Mismagius Discussion -- The Perish Trapper

Currently, the suggested set for a Perish Trapping Mismagius is as follows.

name: Perish Trap
move 1: Mean Look
move 2: Perish Song
move 3: Protect
move 4: Taunt / Substitute / Pain Split
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 252hp/56def/200spdef

I think there could be something different, though. Very few threats in the game exist anymore that need to be taunted. What would you taunt? The only things to taunt would be things like Skarmory and status inflictions, especially sleep. The thing is, status weakness and whirlwind or roar weakness is a weakness that does not cripple the set. If the enemy team has a rare "phazer," take it out before attempting the set. Statuses in general are not going to completely cripple Mismagius.

Mismagius' main problem is that it dies to physical attacks. Anything that figures your set out will simply send out a physical attacker as you mean look and take you out in a heartbeat. With base stats of 60 in both HP and Defense, it dreads any incoming physical attacks, especially priority moves.

Essentially, we have two main things that cripple the set:

1) Roar and Whirlwind, Status Inflictions
2) Physical Attacks

In my humble opinion, I think that Option #1 is a lot rarer in the Diamond / Pearl Metagame. Besides, both of the possibilities in Option #1 conclude with an annoyance, something that hurts the set. Now, take a look at Option #2. Physical attacks. The predominant form of assault in the Diamond / Pearl Metagame. Something that does not just mean "annoyance." It means death.

To cure this problem, I think that Will-o-wisp is an absolute must on this set. The enemy will almost surely switch to a physical attacker as you Mean Look and / or Perish Song, most likely to a physical attacker. If you Will-o-wisp on the switch, you essentially beef yourself to a huge level of wall'age, with the natural ability to absorb a lot of special attacks as well as halving all physical damage against you. They essentially get two shots at you, and with a burn in place, it is much more difficult to take you down and destroy the mean look. Furthermore, even if you have to switch out and your initial plan fails, you at least did *something* to the other team -- you burned one of its main physical attackers. One of the major problems with the current set is that if it fails to faint you with Perish Song, it is a handicapped match. With Will-o-wisp, even if you are not able to survive or succeed, you at least perhaps crippled a potential physical sweeper. So, I would say that this set works the best when paired with a strong tank or wall with solid all-around defenses, like Cresselia or Swampert.

Another option is Thunder Wave. The whole point of the Perish Trap is that your enemy needs to switch immediately to a viable quick and powerful counter. Using Thunder Wave, while not necessarily helping you pull off your plan, can cripple fast hitting Pokemon like ScarfCross, who would otherwise enjoy the idea of a burn. Then again, Thunder Wave does nothing to some common threats like Garchomp.

Now, granted, Taunt has its uses, as does Substitute. I would shy away from Pain Split, myself, but it is certainly viable. If you do run Pain Split, though, I would suggest Lum Berry so that status inflictions do not hinder your performance.

Here is the set that I would run.

Mismagius @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
Calm, Levitate, 252 HP / 156 Sp.Def / 100 Defense
- Mean Look
- Perish Song
- Protect
- Will-o-wisp

Discuss!
 
I personally don't like Perish-Trapping Mismagius. I like to run Sub/Calm Mind. It makes her a formidable sweeper and special sponge all in one. Her SpDef really isn't bad, and she can easily pull the set off. Sub down to a Salac Berry, and her 105 base speed is boosted extremely high.

For the Perish-Trapping set though, Guts pokemon (See: Heracross) are a major problem. I find that Heracross is the most common physical switch-in to my Mismagius, and burning it would only heighten it's ability to sweep the rest of your team, not just Mismagius. I could see it working, but I'd personally probably run sub+protect if I didn't want/need Taunt.
 
Another possibility, I guess, is Thunder Wave. It could cripple fast sweepers switching in as well as offer support for slower teammates. I'll add that.
 
Yea, I'd much rather run TWave over WoW. While it may give Gut's pokemon 1.5x Atk still, 1/4 speed cripples them either way.
 
True, but major Guts pokemon are:
Machamp:typically No Guard.
Ursaring:could be Guts, but halves atk still if it's Quick Feet.
Heracross:You're fucked. Scout for this.
Swellow:Same as heracross and potentially ursaring, but is very uncommon.
Hariyama:Typically run Thick Fat.

Unless i've forgotten anything, these are the only Guts users you see nowadays. Heracross would be bad, yes, but the use of all of these pokemon is very rare. Heracross, through my battles, is declining in use, having seeng only 1 swellow, and 1 ursaring in all of my battles. (about 200, counting shoddy). Mahchamp and Hariyama were never too popular, and note how aside from Swellow, THESE ARE FIGHTING TYPES, not exactly the players first choice to send out, as the threat of psychic is typically too great.
 
Your Mismagius's moveset is screwed against a fast taunter, all you can do is struggle, and they get a free turn to set up.
 
Name a faster taunter that uses Taunt in a standard environment. Mismagius has a base speed of 110. And, if Mismagius was somehow taunted, it would not stay in the battle.
 
Exactly, after a Dragon Dance. You would not switch Mismagius into Gyarados after a Dragon Dance. I cannot fathom a single set for Mismagius that you would switch into Gyarados, period, much less after a Dragon Dance, =p.
 
Something I came up with before was pretty much an anti-blissey set. Not gonna work out the nature/EVs at the moment.

Mismagius@Leftovers?
Pain Split
Psych Up/Calm Mind
HP Fighting
Mean Look (?)

With this set, you can come in on a Stoss, and with a base 105 Sp. Def (And a +Sp.Def nature, with +Sp.Def EVs :D) you will shrug off Thunderbolt/Ice Beam. So, the Blissey wants to CM on you? Psych Up/CM yourself, and Pain Split to pretty much get a few full heals on yourself. You make sure to mean look so it doesn't switch on you, and when you have a few CMs on you, you will be set up to sweep (Course, only with HP Fighting). Other options include Shadow Ball (for STAB, and more choice) or Grudge (to get rid of Softboiled PP).
 
You mean Spite right?

For an anti-Blissey set I think this would work perfectly.
Pain Split
Curse
Mean Look
filler

Basically trap Blissey, Curse it then fill your HP with Pain Split and then stall until it dies. Spite should help kill Softboiled PP. This set is fairly narrow in scope though, basically for killing things that have lot offenses.
 
Mismagius has a simple Base Stat spread to remember.

HP 60 / 60 / 60 / 105 / 105 / 105 Speed

I think I'd actually run Psychic if Guts Pokemon will frequently switch in. Most Guts Pokes are Fighting and Swellow will get neutral.

However, Mismagius suffers from the insuperiority complex. Other Pokemon can do what Mismagius can rather easily... Other Pokemon that suffer from the insuperiority complex include Pinsir < Heracross, Snorlax < Blissey, Mismagius < Gengar, etc.

Mismagius only beats Gengar in typing and Sp. Def. Therefore, her best use is as a Spin Blocker. Gengar can't Spin Block against Psychics from Starmie and Mismagius can use Energy Ball which is Super Effective against most Spinners. These include Claydol, Starmie, Donphan, Blastoise, etc.

Perish Trapping has always been a major gimmick of Misdreavus and it hasn't changed since Misdreavus got an evolution.
 
However, Mismagius suffers from the insuperiority complex. Other Pokemon can do what Mismagius can rather easily... Other Pokemon that suffer from the insuperiority complex include Pinsir < Heracross, Snorlax < Blissey, Mismagius < Gengar, etc.
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Snorlax with its 110 attack and self destruct does not wish it was blissey.
 
Mismagius has a simple Base Stat spread to remember.

HP 60 / 60 / 60 / 105 / 105 / 105 Speed

I think I'd actually run Psychic if Guts Pokemon will frequently switch in. Most Guts Pokes are Fighting and Swellow will get neutral.

However, Mismagius suffers from the insuperiority complex. Other Pokemon can do what Mismagius can rather easily... Other Pokemon that suffer from the insuperiority complex include Pinsir < Heracross, Snorlax < Blissey, Mismagius < Gengar, etc.

Mismagius only beats Gengar in typing and Sp. Def. Therefore, her best use is as a Spin Blocker. Gengar can't Spin Block against Psychics from Starmie and Mismagius can use Energy Ball which is Super Effective against most Spinners. These include Claydol, Starmie, Donphan, Blastoise, etc.

Perish Trapping has always been a major gimmick of Misdreavus and it hasn't changed since Misdreavus got an evolution.
You do realize Misdreavus gets Calm Mind and Gengar doesn't, right?
I'd say that there isn't much going on, but there's Anti-Blissey sets going on, so even though their probably gimmicks, it is still worth spectulating about or debunking.
 
My favourite Mismagius set is the calm minder - it plays on its strengths and differences to gengar.

@Life Orb
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Calm Mind
Will o Wisp

<3
 
Gengar can have anti-Blissey sets too, as can pretty much anything with Focus Punch.

I've been messing around with a Mismagius set on shoddy for a little while that has actually worked pretty decently, but I think mostly just because it is unexpected:

-Taunt
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

I know, it sounds crazy, right? But I've been using it by switching it in on something it's faster than and threatens, using calm mind when they switch, and then taunting Blissey. Even if it has ice beam, it really can't do a whole lot to you thanks to the sdef boost from calm mind. If it stays in, you keep taunting it and powering up and eventually kill it because it can't softboil. If it switches out again, you've probably got at least two calm minds under your belt.

It's basically a special sweeping set that makes the game's premier special wall completely useless. It's also great against other things that rely on power up moves like Suicune. And I think it would also be a nasty trick to pull out on fighting types trying to EndRev, but I haven't gotten to test this yet.
 
I love that Taunt set against Blissey. That's awsome. Mismagius's SpDef is actually pretty good even after 1 CM (400+)
 
Weavile is a Fast Taunter and psychic is null against him, that's the only taunting threat I can think of that's fast and common.
 
If the enemy team has a rare "phazer," take it out before attempting the set.

Easier said than done. If you are good enough to take out Pokemon on demand like that I suppose you ditch Mismagius altogether and use something like Farfetch'd to increase your ego.
 
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