My final Gen 4 Team...ENJOY!!!

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EDIT: Thanks to Blazin Kicking Chicken I've made changes and they've worked out great. Thank Blazin!

This is my final 4th gen team. It's purpose is to set up sandstorm, spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock and cause a lot of switches to wear down the opponent's pokemon in order for Lucario to sweep at the end.

Lead:
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Hippodown @ Leftovers
Impish
252 HP / 152 Def / 104 SpD
~ Earthquake
~ Slack Off
~ Stealth Rock
~ Roar

I used to have Swampert for Stealth Rocks and Forrestress as my lead. While playing it kinda hit me...Hippowdown is a lot more bulky than Swampert and can still lay down Stealth Rock AND get sandstorm going. He has the same set as my Swampert did but Slack off instead of Ice Beam (I never even got the chance to use Icebeam anyways). Sandstorm negates leftovers for my opponent and helps wear them down even more to help with Lucario's sweep. I guess this is a sandstorm team in the end after the changes.


Special Defense Wall:
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Forrestress @ Leftovers
Careful
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
~ Spikes
~ Payback
~ Rapid Spin
~ Toxic Spikes

This is my lead, and yes you saw that correctly, my special defensive wall and my counter to ghosts and psychics(w/ out HP fire). He has sooo many resistances and he works great w/ Swampert with a 4x resistence to grass. Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Rapid Spin are obvious. The special defense ev's allow him to surive Magnezone's HP Fire most of the time, allowing me to get 1 more layer up before I die. Payback is for ghosts. My lead used to be Machamp but this guy is going much better. With the ev's, he can even survive a HP Fire from Roserade.


Spin-blocker:
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Rotom-C @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe
~ Thunderbolt
~ Shadow Ball
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Leaf Storm

The good 'ol lawn mower. The ev's are to help him defensively and to outspeed Tyrannitar and burn him or reeaally damage him w/ Leaf Storm...whichever I'm in the mood for. He's such a great counter to all the rapid spinners out there minus Forrestress. He destroys Swampert, Donphan, and Starmie. It's fun watching a Swampert switch out to a Scizor expecting Leaf Storm, and instead gets a Will-O-Wisp.

Special Attacker:
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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Naive
252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~ Flamethrower
~ Earth Power
~ Explosion
~ Hidden Power Electric

This is my main special attacker, Scizor/Steel counter, and secondary Gengar counter. He's good to switch in if I predict a scarfer using trick. He takes fire attacks aimed at Forrestress, Celebi, and Lucario with ease. HP Electric is for Gyarados and weakened Waters. Explosion is to go out with a bang against Blissey if I've scouted and predict a switch.



Physical Wall and Breloom Counter:
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold
240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
~ Grass Knot
~ Leech Seed
~ Hidden Power Fire
~ Recover

Even though Celebi has 7 weaknesses, she's done great. Celebi is my main Breloom counter. Along with Heatran they make a GREAT defensive core. Grass Knot is for stab to hit Swampert, Tyrannitar, and waters. HP Fire is for steels(Scizor, Metagross, and Jirachi) and other grass pokemon. With the ev's, Pursuit hardly does anything from Scizor. Leech Seed and recover are to stay alive.

Physical Attacker and late game sweeper:
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Lucario @ Life Orb
Jolly
252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Crunch

The best Blissey counter in the game imo. SD on the switch and sweep away...pretty simple. Crunch is for Rotom and other ghosts who come in(although Gengar is faster so that's a problem). Close Combat is for raw power. Extremespeed is to finish off weakened foes and is good for faster pokemon like Starmie, Joleton, and Infernape. All of the entry hazards that this team sets up are wonderful for Lucario, even allowing him to OHKO Skarmory w/ a SD boosted Close Combat.
 
Hello, this looks like a fairly effective team already, but I think I can help make it better.

There are two reasons I think you should drop Machamp from your team. One, it is quite outdated in the current metagame, with leads it once beat with ease such as Azelf and Heatran adapting and utilizing sets so they can beat it. Two, it is not really doing much for your team. If you want to wear the opponent down, you want hazards right from the get-go to limit the amount of switching they can do. Since Swampert is a poor lead nowadays (everything started using grass moves to beat it, it seems), I'd recommend moving Forretress to the lead position, where it can set up on common leads such as Metagross and opposing Swampert. I'd also include Toxic Spikes on its moveset. You're saying you don't want to clash with Rotom-C's Will-O-Wisp, but poisoning offensive Suicune, who gives you some trouble, is incredibly valuable for you. The pokes you're gonna want to burn are mostly ones that don't get affected by T-Spikes, like Scizor, Metagross, Dragonite, Flygon, etc.

Swampert is a solid Pokemon, but it unfortunately is a magnet to Breloom, who your team has trouble with. Now that you have a slot open by dropping Machamp, I'd recommend you use a defensive Celebi, which is the best counter to Breloom you'll find. Along with Swampert and Heatran, you resist every type in the game, which is of course not everything to winning a battle but it certainly never hurts. The set is:

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
- Grass Knot
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

Once you let something go to sleep (whatever is least useful in the current battle), you switch this in and wall the living daylights out of all forms of Breloom. The 16 Spe lets you outrun it just incase you need to get off a Recover or HP Fire before it kills you at low health.

I'd also recommend Bullet Punch over ExtremeSpeed on Lucario. It stops Gengar/Scarftar from ruining your sweep, plus gives you some extra insurance against Gengar in the first place, since currently ScarfTran is your only method of killing it. Plus in case your Swampert goes down it prevents +1/+1 DD non-Babiri Ttar from sweeping you.

Otherwise, very good team and good luck.
 
Blazin Kickin Chicken said:
Hello, this looks like a fairly effective team already, but I think I can help make it better.

There are two reasons I think you should drop Machamp from your team. One, it is quite outdated in the current metagame, with leads it once beat with ease such as Azelf and Heatran adapting and utilizing sets so they can beat it. Two, it is not really doing much for your team. If you want to wear the opponent down, you want hazards right from the get-go to limit the amount of switching they can do. Since Swampert is a poor lead nowadays (everything started using grass moves to beat it, it seems), I'd recommend moving Forretress to the lead position, where it can set up on common leads such as Metagross and opposing Swampert. I'd also include Toxic Spikes on its moveset. You're saying you don't want to clash with Rotom-C's Will-O-Wisp, but poisoning offensive Suicune, who gives you some trouble, is incredibly valuable for you. The pokes you're gonna want to burn are mostly ones that don't get affected by T-Spikes, like Scizor, Metagross, Dragonite, Flygon, etc.

Swampert is a solid Pokemon, but it unfortunately is a magnet to Breloom, who your team has trouble with. Now that you have a slot open by dropping Machamp, I'd recommend you use a defensive Celebi, which is the best counter to Breloom you'll find. Along with Swampert and Heatran, you resist every type in the game, which is of course not everything to winning a battle but it certainly never hurts. The set is:

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spe
- Grass Knot
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

Once you let something go to sleep (whatever is least useful in the current battle), you switch this in and wall the living daylights out of all forms of Breloom. The 16 Spe lets you outrun it just incase you need to get off a Recover or HP Fire before it kills you at low health.

I'd also recommend Bullet Punch over ExtremeSpeed on Lucario. It stops Gengar/Scarftar from ruining your sweep, plus gives you some extra insurance against Gengar in the first place, since currently ScarfTran is your only method of killing it. Plus in case your Swampert goes down it prevents +1/+1 DD non-Babiri Ttar from sweeping you.

Otherwise, very good team and good luck.
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If I switch Machamp for Celebi and make Forrestress my lead then I lose a very good physical attacker. Would that work?

Also, what about Bullet Punch, Extremespeed, and CC for Lucario?
 
BP/CC/ESpeed on Lucario should only be used if you're Adamant, but your version is Jolly, used to get Crunches off on non-Scarfed Rotom-A (like the recently popular Specs Rotom-W) and I think you need it to have some sort of backup insurance against offensive Suicune, who is outsped by Jolly but outspeeds Adamant.

Losing Machamp really does not do much for you because it is a very outdated lead that is prepared for by nearly everything. You'll run into an Azelf lead, where normally you would just Payback+BP it for the kill but now it'll kill you with either a Life Orb Psychic or a CB Zen Headbutt. You'll run into Heatran leads that are Specs or LO with Overheat just to kill you. You'll run into Dragonite leads that are CB just to kill you with Outrage, so on and so forth. Plus, if you keep it, you're really weak to Breloom.
 
Well, I have to say, nice team, it looks pretty solid, so I dont have too many drastic.

Use Rotom-W instead of Rotom-C
No Swampert in their right mind is going to stay in on a Rotom with Leaf Storm, its too obvious. Rotom with Hydro Pump lets you hit the two biggest switchins to it: Tyranitar and Heatran. Plus, you have Celebi which totally cockblocks Swampert ;D

Sword Dance Lucario is a deadly sweeper, but imo, it is beaten by a lot of common things: Scarf Rotom, Scarf Tyranitar, Scarf Heatran, Gliscor, Flygon (full health) It is good, but far too overprepared for. Try Agility Lucario:

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
~ Agility
~ Close Combat
~ Crunch
~ Ice Punch

This thing takes advantage of the fact that people prepare for Sword Dance variants. Agility Lucario is a deadly sweeper, and ohko's every single SD Luke counter while doing it. It does get beaten by by Swampert, Hippowdon, Rest Talk Gyarados and Skarmory, so make sure weaken those before you sweep.
Try it out. All the cool kids use it :p

Thats about all the advice I have. Good luck with the team :)
 
I've switched out Swampert for Hippodown and made it my lead instead of Forrestress. I tried Agility Lucario but it didn't have the power that SD does. Does any see any glaring weakness that I've missed since I've switched? Also, I have trouble with flyers like Zapdos and Gliscor...anyone have a suggestion for a good pokemon that can use Toxic?

I'm also thinking of putting a ScarfTar on my team somewhere b/c I'm having trouble with pokemon like Starmie and Gengar. Any suggestions?
 
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