Mixed Emboar Analysis

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Introduction

As most know me I like Trick Room Pokemon, and I live in the OU Tier, but most Trick Room Pokemon are in the lower tier, not b/c their stats are bad, but the many threats in the OU. I'm going to try and point out cool things low tier Trick Room Pokemon can do. I have been testing and using Emboar, I really like using it on my team and I honestly believe it should be much higher in usage. Gamefreak gave us Emboar for a mixed Pokemon but because most people only use Emboar for Physical Sweeper it doesn't live up to its brothers Blazkien,and Infernape. Emboar can be a great Pokemon for this metagame when you use him correctly. It's only flaw is it's defenses, and trying to get him onto the field. Even though its high Base 110 HP is good, its base 65 Defenses are really shown in the OU Tier, b/c it can easily be revenged killed. But with the right team support and Trick Room it can easily dispose of A LOT of Pokemon.

Why an OU analysis?:

Emboar is just like Infernape except without Nasty Plot. But don't let this discourage you from you the Fire Pig. It’s an amazing Pokémon on paper, if you go with my Mixed Set he is able to hit 12 of the 17 Types Super Effectively . In the OU metagame, being able to hit that many types makes even Infernape scared. Emboar's Fire/Fighting-typing, there is nothing new about this typing, a resistance to Bug, Stealth Rock, and Rock, but is weak to Water, Psychic, Water, and Ground.

Here comes the hard part Blaze or Reckless?! Even though its Dream World Ability isn't released yet, many people are undecided on whether to use Reckless or stick with Blaze. For my Mixed Emboar, Reckless is not chosen, and I'll tell you why. Flare Blitz doesn't KO enough Pokemon compared to Overheat. The Recoil damage from Flare Blitz makes Emboar vulnerable to Scizor's Bullet Punch, and Conkeldurr's Mach Punch, and ExtremeSpeed from Dragonite. Head Smash is death to Emboar, It can only survive two Head Smash with Reckless, and its only going to take out Volcanora. Dragonite laughs at Head Smash with Multscale and KOs him with Earthquake. Wild Charge is good to hit Water Types but in the OU tier, Slowbro laughs at Wild Charge and uses Slack Off and KOs him with Psychic or Scald. Just from his three recoil moves proves that in the OU, Reckless is unnecessary, and will ensure your sweeper dies in two or one turn.

Now if you use Mixed Emboar offensively, Emboar leaves a lot to be desired with a impressive Base 123 Attack Stat and 100 Special Attack Stat. To show, Emboar’s strongest reliable STAB physical and Special attack are Overheat and Hammer Arm. Its hard to set up on Emboar because with its 4 moves most people won't know what else Emboar has in the bag. For a Glass Cannon Pokémon like Emboar, it has some bulk, but switch-in can be extremely dangerous due to Rain Teams and Sand Teams it switches into. But with the right support this Pokemon can be the best Mixed Attacker for Trick Room Teams.

[Overview]

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Name: Mixed Sweeper
Move 1: Hammer Arm / SuperPower
Move 2: Overheat / Fire Blast
Move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Grass Knot
Move 4: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
Item: Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
Nature: Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
EVs: 188 HP / 128 Atk / 192 SAtk
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/2 for Hidden Power Ice

[SET COMMENTS]
  • Powerful Mixed Sweeper
  • The Evs are for more bulk to Emboar while maintaing an offensive force to be reckon with.
  • Good on Trick Room Teams, but outside of Trick Room its completely slow.
  • Hits 12 / 17 types super effectively
  • Stone Edge hits Flying types super effectively , who KOs him
  • Hammer Arm is the main selling point, as it KOs all Tyranitar's, Blissey, Chansey, Heatrans and Magnezone with and without Stealth Rock
  • Hidden Power Ice insures that Gliscor, Landorus, Salamace, and Flygon are OHKO. While Dragonite, Haxarous are 2HKO.
  • OverHeat KOs Scizor, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory even in the Rain!
  • Life Orb insures the KOs of a lot of threats in the OU Tier, but if you don't like the Recoil damage you can opt for Expert Belt is to increase super effective moves, well since he hits all pokemon thats an increase to boost.
  • If the Accuracy of Hammer arm bothers you, you can opt for SuperPower which can insure a OHKO of Eviolite on Chansey, but having two stat drops on Emboar is bad and the defense drop is bad for the OU Tier.

[Emboar Attacking Stats]

Here are some calculations of Emboar facing the OU tier. Most of the pokemon he's facing has Stealth Rock on the field.
192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Hidden Power Ice vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Gliscor: 112.99% - 133.33% (Guaranteed OHKO)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Hidden Power Ice vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Salamence (-SpDef) : 128.1% - 149.85% (Guaranteed OHKO)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 248 HP/0 SpDef Scizor: 332.36% - 390.09% (Guaranteed OHKO) ( In the Rain)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Ferrothorn (+SpDef) : 86.93% - 103.98% (62.5% chance to OHKO) (In the Rain)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 252 HP/252 Def Blissey (+Def) : 103.78% - 122.27% (Guaranteed OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 252 HP/252 Def Eviolite Chansey (+Def) : 77.13% - 90.77% (25% chance to OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 4 HP/0 Def Scrafty: 133.46% - 157.72% (Guaranteed OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 4 HP/0 Def Latios: 54.3% - 63.91% (2 hits to KO) with or Without Stealth Rock

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 224 HP/0 SpDef Jirachi: 119.4% - 139.8% (Guaranteed OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 4 HP/0 Def Politoed (Choice Scarf and Choice Specs): 80.43% - 95.03% (50% chance to OHKO) (with Stealth Rock)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 0 HP/0 Def Infernape: 92.49% - 108.87% (Guaranteed OHKO)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Hidden Power Ice vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Tornadus (-SpDef) : 70.9% - 82.94% (62.5% chance to OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 0 HP/0 Def Tornadus: 122.41% - 143.81% (Guaranteed OHKO)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 252 HP/132 SpDef Sableye (+SpDef) : 84.21% - 99.01% (75% chance to OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 252 HP/0 Def Chople Berry Tyranitar: 94.31% - 110.64% (Guaranteed OHKO) (With Stealth Rock)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Bronzong (+SpDef) : 90.53% - 106.51% (81.25% chance to OHKO) (With Stealth Rock)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Hidden Power Ice vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Landorus: 120.38% - 141.69% (Guaranteed OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 0 HP/0 Def Rotom-W (Choice Specs & Choice Scarf): 80.08% - 94.61% (50% chance to OHKO) (With Stealth Rock)

192 SpAtk Life Orb Emboar Overheat vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Celebi (+SpDef) : 83.91% - 98.76% (75% chance to OHKO) (With Stealth Rock)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Hammer Arm vs 4 HP/0 Def Terrakion: 138.89% - 162.96% (Guaranteed OHKO)

128 Atk Life Orb Emboar (+Atk) Stone Edge vs 156 HP/96 Def Gyarados: 80% - 94.05% (Guaranteed OHKO) (With Stealth Rock)

[Other Options]

  • If you have a problem with Hippowdon, Swampert or Quasire, you can have Grass Knot, but you lose some coverage
  • If the Accuracy of Hammer arm bothers you, you can opt for SuperPower which can insure a OHKO of Eviolite on Chansey, but having two stat drops on Emboar is bad and the defense drop is bad for the OU Tier.
  • Life Orb insures the KOs of a lot of threats in the OU Tier, but if you don't like the Recoil damage you can opt for Expert Belt is to increase super effective moves, well since he hits all pokemon thats an increase to boost.
  • If you don't like the stat drop in your Special Attack from OverHeat, you can opt for Fire Blast, but the accuracy in Fire Blast is not worth it.


[Teammates & Counters]

  • Slowbro, Reuniclus, Latios, and Gyarados are Emboar's greatest nemesis.
  • Gastrodon, Slowbro and Slowking outslow Emboar in Trick Room, and hit it hard with a STAB Water move
  • Pokemon that can set up Trick Room are great partners for Emboar, most notably Jellicent, and Reuniclus
  • Gastrodon pairs with Emboar well, drawing in all common Water attacks away from it , giving Emboar one less thing to worry about
  • The downfall of this set is that it needs Trick Room Support.
  • A Pokemon that can set up Stealth Rock is needed for a sure OHKO by Emboar.
  • Spikes is also good but I believe Stealth Rock is better.



[Overview]

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name: TailWind Mixed Attacker
move 1: Flare Blitz
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Wild Charge
move 4: Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb
nature: Naughty
evs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe

[Set Comments]
  • 68 Speed EVs allow you to outrun standard 24 Speed Skarmory
  • If you want you can drop down to 64 to outspeed standard Wobbuffet and tie with Skarmory.
  • Flare Blitz always OHKOes Skarmory after Stealth Rock (if it's not raining).
  • Superpower always OHKOes Heatran
  • Wild Charge always 2HKOes both Tentacruel and Jellicent after Stealth Rock (you outspeed Jellicent but not Tentacruel, fyi).
  • Hidden Power Ice always OHKOes Gliscor on the switch, though to be honest that doesn't seem very useful as Gliscor OHKOes you. However, it also prevents Dragonite from setting up on you.

[Teammates & Counters]
  • Good teammates would be ones that gives Tailwind. With Tailwind, Emboar reaches 346 in Speed. Which speed ties Infernape, and is faster than most Base 95 speed Pokemon.
  • Good teammate would be Sigilyph, which Psychic, and is immune to ground.
  • Forrestress, Donphan and Starmie are good partners to get rid of Entry Hazards which hurts Emboar in the long run
 
We don't really do specialized Trick Room sets bar Pokemon that are actually good in their own right (like OTR Reuniclus). I also can't really see Emboar doing anything beneficial outside of TR, as it's outclassed by Infernape. Yes, Emboar has higher attack, but it has weaker STAB moves and doesn't have the speed to threaten anything but full stall. (And even then, Tentacruel / Jellicent is coming in all day...)

Also, all of the calcs you listed are not very convincing. Of course LO HP Ice is OHKOing Mence, Landorus, etc. And yeah, showing that Overheat does 300% damage to Scizor isn't really helpful either.

What would be more helpful is if you showed some calcs against defensive threats that matter (calcs against Scarf/Specs toed -_____-). Showing that calc against Gyarados is a good start as it would indeed be a common switchin to Emboar. However, does Emboar 2HKO Jellicent? Can it beat defensive Politoed? A lot of your calcs don't really set it apart from anything else, as virtually any Fighting-type in OU can ohko Terrakion with an STAB Fighting-type attack. What makes Emboar special?

Of course, if Trick Room is the only environment that Emboar is meant to be used in, then a good idea is to submit for it to be added to any Trick Room article (should one ever be written for OU, lol.) That's the most likely place for a set to fit if it's only meant for TR.

(3:17:25 PM) Woodchuck: pstats, emboar
(3:17:26 PM) pstats: Emboar [Fire/Fighting] Blaze/Reckless (DW, Unreleased) | 110/123/65/100/65/65 | NU | GK/LK: 100 BP
(3:17:29 PM) Woodchuck: pstats, electivire
(3:17:29 PM) pstats: Electivire [Electric] Motor Drive/Vital Spirit (DW) | 75/123/67/95/85/95 | RU | GK/LK: 100 BP
(3:18:36 PM) RayJay: its like electivire but terrible instead of semi bad
edit: If you want, you could see if you could get Emboar added to this article, idk.

Oh, and I don't mean to be discouraging. It's clear you've put a lot of effort into this OP so I hope this doesn't make you avoid doing similar things in the future!
 
Woodchuck said:
We don't really do specialized Trick Room sets bar Pokemon that are actually good in their own right (like OTR Reuniclus). I also can't really see Emboar doing anything beneficial outside of TR, as it's outclassed by Infernape. Yes, Emboar has higher attack, but it has weaker STAB moves and doesn't have the speed to threaten anything but full stall. (And even then, Tentacruel / Jellicent is coming in all day...)

Also, all of the calcs you listed are not very convincing. Of course LO HP Ice is OHKOing Mence, Landorus, etc. And yeah, showing that Overheat does 300% damage to Scizor isn't really helpful either.

What would be more helpful is if you showed some calcs against defensive threats that matter (calcs against Scarf/Specs toed -_____-). Showing that calc against Gyarados is a good start as it would indeed be a common switchin to Emboar. However, does Emboar 2HKO Jellicent? Can it beat defensive Politoed? A lot of your calcs don't really set it apart from anything else, as virtually any Fighting-type in OU can ohko Terrakion with an STAB Fighting-type attack. What makes Emboar special?

Of course, if Trick Room is the only environment that Emboar is meant to be used in, then a good idea is to submit for it to be added to any Trick Room article (should one ever be written for OU, lol.) That's the most likely place for a set to fit if it's only meant for TR.

(3:17:25 PM) Woodchuck: pstats, emboar
(3:17:26 PM) pstats: Emboar [Fire/Fighting] Blaze/Reckless (DW, Unreleased) | 110/123/65/100/65/65 | NU | GK/LK: 100 BP
(3:17:29 PM) Woodchuck: pstats, electivire
(3:17:29 PM) pstats: Electivire [Electric] Motor Drive/Vital Spirit (DW) | 75/123/67/95/85/95 | RU | GK/LK: 100 BP
(3:18:36 PM) RayJay: its like electivire but terrible instead of semi bad
edit: If you want, you could see if you could get Emboar added to this article, idk.

Oh, and I don't mean to be discouraging. It's clear you've put a lot of effort into this OP so I hope this doesn't make you avoid doing similar things in the future!
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Weaker STAB moves, Infernape and Emboar have the same STAB moves. The only difference is Close Combat, but Emboar has SuperPower which has the same Base Attack.

Emboar is mostly seen on Trick Room Teams and is all Physical, so I wanted to put an effective Mixed Emboar set on Smogon.

And yes I will put in some Defensive Calculations to show how he does against Defensive Walls in the OU.

It OHKOs Gliscor who is the most defensive Pokemon in the OU.
 
Sciztar said:
It OHKOs Gliscor who is the most defensive Pokemon in the OU.
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Choice Specs Unown Hidden Power Ice vs Defensive Gliscor: 432-512 (122.03 - 144.63%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And by weaker, I meant Infernape can Close Combat multiple times without dropping its Attack. Infernape also has higher SpA than Emboar, so Overheat does more damage.

And, as I said, a set like this would best fit in a dedicated Trick Room article, as sets meant only to be run in Trick Room aren't really put onsite. Especially because Trick Room isn't very good in OU.

I actually think you did a great job with this set, it's just unfortunate that dedicated Trick Room sets aren't generally put onsite.
 
Woodchuck said:
Choice Specs Unown Hidden Power Ice vs Defensive Gliscor: 432-512 (122.03 - 144.63%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Step it up Woodchuck
Choice Specs Azurrill Ice Beam vs Defensive Gliscor: 336-396 (94.91 - 111.86%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO

Weaker STAB moves, Infernape and Emboar have the same STAB moves. The only difference is Close Combat, but Emboar has SuperPower which has the same Base Attack.
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Close Combat doesn't drop Attack, making it better if for some reason it needs to stay in for longer than 2 turns.

Name: Mixed Sweeper
Move 1: Hammer Arm / SuperPower
Move 2: Overheat / Fire Blast
Move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Grass Knot
Move 4: Stone Edge / Rock Slide
Item: Life Orb
Trait: Blaze / Reckless
Nature: Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
EVs: 188 HP / 128 Atk / 192 SAtk
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/2 for Hidden Power Ice
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1.Reckless is unreleased.
2. Your set lacks moves that are boosted by Reckless.

I actually think you did a great job with this set, it's just unfortunate that dedicated Trick Room sets aren't generally put onsite.
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Forgot this
 
Actually, if I was going to run Emboar in OU outside of Trick Room, this is what I'd run:

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name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Flare Blitz
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Wild Charge
move 4: Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb
nature: Naughty
evs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe

68 Speed EVs allow you to outrun standard Skarmory (though that's speed creep, so you probably have to drop down to 64 to outspeed standard Wobbuffet and tie with Skarmory). Flare Blitz always OHKOes Skarmory after Stealth Rock (if it's not raining). Superpower always OHKOes Heatran, and Wild Charge always 2HKOes both Tentacruel and Jellicent after Stealth Rock (you outspeed Jellicent but not Tentacruel, fyi). Hidden Power Ice always OHKOes Gliscor on the switch, though to be honest that doesn't seem very useful as Gliscor OHKOes you. However, it also prevents Dragonite from setting up on you.

So yeah, the most crucial thing is Emboar's higher attack than Infernape and its access to Wild Charge. These two traits allow it to do what Infernape cannot: 2HKO Jellicent, and OHKO Gyarados even after an Intimidate (Though you need Stealth Rock to OHKO RestTalk Gyara). If you don't make use of these things, Emboar is pretty much completely outclassed by Infernape outside of Trick Room.
 
Yeah, we don't put specialised Trick Room sets on our analyses unless they are exceptional at what they do (and they can set up Trick Room themselves). Even in Trick Room, this set is pretty ordinary anyway.
 
ummm

just saying that we don't usually accept Tailwind sets either. Even WITH Tailwind Emboar is quite slow. Hitting the same speed as Infernape under Tailwind is not fast at all, and is beaten by many common scarfers. You should really consider what strengths it has over Infernape (I cannot think of any atm but maybe you can) since otherwise, I just think its horribly outclassed by it.

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At least make the EV spread something like 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed Naive or something so you can abuse Tailwind better -_-
 
ugh. I really think if this even gets an OU analysis, you should just run this with a scarf. Tailwind does not nearly last long enough for Emboar to really do anything, same as trick room. With tailwind it still gets outsped by common scarfers and many of the faster mons of OU.

Putting a scarf on this mixed set is the only thing i can think of, but even then it really isn't that good. If i were to use this guy in OU i would only ever go with scarfed pure physical emboar, and even then its outclassed, so i probably wouldn't use it anyways.

there is a reason Emboar is NU, I think we should leave it at that.
 
name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Flare Blitz
move 2: Superpower
move 3: Wild Charge
move 4: Hidden Power Ice
item: Life Orb
nature: Naughty
evs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spe

68 Speed EVs allow you to outrun standard Skarmory (though that's speed creep, so you probably have to drop down to 64 to outspeed standard Wobbuffet and tie with Skarmory). Flare Blitz always OHKOes Skarmory after Stealth Rock (if it's not raining). Superpower always OHKOes Heatran, and Wild Charge always 2HKOes both Tentacruel and Jellicent after Stealth Rock (you outspeed Jellicent but not Tentacruel, fyi). Hidden Power Ice always OHKOes Gliscor on the switch, though to be honest that doesn't seem very useful as Gliscor OHKOes you. However, it also prevents Dragonite from setting up on you.

So yeah, the most crucial thing is Emboar's higher attack than Infernape and its access to Wild Charge. These two traits allow it to do what Infernape cannot: 2HKO Jellicent, and OHKO Gyarados even after an Intimidate (Though you need Stealth Rock to OHKO RestTalk Gyara). If you don't make use of these things, Emboar is pretty much completely outclassed by Infernape outside of Trick Room.
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People forget good old NP Infernape, it seems...

+2 LO Grass Knot vs 252/0 Jellicent: 114.85% - 135.64%
+2 LO Grass Knot vs 252/0 Gyarados: 73.86% - 87.06% (87% chance to OHKO after SR)

Even for standard mixed set:
LO Grass Knot vs 252/0 Jellicent: 57.43% - 67.82% (easy 2HKO)
- As for Gyarados, you can always fit a coverage move for it.

Face it, Emboar can do nothing that Infernape cannot. Hell if for some reason we unbanned Blaze Blaziken, even that would completely trash Emboar's viability. Emboar is just bad, no need to try and sugarcoat it.
 
The fact that we're trying to sugarcoat things with Tailwind and Trick Room is making this all the more questionable. Try again.

QC Rejected
 
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