or just plain ambush. stone edge to take down fliers.

Lopunny@ burn orb (or flame orb or whatever it's called now)
252 spd, 126 def and sp. def, 6 hp
timid/bold
klutz
switcheroo
return/drain punch
mirror coat/drain punch/filler
fling/filler

i wanted to get creative with this one. it's a weird annoyer and i'm not sure if this will work well or not. since lopunny has klutz, it suffers no status ailment or damage from holding the burn orb. first, you switcheroo with the opponent, burning them. if you get the adherence specks or something that won't benefit it, you fling it. mirror coat if it's a special poke (it can take a few special hits with 96 base stat sp. def) or return/drain punch it until it faints, you can also switcheroo back before you faint the poke if you really want the burn orb back. btw I chose burn orb over toxic orb since the toxic orb won't work against poison and steel pokes (the latter being common in competitive play).

OR

Alakazam@ leftovers
252 atk, 252 sp, 6 hp
modest
synchronize
protect
encore
torment
psychic

protect first turn, then encore them. torment them so they keep repeating a move that they can't use. Then psychic away. BTW I know that if i chose this, i'd have 2 psychics on my team, which is a no-no in competitive play. But i think i might be able to handle it with ninetales' flamethrower (bug) and weavile and toxicroak's focus punches. this one might have a better chance of working as an annoyer than lopunny but i'm not sure.

feel free to correct me. just understand that on some of these pokes, i don't want standard, same old same old movesets on (lopunny, alakazam, toxicroak specifically). it's because i like my teams to not be totally standard. BTW i know little about EVs.


Threat List:
Garchomp –weavile
Tyranitar – magnezone
Gyarados- magnezone
Infernape – slowbro
Gengar – slowbro
Azlef- magnezone?
Heracross – ninetales (but not on a switch-in counter)
PorygonZ – magnezone
Electivire –
Swampert – weavile (maybe)
Togekiss –weavile
Weavile –toxicroak
Salamence –weavile, slowbro
Snorlax –toxicroak
Heatran –toxicroak, slowbro
Raikou – maybe magnezone (if it knows mirror coat)
Starmie- maybe magnezone
Rhyperior- slowbro
Lucario- probably slowbro
Dugtrio-weavile
Medicham-
Zapdos- toxicroak
Blissey-toxicroak
Metagross-toxicroak
Celebi- magnezone, ninetales
Jirachi-
Skarmory- magnezone

as you can see, i have some holes in my team. *cough* electivire *cough*. originally, i was going to use a torterra using EQ, which would've beaten electivire (as long as it didn't have ice punch).
 
Lopunny could Fling flame orb for the same effect and some damage. I think it would be better to give it a Choice Scarf or something, it's crippling on certain Pokemon. Hell, it's crippling on lots of Pokemon if you give them the restriction of Choice Band or Choice Glasses without the increased power. If you wanted you could also switch on a Black Steel Orb; it allows Flying Pokemon to be hit by Earthquake and halves the speed of whatever it's given too. If you really wanted to it could also be hurled for pretty impressive damage. Shining Tail makes them go last no matter what, which cripples a sweeper since there's no easy way to get rid of it like Paralysis and Heal Bell.

Basically Flame Orb and Switcheroo is a waste.
Also, you can take advantage of the fact that Lopunny doesn't have to use Switcheroo first with the choice items to catch lots of Pokemon offguard.
 
Switcheroo is better than just Flinging the Flame Orb because it not only burns the opponent, it deprives them of their previous item, be it Leftovers or one of the Choice items (or even a Lum Berry which would negate the burn from Flinging the Flame Orb). Things are SO much easier to take down without Leftovers, and stuff without Choice items aren't nearly as frightening. Choice Specs Salamence is pretty intimidating, but without the Choice Specs it doesn't appear as scary.
 
Switcheroo is better than just Flinging the Flame Orb because it not only burns the opponent, it deprives them of their previous item
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No it doesn't unless this has been proven. Throwing an item is an attack. Throwing a Burn Orb is some 30-40BP and adds burn 100%, it doesn't replace their item or knock off their item.
 
Garchomp –weavile
Weavile can't switch in at all
Tyranitar – magnezone
Earthquake lol what
Gyarados- magnezone
Earthquake lol what
Infernape – slowbro
Gengar – slowbro
STAB Shadow Ball or Thunderbolts hello
Azlef- magnezone?
Flamethrower? HP Fighting?
Heracross – ninetales (but not on a switch-in counter)
PorygonZ – magnezone
Electivire –
Swampert – weavile (maybe)
STAB Earthquakes kill Weavile kthnx
Togekiss –weavile
.................
Weavile –toxicroak
Salamence –weavile, slowbro
Snorlax –toxicroak
Heatran –toxicroak, slowbro
Raikou – maybe magnezone (if it knows mirror coat)
Substitute/CM ggs this ''counter''
Starmie- maybe magnezone
Rhyperior- slowbro
:Megahorn: :STAB CB EQ:
Lucario- probably slowbro
Dugtrio-weavile
Medicham-
Zapdos- toxicroak
Blissey-toxicroak
Metagross-toxicroak
Celebi- magnezone, ninetales
Jirachi-
Skarmory- magnezone
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I don't know this ''toxicroak'' but I'm sure it doesn't counter most of this list at all judging at how you list some of these pokemon as counters.
 
Can you still use Switcheroo if you don't have an item (so it acts like Thief)? If it does you could use Switcheroo+Fling to get rid of all the team's items and stil do damage, but it then becomes a Knock Off that takes up two moveslots.
 
Yeah, and that could work in Tandem with something like Black Steel Orb. The last two moves however are completely your choice.

Switcheroo
Fling
Charge Beam/Jump Kick
Ice Beam/Return

Something like that
 
Slobroking said:
I don't know this ''toxicroak'' but I'm sure it doesn't counter most of this list at all judging at how you list some of these pokemon as counters.
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just so you know, i was trying to get the threat list up ASAP. i'm also fairly new to the metagame and don't know every move that every metagame pokemon uses. and btw, toxicroak wasn't really made to counter. if i try to counter any poke with at least 90 base stat speed, they'll get 2 hits on me. and just because i can't land a super effective hit on a poke doesn't mean that it won't win.
 
Pneuma said:
No it doesn't unless this has been proven. Throwing an item is an attack. Throwing a Burn Orb is some 30-40BP and adds burn 100%, it doesn't replace their item or knock off their item.
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Switcheroo acts exactly like Trick, as has been seen in a few PBR videos. It exchanges your item for the opponent's item. Since Lopunny can't be Burned by the Flame Orb due to Klutz, the item is inactive until the opponent gets it. At the same time, you get their Leftovers/Choice Band/Choice Scarf/whatever, which you can Switcheroo onto something else later.

It comes down to a choice between Burning them and doing a 30-40 BP Dark move (which, by the way, won't do shit without STAB or SE), or Burn them and effectively Knock Off them at the same time.

EDIT: Just realised what you meant by your post. I was referring to Switcheroo depriving them of their previous item, not Fling.
 
DoubleX said:
Switcheroo acts exactly like Trick, as has been seen in a few PBR videos. It exchanges your item for the opponent's item. Since Lopunny can't be Burned by the Flame Orb due to Klutz, the item is inactive until the opponent gets it. At the same time, you get their Leftovers/Choice Band/Choice Scarf/whatever, which you can Switcheroo onto something else later.

It comes down to a choice between Burning them and doing a 30-40 BP Dark move (which, by the way, won't do shit without STAB or SE), or Burn them and effectively Knock Off them at the same time.

EDIT: Just realised what you meant by your post. I was referring to Switcheroo depriving them of their previous item, not Fling.
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I know, the point of my post was that Burn can be afflicted in a multitude of ways, but Trick (Switcheroo) can do things most other Pokemon can't, like switching on a Choice Scarf, or a Choice Band on a special/Utility Pokemon, etc.
 
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