My First Really competeive team

DaNukes

here is a team that i recently started to use on wi-fi battles
but it is also a pretty good shoddy team as well.

Yanmega @focus sash; Speed boost
Modest 6 hp 252 Sp.A 252 spe
-bug buzz
-air slash
-hypnosis
-protect

Here is a pokemon taken right off of shoddy that makes a darn good lead. Anything that out speeds it will be met with a protect, and with focus sash it can 2HKO most opposing sweepers with focus sash, and against tanks hypnosis puts them out of commision

Togekiss @King's Rock; Serene Grace
Modest 252 hp 128 def 134 Sp.D
-Air slash
-Body slam
-Roost
-Aura sphere

My favorite and annoying pokemon to use, the para-flinching togekiss. This set utilizes Kings' rock to effectively give it an 80% chance to flinch, and combined with body slam (although most of the time I use my blissey's thunder wave to paralyze it) it will be near impossible for it to move. Thanks to the modest nature he has decent special attack and with aura sphere it can hit those types that resist air slash. don't think too lowly of this set, as it can easily take down tanks who are slower than togekiss without paralysis support (I have taken down a Blissey with this set before)

Gyrados @leftovers; Intimidate
Jolly 212 Hp; 100 atk. 128 Def; 70 spe
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang
- Taunt

Typical BulkyGyra, and yes i do know that it is supposed to have an adamant nature but I got a jolly nature and was too lazy to find an adamant one and decided to just increase the atk Ev's and lower the Spe. (this is still not as efficient as the adamant nature set however, and has 9 less atk because of this). This is my secondary tank killer after togekiss seeing as it can taunt and then DD on the switch.

Gliscor @leftovers; sand veil
Impish 252 hp; 6 atk; 252 def
- roost
-stealth rock
-earthquake
-Aerial Ace

My primary and only physical wall. I mainly switch this on a physical sweeper and set up SR on the switch. This has also proven to eb effective late game, where the only thing the opponent has is a physical sweeper, whom gliscor can easily handle with either earthquake or aerial ace. Another interesting thing i found out about it is that it can survive electivire's ice punch's and OHKO back with earthquake (later roosting off the damage), a very handy counter if it can manage to switch in on an earthquake or thunder punch.

Blissey @leftovers Serene grace
Serious 252 hp; 252 def; 6 Sp.D
-Counter
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave
-Seismic Toss

The reason for the serious nature is because it was caught in XD and was part of an all XD team and i didn't want to train another one (However on Shoddy it has a Bold nature). That is also the reason for Serene Grace, but i have found that to be more of a blessing, as it allows my blissey to be a potent sleep absorber on my team (since many of the sleepers like gengar and yanemga are special sweepers). However the main promise lies with counter. Many a time the opponent switches in a physical sweeper ( or after a pokemon is killed i switch in Blissey) and they are surprised to see that my blissey hasn't sustained as much damage as a regular one, and then are countered to their death. In the late game this becomes extremely useful as they may have only special sweepers left, allowing my blissey to softboil off all the damage as well. It is another favorite of my own to come in a special sweeper and thunder wave either the special sweeper or the pokemon they switch in, then i switch to togekiss and para-flinch them to death, while they can't do a thing.

Garchomp @Yache berry; Sand Veil
Hasty nature 6 hp; 252 atk; 252 spe
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Fire fang
- Earthquake

Yes this the main Garchomp set that is being tested on the suspect ladder. The reason for the hasty nature is that i bred 100+ gibles and none of them had a jolly or adamant nature so i settled for hasty (with 31 atk IV and 26 spe IV, which is pretty good for a wifi team). The set up is pretty simple: switch into something that won't do much to garchomp and that garchomp preferably scares, then SD and proceed to attack with the proper move. Very evil, but i have included the substitute for the suspect ladder and if garchomp ever gets banned from OU (and wifi)

My subsitute for Garchomp:

Electivire @ Expert Belt; Motor Drive
Adamant 6 hp; 252 atk; 252 spe
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Cross Chop

This is another Physical sweeper in replacement for garchomp that has great type coverage and great atk and spe. However, the strategy with this is to switch in on an electric move aimed at gyardos. Since it has the maximum possible atk (discounting the Iv's which i forgot) and choice scarf like speed, it is very capable of sweeping through teams due to its immense type coverage and speed.
 
just pointing this out but you have a big ice weakness with garchomp, togekiss, yanmega and gliscor all weak to it. something like a weavile or anything attacker with an ice move could take out a big chunk of your team could really tear this team apart
 
Well, I think you should take off Ice Fang on Gyarados for Earthquake, becuase of better type coverage. Also, have Dragon Claw on Garchomp so that you don't have to play "Flip the Coin" everytime so that you might hurt yourself in confusion. I remember one time you were battling and killed yourself in Confusion after you had SD. Another option for Garchomp is to give it a Scarf and then have a Mixed sweeper set, if I remember correctly, and with a Hasty nature, it can go very fast. I think another option would be for you to get either a Tyranitar or a Hippowdon, and make it a SS team, preferably Tyranitar, i think. You can use the BOAH set or the DDtar set, I seem to recall you sayaing you hated BOAH though. If not sure who you can take out. Yanmega can also hold a Wide Lens, to improve the accuracy of Hypnosis. I faced a set similar to this on Shoddy, but it used Wide Lens. For Blissey, I guess you should watch out for Focus Blast. I think your team is very good overall, with only minor areas.

Ratings: Yanmega: 9.0
Togekiss: 9.5
Gyarados: 8.0
Gliscor: 9.0
Blissey: 8.5
Garchomp: 9.5 I
'm not rating Electivire, because you just took it off of PBR and EV trained it. That's not a bad thing, it's just that i think that Nintendo just made it really good.

OVERALL: 87.50 out of 100
 
cpt.aizen said:
just pointing this out but you have a big ice weakness with garchomp, togekiss, yanmega and gliscor all weak to it. something like a weavile or anything attacker with an ice move could take out a big chunk of your team could really tear this team apart
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yanmega has hypnosis, garchomp has yache berry, after they are paralysed togekiss will be flinching them 80% of the time and with para included that gives them a 10% chance of attaking, and gliscor, as I said can survive electivivre's ice punch (with expert belt) although for weavilee i'm not too sure since it has STAB. But you are right i have 4 flying type's on my team and i probably should change that
 
i know that they can handle the attacks with yanmega and hypnosis, chomp with yache berry and with togekiss flinching and paralysing and flinching, and overall its a very solid team and i like it, great job creating it
 
I would still say that 4 members weak to Ice is a VERY big problem, no matter how bulky they are. Example, Mamoswine kills this team, Togekiss can't paralyze it, and Ice Shard negates flinching. Chomp might have Yache Berry, but if it takes any damage before (example SR), A CB Mamo Ice Shard still OHKO (not positive, but pretty sure). Yanmega's speed is rendered useless due to Ice Shard priority, and again, if it takes damage before, there goes your sash. Meanwhile, Gliscor won't be doing anything to Mamo, as he eats powerful STAB Ice Shards and Ice Fangs. I would definitely switch around your team members. You have no Steel type, so there is no one to eat powerful dragon attacks from. I would suggest switching Gliscor for a Bronzong:

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/ 128 Atk/ 128 SpDef
Sassy Nature

-Gyro Ball
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Hypnosis/Grass Knot/Explosion

The last move can be replaced if you feel you don't want two sleep inducers, and with Togekiss paralyzing, you may want to replace with either Grass Knot or Explosion.

Now that that's taken care of, you still have 3 members weak to both Ice AND Rock, and with SR everywhere, that's not a good thing seeing them lose 25% of their health everytime, and with no spin support. Unless you're in love with Gyara, I would replace it with a Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature

-Surf
-Rapid Spin
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam/Recover

This way, it stops Gyarados from running through your team after a DD, because it WILL, provides spin support, and can provide dragon support as well, if you opt to not include Recover. While the analysis says not to dismiss the recovery move, Starmie is often too frail to take advantage of it anyway, and the Ice attack could help in case a pesky Dragon is ruining your fun. Bear in mind, you now have a 3x Electric weakness, but you have Chomp and Electivire for that. Hope this helps.
 
pr4mence said:
I would still say that 4 members weak to Ice is a VERY big problem, no matter how bulky they are. Example, Mamoswine kills this team, Togekiss can't paralyze it, and Ice Shard negates flinching. Chomp might have Yache Berry, but if it takes any damage before (example SR), A CB Mamo Ice Shard still OHKO (not positive, but pretty sure). Yanmega's speed is rendered useless due to Ice Shard priority, and again, if it takes damage before, there goes your sash. Meanwhile, Gliscor won't be doing anything to Mamo, as he eats powerful STAB Ice Shards and Ice Fangs. I would definitely switch around your team members. You have no Steel type, so there is no one to eat powerful dragon attacks from. I would suggest switching Gliscor for a Bronzong:

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/ 128 Atk/ 128 SpDef
Sassy Nature

-Gyro Ball
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Hypnosis/Grass Knot/Explosion

The last move can be replaced if you feel you don't want two sleep inducers, and with Togekiss paralyzing, you may want to replace with either Grass Knot or Explosion.

Now that that's taken care of, you still have 3 members weak to both Ice AND Rock, and with SR everywhere, that's not a good thing seeing them lose 25% of their health everytime, and with no spin support. Unless you're in love with Gyara, I would replace it with a Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature

-Surf
-Rapid Spin
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam/Recover

This way, it stops Gyarados from running through your team after a DD, because it WILL, provides spin support, and can provide dragon support as well, if you opt to not include Recover. While the analysis says not to dismiss the recovery move, Starmie is often too frail to take advantage of it anyway, and the Ice attack could help in case a pesky Dragon is ruining your fun. Bear in mind, you now have a 3x Electric weakness, but you have Chomp and Electivire for that. Hope this helps.
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Thank you very much for your detailed response. However, your mamoswine theory is wrong. Togekiss can in fact paralyze it with body slam (which is the main reason why i chose this over thunder wave), and a CB ice shard from max atk Mamoswine will only do 294 damage to my garchomp at max ( i calculated). Yanmega is weak to mamoswine if SR is set up, but that is the reason why it is my starter and it can hit back with hypnosis.

I will most likely take listen to your suggestions and swap my pokemon out for your suggested ones, but the only problem i have is that if i replace gyrados for starmie then i will only have 1 physical sweeper on my team, and 3 special sweepers. That being set aside, thank you very much for your advice and i am sure it will greatly improve the state of my team
 
My bad lol, thought your Togekiss had TW for some reason O_o. Anyway, you say you'll only have one physical sweeper, but you have Garchomp and Electivire O_o. Also, even if Kiss can paralyze Mamo, Ice Shard still overrides that remember, assuming he doesnt suffer from that hax.
 
Only problem i see is that body slam is a 3rd gen move tutor and serene grace is a 4th gen abillity, thus being un-obtainable if i remember so
 
This team is very weak to Ice, and you have no type of resistance to it. You rely too much on Paralyze to kill off Mamoswine, which I find funny because Togekiss cannot come into Mamoswine in any sort of form, because it fears Ice attacks and possibly Stone Edge, which most Mamoswine carry these 2. I can't change much around, since it's for Wi-Fi, but I would suggest replacing Yanmega with a Bronzong, who is the best counter to Weavile and Mamoswine, and can take any sort of Ice attacks and well as others thanks to it's resistances. Setting up SR early game and sleeping a pokemon is always a good thing, and I don't really see Yanmega working here, since you don't even have a Rapid Spinner. 252 Hp / 72 Atk / 128 Def / 56 SpDef @ Relaxed should be allright for a Bronzong to be successful, it has enough to beat a Sub Tyraboah, and enough to KO Gengar with SR in play. Since Kings Rock isn't doing anything, why don't you just slap a Leftovers over King Rock, it will help it a bit to live longer.

I would suggest a Rapid Spinnner, because as of right now, Stealth Rocks and Toxic Spikes eat you alive. I would suggest adding a Starmie over either Gyarados or Electivire, the reason why I say Gyarados is because Gliscor is here already to take plenty of hits from Lucario and Heracross, but if you want to keep Gyarados, I would suggest taking out Electivire, and possibly making Gyarados a sleep talker, since you lack a status abosorber. You need Ice Beam over Counter, otherwise Gengar eats you. I don't even see why you're letting Blissey take hits, when it's not supposed to, and Ice Beam will benefit better, so Ice Beam > Counter if possible. I can;t change much around like I said, it's for Wi-Fi and I know it's a bitch to get ahold of pokemon, so I can't suggest much.
 
Venom said:
This team is very weak to Ice, and you have no type of resistance to it. You rely too much on Paralyze to kill off Mamoswine, which I find funny because Togekiss cannot come into Mamoswine in any sort of form, because it fears Ice attacks and possibly Stone Edge, which most Mamoswine carry these 2. I can't change much around, since it's for Wi-Fi, but I would suggest replacing Yanmega with a Bronzong, who is the best counter to Weavile and Mamoswine, and can take any sort of Ice attacks and well as others thanks to it's resistances. Setting up SR early game and sleeping a pokemon is always a good thing, and I don't really see Yanmega working here, since you don't even have a Rapid Spinner. 252 Hp / 72 Atk / 128 Def / 56 SpDef @ Relaxed should be allright for a Bronzong to be successful, it has enough to beat a Sub Tyraboah, and enough to KO Gengar with SR in play. Since Kings Rock isn't doing anything, why don't you just slap a Leftovers over King Rock, it will help it a bit to live longer.

I would suggest a Rapid Spinnner, because as of right now, Stealth Rocks and Toxic Spikes eat you alive. I would suggest adding a Starmie over either Gyarados or Electivire, the reason why I say Gyarados is because Gliscor is here already to take plenty of hits from Lucario and Heracross, but if you want to keep Gyarados, I would suggest taking out Electivire, and possibly making Gyarados a sleep talker, since you lack a status abosorber. You need Ice Beam over Counter, otherwise Gengar eats you. I don't even see why you're letting Blissey take hits, when it's not supposed to, and Ice Beam will benefit better, so Ice Beam > Counter if possible. I can;t change much around like I said, it's for Wi-Fi and I know it's a bitch to get ahold of pokemon, so I can't suggest much.
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Thank you for your informative response, seeing as everyone is telling me to get a steel type and a spinner and I always hated gyra anyways I am probably going to replace it with a forretress. That should cover my ice weakness and provide me with a spinner. Thank you very much agian How;s this set:

Forretress @leftovers; Study
Relaxed 252 hp; 162 atk; 96 def (or perhaps a slight variation depending on the IV's i get)
- Toxic Spikes
- Gyro Ball
- Rapid Spin
- Explosion

If there is anythign someone has to suggest about improving this set i would love to hear it
 
Replacing Gyarados with Fortress is going to make you physically weak, so I would suggest replacing Electivire. Set should look something like this;

Forretress @ Leftovers *
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Hp / 56 Atk / 200 Def
Nature: Impish
- Rapid Spin
- Explosion
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Reflect
 
Hey, If you are a big togekiss fan you should check out the choice scarf set. (Doesn't really fit with this team but maybe another.) It outspeeds pokes and nails them with air slash and its 60% flinch rate. I use mine over PBR wifi and its taken down several Ubers including palkia, darkrai, kyogre, dialga and latios. Its a really cool set to use.
 
Wolfie92 said:
Hey, If you are a big togekiss fan you should check out the choice scarf set. (Doesn't really fit with this team but maybe another.) It outspeeds pokes and nails them with air slash and its 60% flinch rate. I use mine over PBR wifi and its taken down several Ubers including palkia, darkrai, kyogre, dialga and latios. Its a really cool set to use.
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Thanks! I will definitely try that it sounds really fun!
 
Venom said:
Replacing Gyarados with Fortress is going to make you physically weak, so I would suggest replacing Electivire. Set should look something like this;

Forretress @ Leftovers *
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Hp / 56 Atk / 200 Def
Nature: Impish
- Rapid Spin
- Explosion
- Spikes / Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball / Stealth Rock / Reflect
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I don't see how using forretress makes my team physically weak...
I will have 2 physical walls Gliscor and Forretress..
The problem with using explosion is that after i blow up my foretress they could set up SR or toxic spikes again.

Another problem i see with your set is that you suggest the use of stealth rock when i aldready have it on my Gliscor, and Toxic spikes is much more useful than spikes in my opinion seeing as after using it only once it deals consistent damage (the onyl problem with this being that it will be harder for togekiss to para-flinch). However, i will probably use Spikes instead to prevent my togekiss from being useless.
 
HoundoomDude said:
Physically weak means you would lose Physical power.
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Thank you, i didn't know that. However, I still don't see how replacing electivire instead of Gyrados would make my team less physically weak, since my electivire is more offensively oriented than a bulkygyra.
 
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