maybe I'm missing something? (ambipom vs. weavile)

[harle1012000]

does ambipom have anything over weavile? I notice many people like to U-Turn and Fake Out with Ambipom for a quick hit, but Weavile is a faster Fake Out user (though lacks U-Turn) and has more attack power.

Ambipom:
* STAB + Technicianed Fake Out
* can U-Turn

Weavile:
* can revenge kill things like Garchomp, Zam, and Mence
* can also Fake Out and being faster it's Fake Out is almost always guarenteed

I've always wanted to use Ambipom, but the fear of Weavile's possibly carrying Fake Out (to screw up focus sash users) always made me shy away from it. Am I missing something?

 

[Dragontamer]

Weavile's Fakeout is sitting at 40 Base Power. To put this under comparison, it is as strong as Rock Smash. Aka, does pathetic damage.

Ambipom may have less attack, but with STAB and Technician, its Fake-out jumps to an outstanding 90 Base Power.

Fake-Out on Ambipom is very very powerful. With Double-Hit and Fake-Out, it can revenge-kill a wider variety of Pokemon than Weavile. Double-Hit + Fake-out kills Milotic in 3 hits for example. Really though, Milotic only gets one hit off on Ambipom because of the auto-flinch from Fake-out.

EDIT: Perhaps I should explain my reasoning above. Ambipom with Silk Scarf does 63% to a max def/Max HP milotic. It is also faster than Milotic. It essentially has 2 turns to do a revenge kill because of Fake-Out.

While Fake-Out does really small amounts of damage for Weavile. Again, it does less than half of what an Ambipom Fake-Out can pull off.

 

[Surgo]

Uh, they are two completely different pokemon.