AAA Mienshao (QC: 2/2) (GP: 1/1)

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[SET]
name: Tinted Lens Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: High Jump Kick / Poison Jab
item: Choice Band / Choice Scarf
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, notably ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can take advantage of them, which distinguishes it from other powerful wallbreakers like Terrakion and Heracross. High Jump Kick supplements Close Combat's meager eight PP, but it's risky to use when opponents have Ghost-types like Dhelmise. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for poison on Pokemon like Kommo-o and Hippodown, as well as revenge killing non-Triage Tapu Lele consistently. A Choice Band is recommended to make Mienshao a decently flexible wallbreaker, with Close Combat becoming hard to switch into, specifically 2HKOing all Tapu Fini and Zapdos. However, Mienshao can use a Choice Scarf to revenge kill important and fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda.

Mienshao often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can take advantage of them like Tapu Koko and Chandelure; in return, Mienshao forces out special walls like Blissey and Silvally-Dragon, or it removes their items with Knock Off and makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Band Mienshao is flexible and can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down Mienshao's checks like Hippodown. For Cinderace, Hippowdon is a shared check, so it and Mienshao can rack up damage together, while Tapu Lele can outright break past Hippowdon. Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, and balance teams heavily appreciate it forcing out fast threats like Talonflame and Choice Scarf Genesect. Mienshao often wants both entry hazard setters and removers. Ferrothorn and Chansey are solid setters and switch into foes that force out Mienshao, like Azelf and Inteleon. Good Defoggers like Mandibuzz and Corviknight can additionally form a pivot core with Mienshao.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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A Swords Dance set stands out from similar sweepers thanks to Mienshao's wide variety of coverage options and powerful STAB move; however, this set lacks immediate power and is forced out by the same Pokemon that the Choice Band set is forced out by, such as Terrakion.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physically Defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao with their reliable recovery, and they force it out in various ways. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can exploit Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. However, neither of them can come in safely.

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band Mienshao is pressured by a myriad of Pokemon, including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Choice Scarf Latios, and +2 Genesect.

**Priority**: Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. against most priority moves. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

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:ss/mienshao:
[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Poison Jab / High Jump Kick
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Band
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Paragraph 1:
- role that the Pokemon plays
- coverage moves that affect its role
- EV spread in one sentence or less

Paragraph 2:
- brief example of teammates that benefit from the Pokemon's presence
- brief example of foes that the Pokemon is vulnerable to + teammates to help cover them

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Regenerator set can consistently make progress versus a wide variety of defensive cores due to Knock Off, U-turn, Close Combat, and a wide variety of coverage; however, it lacks the defensive utility or Speed to threaten out offensive threats consistently.

Checks and Counters
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[SET]
name: Offensive Tinted Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Poison Jab / High Jump Kick
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Band I consider Choice Scarf to be an OO at best, it is way too weak without Band
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, a powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, while ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can abuse them, which distinguishes it from other powerful breakers like Terrakion or Heracross don't need to use this exact wording, but I think access to U-turn needs to be played up to justify Mien. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for a possible Poison chance on Pokemon like Tapu Fini, while High Jump Kick provides a more powerful, albeit inaccurate, option over Close Combat, which can be useful if Close Combat's low PP is wasted provides an additional STAB move to supplement Close Combat's meager eight PP. A Choice Scarf is recommended to provide important speed control, outspeeding fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda and threatening with a KO. However, Mienshao can use a Choice Band to become a decently flexible breaker, with Close Combat becoming even harder to switch into. A Choice Band and maximum Attack investment is required to provide enough power for Mienshao to threaten opposing defensive cores.

Mienshao oftens often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can abuse them like Tapu Koko and Chandalure; in return, Mienshao threatens out speciall special walls like Blissey and SIlvally-Dragon, or remove removes their item with Knock Off and make makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, so balance teams heavily appreciate it threatening out fast threats like Choice Scarf Genesect and Mew. OO Choice Band Mienshao is a flexible breaker that can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down or abuse shared checks like Tapu Fini. Needs to be longer; mention that it really wants both hazard support and hazard removal, who are partners that take advantage of it breaking down defensive cores, what switches into its common checks, etc

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Regenerator set can consistently make progress versus a wide variety of defensive cores due to Knock Off, U-turn, Close Combat, and a wide variety of coverage; however, it lacks the defensive utility or Speed to threaten out offensive threats consistently. add choice scarf here, and maybe even Adamant for more power

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physically defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao, (comma) with their reliable recovery, and various ways of forcing out Mienshao, and the threat of their item being removed do not deter them that much. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can abuse Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. Dhelmise also has Synthesis, so it can recover off damage from a Knock Off or a U-turn, and threaten it out with a Grassy Surge-boosted Grassy Glide. However, neither of them can come in safely, and even Dhelmise cannot take repeated Knock Off from a Choice Band set.

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band sets are vulnerable to being pressured by a myriad of Pokemon. These include , including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Latios, and a Genesect at +2.

**Priority**: Despite resisting Sucker Punch, Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

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Good start, but the second paragraph needs to be lengthened, and I disagree with Choice Scarf being the primary option. It is too weak to be threatening without Band. Let me know when you've had a chance to go over this and implemented the changes, or if you want to discuss them move offline.
 
Good start, but the second paragraph needs to be lengthened, and I disagree with Choice Scarf being the primary option. It is too weak to be threatening without Band. Let me know when you've had a chance to go over this and implemented the changes, or if you want to discuss them move offline.
I disagree that Choice Scarf is not worthy of a mention outside of the OO section. I have extensive experience with Choice Scarf and have found the speed control it offers, the ability to revenge kill fast mons with minimal chip, and pivoting capabilities make it stand out compared to other Fighting-type breakers, and I think it's definitely an option worth showing in a bit more detail than an off-hand mention. I can make Choice Band the first item slashed, but I disagree with putting Choice Scarf only in the OO section.

252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 218-258 (77.5 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Barraskewda: 288-340 (109.5 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 222-262 (78.4 - 92.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 252-298 (70 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 243-286 (80.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde-10%: 253-298 (81 - 95.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (OHKOs Adaptability ZyDog as well)
252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 228-270 (75.7 - 89.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
I disagree that Choice Scarf is not worthy of a mention outside of the OO section. I have extensive experience with Choice Scarf and have found the speed control it offers, the ability to revenge kill fast mons with minimal chip, and pivoting capabilities make it stand out compared to other Fighting-type breakers, and I think it's definitely an option worth showing in a bit more detail than an off-hand mention. I can make Choice Band the first item slashed, but I disagree with putting Choice Scarf only in the OO section.

252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 218-258 (77.5 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Barraskewda: 288-340 (109.5 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 222-262 (78.4 - 92.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 252-298 (70 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 243-286 (80.7 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde-10%: 253-298 (81 - 95.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (OHKOs Adaptability ZyDog as well)
252 Atk Tinted Lens Mienshao Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 228-270 (75.7 - 89.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
I’m good with that. Make Band the primary slash, implement the rest of the non-deleting-Choice-Scarf changes, and let me know when this is ready for another pass.
 
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[SET]
name: Offensive Tinted Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Poison Jab / High Jump Kick
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Band I consider Choice Scarf to be an OO at best, it is way too weak without Band
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, a powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, while ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can abuse them, which distinguishes it from other powerful breakers like Terrakion or Heracross don't need to use this exact wording, but I think access to U-turn needs to be played up to justify Mien. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for a possible Poison chance on Pokemon like Tapu Fini, while High Jump Kick provides a more powerful, albeit inaccurate, option over Close Combat, which can be useful if Close Combat's low PP is wasted provides an additional STAB move to supplement Close Combat's meager eight PP. A Choice Scarf is recommended to provide important speed control, outspeeding fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda and threatening with a KO. However, Mienshao can use a Choice Band to become a decently flexible breaker, with Close Combat becoming even harder to switch into. A Choice Band and maximum Attack investment is required to provide enough power for Mienshao to threaten opposing defensive cores.

Mienshao oftens often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can abuse them like Tapu Koko and Chandalure; in return, Mienshao threatens out speciall special walls like Blissey and SIlvally-Dragon, or remove removes their item with Knock Off and make makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, so balance teams heavily appreciate it threatening out fast threats like Choice Scarf Genesect and Mew. OO Choice Band Mienshao is a flexible breaker that can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down or abuse shared checks like Tapu Fini. Needs to be longer; mention that it really wants both hazard support and hazard removal, who are partners that take advantage of it breaking down defensive cores, what switches into its common checks, etc

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Regenerator set can consistently make progress versus a wide variety of defensive cores due to Knock Off, U-turn, Close Combat, and a wide variety of coverage; however, it lacks the defensive utility or Speed to threaten out offensive threats consistently. add choice scarf here, and maybe even Adamant for more power

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physically defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao, (comma) with their reliable recovery, and various ways of forcing out Mienshao, and the threat of their item being removed do not deter them that much. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can abuse Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. Dhelmise also has Synthesis, so it can recover off damage from a Knock Off or a U-turn, and threaten it out with a Grassy Surge-boosted Grassy Glide. However, neither of them can come in safely, and even Dhelmise cannot take repeated Knock Off from a Choice Band set.

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band sets are vulnerable to being pressured by a myriad of Pokemon. These include , including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Latios, and a Genesect at +2.

**Priority**: Despite resisting Sucker Punch, Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

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Good start, but the second paragraph needs to be lengthened, and I disagree with Choice Scarf being the primary option. It is too weak to be threatening without Band. Let me know when you've had a chance to go over this and implemented the changes, or if you want to discuss them move offline.
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:ss/mienshao:
[SET]
name: Tinted Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: Poison Jab / High Jump Kick
item: Choice Band / Choice Scarf
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, a powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, while ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can abuse them, which distinguishes it from other powerful breakers like Terrakion or Heracross. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for a possible Poison chance on Pokemon like Tapu Fini not sure of why you want to click pjab for fini, CC 2hko's anyway, so like ig you can mention Togekiss ? or rking SF lele maybe, and poison on hippo/kommo, but I'd slash it after hjk cuz i think hjk is better usually, while High Jump Kick provides an additional STAB move to supplement Close Combat's meager eight PP.I'd mention that you have to be careful of dhelmise A Choice Band is recommended to become a decently flexible breaker, with Close Combat becoming hard to switch intomention that it 2hko's fini/zapdos for example (it actually ohko's offensive zap but idt you have the room to say everything). However, Mienshao can use a Choice Scarf to provide important speed control, outspeeding fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda and threatening with a KO.

Mienshao often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can abuse them like Tapu Koko and Chandalure; in return, Mienshao threatens out special walls like Blissey and SIlvally-Dragon, or removes their item with Knock Off and makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Band Mienshao is a flexible breaker that can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down or abuse shared checks like Tapu Fini Tapu Fini is precisely not a check to Mienshao, that's why you run Choice Band, so mention like hippo or help to pass each other checks. Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, so balance teams heavily appreciate it threatening out fast threats like Choice Scarf Genesect and Mew mew will pretty much stay in, it takes 0, mention another fast threat. Mienshao often wants both hazard support in order to wear down its switch-ins and hazard removal so it does not accure chip damage. Some solid hazard support options include Ferrothorn and Water Absorb Landorus-T ? no Lando-T doesn't run Stealth Rock, which can switch into what threatens out Mienshao, like Azelf and Inteleon. Good Defoggers like Mandibuzz and Corviknight can remove troublesome entry hazards while forming a pivot core with Mienshao.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Regenerator set can consistently make progress versus many defensive cores due to Knock Off, U-turn, Close Combat, and a wide variety of coverage; however, it lacks the defensive utility or Speed to threaten out offensive threats consistently. Pretty sure this sucks, and I'd say there is no viable other sets (except SD if u want)

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physically defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao with their reliable recovery, and various ways of forcing out Mienshao. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can abuse Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. However, neither of them can come in safely, and even Dhelmise cannot take repeated Knock Off from a Choice Band set. since they die on the first knock yeah pretty much they cant take it repeatedly

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band sets are vulnerable to being pressured by a myriad of Pokemon, including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Latios, and a Genesect at +2.

**Priority**: Despite resisting Sucker Punch, this move doesnt exist Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

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[SET]
name: Tinted Lens Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: High Jump Kick / Poison Jab
item: Choice Band / Choice Scarf
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, a powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, while notably ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can abuse take advantage of them, which distinguishes it from other powerful wallbreakers like Terrakion or and Heracross. High Jump Kick provides an additional STAB move to supplement supplements Close Combat's meager eight PP, however this is risky to click versus but it's risky to use when opponents have Ghost-types like Dhelmise. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for a possible Poison chance poison on Pokemon like Kommo-O Kommo-o and Hippodown, (AC) as well as revenge killing non-Triage Tapu Lele consistently. A Choice Band is recommended to become make Mienshao a decently flexible wallbreaker, with Close Combat becoming hard to switch into, specifically 2HKOing all Tapu Fini and Zapdos. However, Mienshao can use a Choice Scarf to provide important speed control, outspeeding revenge kill important (as long as this makes sense) fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda and threatening with a KO.

Mienshao often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can abuse take advantage of them like Tapu Koko and Chandalure; Chandelure; in return, Mienshao threatens forces out special walls like Blissey and SIlvally-Dragon, or Silvally-Dragon, or it removes their items with Knock Off and makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Band Mienshao is a flexible breaker that flexible and can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down or abuse shared Mienshao's checks like Hippodown. For Cinderace, Hippowdon is a shared check, so it and Mienshao can rack up damage together, while Tapu Lele can outright break past Hippowdon. (I imagine this makes sense? if not, please clarify who is in the metaphorical box of just "wear down hippo" and who is in the box of "outright exploit hippo". if both cinderace and lele fit in the same box, add another example so both boxes (wear down and outright exploit) have an example. fix up any wording as needed. talk to me on disc if needed.) Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, so and balance teams heavily appreciate it threatening forcing out fast threats like Talonflame and Choice Scarf Genesect. Mienshao often wants both hazard support in order to wear down its switch-ins and hazard removal so it does not accure chip damage. Some solid hazard support options include Ferrothorn and Chansey, which can switch into what threatens entry hazard setters and removers. Ferrothorn and Chansey are solid setters and switch into foes that force out Mienshao, like Azelf and Inteleon. Good Defoggers like Mandibuzz and Corviknight can remove troublesome entry hazards while forming additionally form a pivot core with Mienshao.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

A Swords Dance set stands out from other similar sweepers thanks to Mienshao's wide variety of coverage options and a powerful STAB move; however, this set lacks immediate power and is forced out by the same Pokemon that the Choice Band set is forced out by, such as Terrakion. (should eg "Choice Scarf Terrakion" be specified? up to you if that is appropriate and worth doing)

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physically Defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao with their reliable recovery, and various ways of forcing out Mienshao. they force it out in various ways. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first (if appropriate, you can use "on the switch" instead of "first". if not appropriate, don't change) or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can abuse exploit Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. However, neither of them can come in safely.

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band sets are vulnerable to being Mienshao is pressured by a myriad of Pokemon, including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Choice Scarf Latios, and a Genesect at +2. +2 Genesect.

**Priority**: Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. against most priority moves. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while and Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

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[SET]
name: Tinted Lens Pivot
move 1: Close Combat
move 2: Knock Off
move 3: U-turn
move 4: High Jump Kick / Poison Jab
item: Choice Band / Choice Scarf
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Mienshao's niche lies in its solid Speed tier, a powerful STAB option in Close Combat, and useful utility options like Knock Off and U-turn. Knock Off removes items from switch-ins like Toxapex and Intimidate Corviknight, while notably ensuring that Mienshao doesn't take additional Rocky Helmet chip damage. U-turn pivots Mienshao out of counters it cannot wear down by itself, like Dauntless Shield Kommo-o and Hippodown, into a partner that can abuse take advantage of them, which distinguishes it from other powerful wallbreakers like Terrakion or and Heracross. High Jump Kick provides an additional STAB move to supplement supplements Close Combat's meager eight PP, however this is risky to click versus but it's risky to use when opponents have Ghost-types like Dhelmise. Poison Jab lets Mienshao fish for a possible Poison chance poison on Pokemon like Kommo-O Kommo-o and Hippodown, (AC) as well as revenge killing non-Triage Tapu Lele consistently. A Choice Band is recommended to become make Mienshao a decently flexible wallbreaker, with Close Combat becoming hard to switch into, specifically 2HKOing all Tapu Fini and Zapdos. However, Mienshao can use a Choice Scarf to provide important speed control, outspeeding revenge kill important (as long as this makes sense) fast threats like Tapu Koko and Barraskewda and threatening with a KO.

Mienshao often struggles with physically defensive Pokemon like Toxapex and Mew, so it appreciates partners that can abuse take advantage of them like Tapu Koko and Chandalure; Chandelure; in return, Mienshao threatens forces out special walls like Blissey and SIlvally-Dragon, or Silvally-Dragon, or it removes their items with Knock Off and makes it easier for its partners to break through them. Choice Band Mienshao is a flexible breaker that flexible and can fit on offensive cores featuring Pokemon like Cinderace and Tapu Lele, which can wear down or abuse shared Mienshao's checks like Hippodown. For Cinderace, Hippowdon is a shared check, so it and Mienshao can rack up damage together, while Tapu Lele can outright break past Hippowdon. (I imagine this makes sense? if not, please clarify who is in the metaphorical box of just "wear down hippo" and who is in the box of "outright exploit hippo". if both cinderace and lele fit in the same box, add another example so both boxes (wear down and outright exploit) have an example. fix up any wording as needed. talk to me on disc if needed.) Choice Scarf Mienshao hits a very important Speed tier that's hard to beat, so and balance teams heavily appreciate it threatening forcing out fast threats like Talonflame and Choice Scarf Genesect. Mienshao often wants both hazard support in order to wear down its switch-ins and hazard removal so it does not accure chip damage. Some solid hazard support options include Ferrothorn and Chansey, which can switch into what threatens entry hazard setters and removers. Ferrothorn and Chansey are solid setters and switch into foes that force out Mienshao, like Azelf and Inteleon. Good Defoggers like Mandibuzz and Corviknight can remove troublesome entry hazards while forming additionally form a pivot core with Mienshao.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
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A Swords Dance set stands out from other similar sweepers thanks to Mienshao's wide variety of coverage options and a powerful STAB move; however, this set lacks immediate power and is forced out by the same Pokemon that the Choice Band set is forced out by, such as Terrakion. (should eg "Choice Scarf Terrakion" be specified? up to you if that is appropriate and worth doing)

Checks and Counters
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**Physically Defensive Pokemon**: Physical walls like Prankster Toxapex and Dauntless Shield Skarmory stonewall Mienshao with their reliable recovery, and various ways of forcing out Mienshao. they force it out in various ways. They also often run Rocky Helmet, which forces Mienshao to use Knock Off first (if appropriate, you can use "on the switch" instead of "first". if not appropriate, don't change) or else risk chip damage racking up.

**Ghost-type Pokemon**: Pokemon like Dhelmise and Chandelure can abuse exploit Mienshao being locked into Close Combat to set up a Swords Dance or a Substitute, respectively. However, neither of them can come in safely.

**Faster Pokemon**: Choice Band sets are vulnerable to being Mienshao is pressured by a myriad of Pokemon, including Terrakion, Tapu Koko, Azelf, Cinderace, and Zygarde-10%. Choice Scarf sets also fail to outspeed Choice Scarf Azelf, Choice Scarf Latios, and a Genesect at +2. +2 Genesect.

**Priority**: Mienshao is frail and will falter to most forms on priority. against most priority moves. Triage users such as Tapu Lele can cleanly OHKO Mienshao, while and Grassy Surge users like Zarude can do the same with Grassy Glide.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Heracross2.0, 414072]]
- Quality checked by: [[UT, 523866], [Osake, 524664]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]
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