ORAS OU Mega Sableye Stall

[Mister57]

Hi everybody! I'm a new user here and I'd really want to have my team rated by you. I've never built a Stall team because I've always thought they're so annoying but I had a lot of failures in Balance so... Let's try with stall! :D

INTRODUCTION

After having looked around some stall teams in order to make an idea of how to build one on my own, I understood that one of the most used mons in Stall is Mega Sableye because of his bulkyness and ability: so I started my team from him.

THE TEAM

Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SDef
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Metal Burst

First I had to choose the set. I chose the Utility one because of the spread and because I don't like CM on MSableye, it's too counterable by Clefable. The Spread provides me an OHKO on Mega Diancie's Moonblast, ZardY's Fire Blast and +3 Manaphy's Scald using Metal Burst and gives me resistance to some Physical Attackers. Will-O-Wisp makes me stall Mega Venusaur (who really doesn't like the burn) and some physical attackers, Knock Off is very useful to deprive some mons of Items (in particulary Leftovers and Choice Items, mainly in switch-ins).
As we all know, Mega Sableye's best counters are Fairy-Types and Stat-uppers so I built the team trying to cover these weakneses.

Ferrothorn @ Chople Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball

1) Fairy-Types are the main problem
2) As this is a Stall team I need someone who can put on the field the harzards

These 2 points made me choose Ferrothorn as second member of this team. His bulkyness lets me wall some mons like Rotom-W (don't care too much about burn because of Clefable's Aromatherapy), Latios (without HP Fire) and Mega Diancie. I gave him the chople berry in order to resist to Terrakion's Close Combat, Gengar's,Tornadus', MGardevoir's Focus Blast, MLopunny's and MMedicham's Hi-Jump-Kick,and hurt them with Gyro Ball.
Then he has Stealth Rock and Spikes to help my stall and Leech Seed as recovery. Now I need to cover stat-uppers and even Mega Sableye, who can give a hard time to me.

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 160 Def / 100 SDef
Calm Nature
- Wish
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Protect

She's my first answer to stat-uppers. Thanks to her ability, Clefable can counter a lot of stat-uppers, in particulary MSableye, Serperior and Manaphy. The 100 EVs in SDef grants me to stall Manaphy and Serperior as well.

252 SpA Manaphy Scald vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Clefable: 51-61 (25.3 - 30.3%) -- 1.3% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Clefable: 90-107 (44.7 - 53.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

I have some doubts on the set. I know she's quite good as cleric but I'd like to have Calm Mind on her and maybe Wish is quite useless because all the members of my team have a recovery move. On the other side, I know a wish passer is very imporant in a stall team, so I ask you for advices. Anyway, Clefable heals my team from status with Aromatherapy and this is very useful against stall teams. But she cannot counter all the stat-uppers. ZardX and Talonflame give me a lot of problems so I need someone else to check them and other dancers.

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Earthquake
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic

Quagsire is a good answer to them. He can stall talonflame and ZardX with Toxic while they try stat-upping or spam Scald predicting their switch-out. He can also stall Zapdos thats very annoying for my team and is a good check for Heatran.
Now I need someone to remove hazards from my team (MSableye is not always a good idea) so I chose one who can check Keldeo because he can give me huge problems.

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Toxic
- Scald
- Rapid Spin
- Recover

I thought Starmie was the best spinner I could add to my team. Scald can revenge kill MDiancie if weakened and do damage on Defensive Lando-T. I gave Starmie Toxic over Reflect Type just to stall some mons but I was thinking about giving him Tbolt to hit Skarmory or Grass Knot to hit Quagsire.
Now my team needs absolutely a trusty Revengiller and even a good win condition.

Talonflame @ No Item
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Acrobatics
- Roost
- Will-O-Wisp

Talonflame can counter MZor and check MVenusaur and ZardY. With no item he doesn't take too much damage from Knock Off and can Stat-up or burn annoying mons. I was thinking about changing his Spread into the Specially Defensive one just to take an 3OHKO from ZardY and destroy it with Acrobatics after Swords Dance or 2 Bulk Up. I could even use Taunt over Will-O-Wisp to lock stallers as chansey from using toxic and recovery moves. What do you think about this alternative opportunity?

THREATS:

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Thundurus: I definetely cannot touch him apart from giving status whereas he can sweep my team. Grass Knot destroys Quagire, Thunderbolt hits hard MSableye, Talonflame, Clefable and Starmie. Knock Off + Superpower make a huge damage on Ferrothorn who can't hit him.
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Tornadus-T: His Hurricane can't be walled by any member of my team and Taunt breakes my stalling. If he carries Heat Wave, even Ferrothorn dies.
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Landorus-T: I don't have safe switch-in for Lando-T who can spam Earthquake and make my mons suffer.
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Weavile: A dangerous pokemon that with the Life Orb and his STAB moves breaks my team.
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CB Talonflame: I've recently met him and he destroyed my team with Brave Bird. I killed him only with recoil+Iron Barbs :/
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Sub Mega Heracross: Oh this pokemon is really stallbreaking and in my team has a lot of opportunities to sweep. If he sets the substitute I can't burn him and then he cleans everything easily.

CONCLUSION

So this is my team. I'm sorry if I was wrong commenting something and I hope you'll kindly help me improving my team and I remind you it's the first stall I build. Thank you for attention and Good Rate! :)

 

[Pirouette]

Your mega sableye is definitely something idrk if you wana keep metal burst but if not you can fake out over it for a free mega evolution or foul play to punish physical set uo sweepers like talonflame charizard-x, i suggest changing the ev spread as well if landorus is giving you problems 252 hp 160 96 careful natured is used to tank hits from bisharp garchomp landorus ect much better.

 

[Pirouette]

Next is ferrothorn,leftovers over chople for constant recovery each turn protect over stealth rock this is a great way to gain recovery off leech seed and keftovers and at the same time dealing damage the rest of the set fine

 

[Pirouette]

The clefable i think should have a bit more special defense so it can take on serperior much better.Thats all for clefable though.

 

[Pirouette]

Your starmie is fine but i think talonflame can be changed to chansey but that will make your make your team really breloom weak if you decide not to change it to chansey i suggest bulk up over swords dance so it can get extra physical bulk while gaining offenses,the rest of its attacks are fine and the ev spread needs to put the 252 attack into spdef since your using bulk up and that is raising your defense a spdef boosting nature - spa is the nature you should use.If your using chansey use eviolite so it can tank physical hits and speacial hits much better natural cure is the preferred ability as it works as a great status absorber seismic toss should be used so it can deal a good amount of damage,stealth rock as the second attack since you want it to be hazard stall right?softboil for a good recovery move and lastly toxic to cripple its counters 252 defense and 252 spdef bold natured should be used,thats all for my rate but what is tmid on starmie for?only question.

 

[Mister57]

Hi! Thank you for rate. I agree with changing talon's set into the spD one but i think introducing Chansey wouldn't be good. Lando-T gives me a lot of problems amd without any ground immunity-resistance he can spam EQ that's too dangerous. If i go for leftovers> chople berry on thorn i'll never beat mega Gardevoir . Switching into her Hyper Voice i take at most 29.8%, leftovers recovery, I have 76.2% HP and her Focus blast without chople berry is:
232 SpA Mega Gardevoir Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 124-146 (68.5 - 80.6%) - that means i have few chances to resist and kill her.
I know what you mean with leftys>chople berry and I'd always agree with you but not in this team. Talonflame can't lure with MGarde even with Bulk up (to resist Psyshock)
As regards Sableye, i don't know if with your spread can take Moonblast/Fire Blast ecc and OHKO the opponent with Metal burst. I chose this move over foul play and fake out just to kill MDiancie or ZardY easily and then get a recover from Clefable's wish :)
Anyway, I apreciated your answers but I still can't deal with the mons in my threatlist :(

 

[Mister57]

Oh I chose the Timid nature on starmie just to outspeed mons like Serperior and toxic them (it's useful especially if talonflame is dead) but if you have another idea on the spread to make him bulkier I'll be glad to listen to you :)

 

[Anime_Fan]

✧✧✧Hello, Anime_Fan here✧✧✧
Stall 'o how I dislike stall teams (lol). Anyways, great job on the team. It's very bulky and the addition of Unaware users makes it all the more difficult to beat.
By the way, here are a few pointers about the team:

• Opposing Stall teams will be a nightmare for you to break though.
• Powerful wall-breakers and ground types can 1-2HKO your team e.g. Modest nature Charizard Y can 6-0 your entire time.
• Taunt users can completely disrupt your teams success e.g. Sp.Def Gliscor, Thunderus, Tornadus etc.
• Ease Ferrothorn's job at least a little by choosing another Stealth Rocker.

Here are a few tips to improve your team:

[Replace: Quagsire]
Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Scald
- Rain Dance
- Rest

This manaphy set should help you break through many ground types, as well as the defensive Pokemon found on opposing stall teams (e.g. Mandibuzz, Mega Sableye etc). Manaphy's useful ability in Hydration allows it to act as a great status absorber for your team, so use it as a Heatran counter. It's defence allows it to function as a great check against Talonfalme, Keldeo, Metagross etc. This is your first win-con.

[New Set]
Ferrothorn @ Chople Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

Using this set distributes the task of hazard-setting between Hippowdon and Ferrothorn. Power Whip is very important for nailing Rain teams. It gives Ferrothorn the means of beating Keldeo, Azumarill Rotom-W and Mega Swampert.
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[New set]
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect

This set does a better job of checking physical wall-breakers and set up sweepers such as Azumarill, Breloom and Mega Pinsir. It also has power to beat opposing Clefable, Manaphy and even Serperior (use Protect to Stall Serperior's Leaf Storm PP and to gain extra HP, you can then Calm mind when its safe). This Clefable can function as a great wish passer and its your second win-con. It's a better move set IMO so try it out :)

[New set]
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Hydro Pump
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic / Ice Beam

I recommend this set on Starmie, why? Because it has the power to KO every hazard remover in the game (as they switch in, you need to predict for this though). Starmie beats also beats Charizard Y, Dragons and Thundurus. Psychic can be used to hit Gengar and Rotom Wash. Thunderbolt the superior option IMO as it hits Rotom W somewhat well enough, plus it hits Volcanion who can give your team a hard time (only if carrying Choice Specs, defensive Manapy can counter it otherwise).

[New set]
Talonflame
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe
Careful Nature
- Acrobatics
- Roost
- Taunt
- Will-O-Wisp

Here's a nice Talonflame set that I know you'd love. It utilises Will-o-wisp which allows it to cripple its counters such as Landorus-T, and Hippowdon. With Taunt to acts as a secondary stall breaker, which is also beneficial for beating Chansey and opposing Clefable. Another advantage to this set is that it checks Charizard Y (Charizard Y cannot KO it, and thanks to Taunt, it can't Roost either).

PS:
1) Hippowdon would have been a great member for the team, but its hard to fit it on anywhere else with Sableye taking a team-slot.

2) Latios can replace Starmie with the following set (it has leviate for grounds as well):
Latios @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt
- Defog

 

[Mister57]

Hi Anime Fan! :)
Thank you for advices. I'll try the changes you recommended as soon as I can. I have just a doubt about clefable's new set. Aromatherapy Clefable helped me a lot with other stall teams and helped me against manaphy. With the spread you recommended me If I get the burn from manaphy I'll probably lose 1v1, especially in rain.
Oh don't you think I am to weak to Torn-T having RD Manaphy? :/

 

[Mister57]

I like Latios>Starmie but i think that with rain setted up Starmie could help me more. I like Offensive Starmie (even though this started like a heavy stall team).

 

[Anime_Fan]

Hi Anime Fan! :)
Thank you for advices. I'll try the changes you recommended as soon as I can. I have just a doubt about clefable's new set. Aromatherapy Clefable helped me a lot with other stall teams and helped me against manaphy. With the spread you recommended me If I get the burn from manaphy I'll probably lose 1v1, especially in rain.
Oh don't you think I am to weak to Torn-T having RD Manaphy? :/

Hi, those are some excellent points you've made, so here's my replay :D

Suggestions are weakness to Tornadus-T...
"Ferrothorn can function as a check, and Talonflame can handle the Assault Vest variants (it is 3HKO'd)".

Aromatherapy is more useful...
"You can replace my Clefable set with a Heall Beall/Aromatherapy, that's perfectly fine. However my Calm mind set was meant to help you beat Serperior and Manaphy".

The set doesn't always beat Manaphy...
"Starmie/Latios will need Thunderbolt to beat Manaphy".
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To be honest, when I was building suggestions for your team, I completely forgot about Mega Sableye (lol). So I accidently built the team around Hippowdon instead. With Hippowdon in the team, everything I recommended works even better lol xD Sorry about that. However, my comments above were the only fixes I could think of right now.

Either way, when team building (especially with Stall) there are always loop-holes. This stops even the best Pokemon teams from being OP, especially Stall.

However in this scenerio, you'd be vulnerable to Life Orb Tornadus-T but that's mainly it LOL. You at least have less weaknesses now, plus you can counter Tornadus-T with Clefable and Talonflame.

PS: I think Latios may be preferable over Starmie because of Mega Manetric :D

 

[Mister57]

Hi, those are some excellent points you've made, so here's my replay :D

Suggestions are weakness to Tornadus-T...
Ferrothorn can function as a check, and Talonflame can handle the Assault Vest variants (it is 3HKO'd).

Aromatherapy is more useful...
You can replace my Clefable set with a Heall Beall/Aromatherapy, that's perfectly fine. However my Calm mind set was meant to help you beat Serperior and Manaphy.

The set doesn't always beat Manaphy...Starmie/Latios will need Thunderbolt to beat Manaphy.
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To be honest, when I was building suggestions for your team, I completely forgot about Mega Sableye (lol). So I accidently built the team around Hippowdon instead. With Hippowdon in the team, everything I recommended works even better lol xD Sorry about that. However, my reply above is the only fix I can think of right now.

Either way, when team building (especially with Stall) there are always loop-holes. This stops even the best Pokemon teams from being OP, especially Stall.

However in this scenerio, you'd be vulnerable to Life Orb Tornadus-T but that's mainly it LOL. You at least have less weaknesses now.

PS: I think Latios may be better over Starmie

Ahah Lol. Sorry but I want to use mega sableye for the reasons I've explained in the intro. I'll try your changes though meanwhile I'll wait for other advices that focus on my first idea of team.
Thank you very much ;)

 

[Anime_Fan]

You're welcome :)