MY First RMT!

hardytekyoyo

This is my first RMT. I decided to choose NU because It's the teir I enjoy the most. I got some pretty standard sets in this but at least 1 pokemon that may surprise you. I tried to stick with the common Water/Grass/Fire Synergy because it works very well. So without any further delay, here's my team!

I have been trying different versions of this team out for a few days now with moxed results. I have always had problems with fire types, specifically Torkoal and Emboar, although I have managed to overcome this a few times with Scald and good predicting. The main purpose of this team is to allow either Leafeon or Ampharos to set up and sweep while still being able to counter threats that may switch into my sweepers.

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I wanted a good Suicide Lead pokemon that would surprise opponents and potentially take out a major threat. I originally had Duosion fill this role but after some feedback I replaced him with Kadabra.

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Kadabra (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

I originally had a Duosion in this spot as a surprise factor. But after some feedback and testing. I switched her out for a Kadabra running the same stat as her speed is 150 higher and Special Attack is only 11 points lower. The main purpose of this pokemon is to counter popular Stealth Rock leads and take them out or force them to switch out before they can set up. With the move set, I can hit almost all common leads very hard. Sadly a Special Wall will completely stop me so I have been thinking about putting Psyshock in here but I'm not sure what to replace.

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Leafeon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- X-Scissor
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Return

My physical sweeper. After a Swords Dance, not many pokemon can stand in the way of this monster. X-Scissor and Leaf Blade are the obvious moves that provide great coverage. I choose Return on the off chance that a fire or flying type comes in and I have no one else to switch into. The most common threat I have seen for Leafeon is Torkoal, Banded or Scarfed Bedrill and Emboar, But ludicolo can usually cover the fire weaknesses and Beedrill can't do much against Regirock.

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Ampharos (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Static
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Agility
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute

My main Special Attacker. With an Ice Hidden Power, I believe I can hit everything for at least neutral damage and allows me to hit Ground and Grass types who would other wise wall me. I threw agility on because Ampharos isn't exactly known for his speed unlike some other Electric types and after one boost I can usually outspeed most non scarfed pokemon and having substitute usually allows me to do that. Sadly there isn't much I can do against rock types unless I replace a move with Focus Blast.

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Ludicolo (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 160 HP / 252 SAtk / 96 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Scald
- Giga Drain
- Ice Beam
- Synthesis

Ludicolo (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Scald
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Substitute

I actually have two sets for this guy. I have listed them both because I'm not 100% sure which one benefits my team the most. Hopefully you guys can recommend something. I was a little hesitant about keeping Ludicolo because It's doesn't seem necessary to have two grass types and it isn't resistant to fire which is a big threat to my team. I have tried both sets and they both have their upsides and downsides. The first set can hit quite hard but goes down rather quickly while the second set can stall quite well but only has 1 attacking move.

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Combusken (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Sky Uppercut
- Protect

A kinda unique set, Combusken can take hits due to Eviolite and hit back hard after a Swords Dance. I usually protect on the first turn for two reasons. The first is to scout how the opponent will respond and of course to get a free speed boost. If I manage to get a swords dance up, I can deal big damage to alot of Pokemon. I have faced problems with pokemon, especially very physically bulky pokemon like torkoal.

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Regirock @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Toxic

I originally had Metang in this spot. But he wasn't as reliable as some other options. With the EV Spread, Regirock can usually take a few special hits. I went with Rock Slide over Stone Edge because I always have very abd luck with accuracy and Rock Slide is much more reliable. I went back and forth on Toxic vs. Thunder Wave because they both have their advantages. I eventually choose Toxic because it will help break walls and major threats. Sadly many special water and grass attackers and well as anyone carrying Earth Power is a major threat.

My main Weakness for this team is the lack of Special Walls. Pretty much anyone with powerful special attacks can take me out. This is my first time doing one of these so hopefully I wrote this well. Hopefully someone can leave some good feedback and help me out!

Hopefully after editing this with more details and an updated roster, some of you guys can give some more feedback. Big thanks to WhiteDMist who has been a big help for me while making some changes.
 
There's a lot that can be changed in this team since you lack priority to stop opposing sweepers and a special wall to tank them (seems like a sweep or be sweeped team). Plus your only counters to ground attacks are grass types that are both weak to poison flying and bug (they rarely comme together but arbok and max speed seviper will be doing a lot of damage mid game). Plus, ludicolo isn't very good in fire, water, grass cores since his secondary typing removes many traits one searches in a water type for such a core.

I'm too lazy to make a complete rate for today (since I tend to go on for a very long time), I might do so another day. I'll still leave you with a small advice on duosion as it doesn't require too much thinking to change for the best. I like the duosion lead, but in terms of magic guard + sash, Kadabra seems much more logic. He can run the exact same attacks if you wish but with a much better speed for a very small loss in special attack and bulk isn't too important anyway. I personaly love sash kadabra and have had huge success with encore, which could also be an option (requires lots of prediction to pull off sometimes but you can have a lot of fun when switching on toxic will-o-wisp leech seed etc.). I don't use him as a lead however but I think you can use metang as a SR lead or Leafeon as an anti SR lead and occasionally use kadabra the same way as duosion.

Good luck with the team.
 
Welcome to Smogon! Before I start, I will say that you are lacking in descriptions for your Pokemon, namely Ludicolo and Metang. Also, you did not provide what the goal/purpose of this team was, how much you have tested this team, nor what threats you have seen that you would like us to help you with. Since this is an interesting team, I'm personally willing to overlook that fact, but I can't help you if a moderator disapproves as well. I'll give you a better rate when you make the edits, but for now on to the rate!

Like I said, this is an interesting team, and I like your creative ideas. Unfortunately, creativity may not prove to equal effectiveness in this case. The first thing I have to say is that Duosion isn't really suited for being a suicide lead. It doesn't set up Stealth Rocks, nor does it have any real utility in the lead position. Without Eviolite, it is extremely frail. With Pokemon such as Marowak and Golem in the lead position most of the time, Duosion won't have a chance to even take advantage of its Focus Sash due to their multi-hit moves, which are quite prevalent in the tier. Kadabra is considerable better if you want to abuse Focus Sash with Magic Coat, since it has considerably more Speed in exchange for a minor decrease in power.

Now I'm not one of those players that hates on Metang, but I must say that it doesn't provide much of anything for this team. You overestimate its offensive capabilities, and underestimate the power of the attackers in the NU tier. Ludicolo's EV spread is also not meant for NU, but for RU. There is actually a more NU efficient spread that I can give you:

Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP / 152 SAtk / 104 Spd
Modest Nature
- Synthesis
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Giga Drain

This set gives you the power you need while also letting you easily handle Gorebyss even after a Shell Smash.

On to threats to your team. The first and foremost threat is Emboar. I feel like a broken record is saying this over and over, but Banded Emboar is a common and nearly unstoppable threat in the NU tier. While I admit there are few checks or counters to it except for prediction, a Banded Emboar doesn't need to predict against you. Simply spamming Flare Blitz will destroy your team, since you have absolutely nothing that can take it (Combusken obviously can't take it well, even with Eviolite).

A simple recommendation would be to replace Metang with Regirock. It doesn't really change your team's weaknesses, but it make it less vulnerable to Fire. It also has more offensive power, a way to recover HP, and better overall bulk. Probopass and Bastiodon, or even Golem and Gigalith, can all do what Metang does, but better. The real benefit is that they can all feasibly help you check Emboar, who is the main threat to your team right now that I can see. I'll give you more help when you make the edits. Good luck!

Edit: Argh, Jesus beat me to the punch! >:/
 
Thank you for the feedback, I have updated the thread with some more info and an updated roster. Hope you will take another look :)
 
Ok, much better! There are a couple of directions to take your team from what I see. You can go for a balanced team, where you have 2-3 team members dedicated to supporting your team and walling certain dangerous threats. Or you can go all-out-offensive, where your team members focus mainly on setting up and inflicting heavy damage. From what I can see, you seem to like offensive more, so perhaps it would be better for you to make Regirock the more offensive variant.

Regardless of your choice, I must agree with Sweet Jesus that Ludicolo doesn't really fit in with the bulky Water role. I personally feel that people should view it as a bulky Grass-type instead. If you are focusing on offense, Samurott would be an excellent choice for the role of a Water-type. It also provides you with some desperately needed priority. If you are looking for a more defensive Pokemon, things like Alomomola, Wartortle, Seadra can work (or you can try more niche options like Mantine, Tentacool, and Lapras). The choice is up to you, since you have to determine what playstyle this team should fit. If I think of anything else, I'll tell you. For now, good luck with your team! :)
 
Hey there! Welcome to Smogon. :)

I agree with WhiteDMist about Samurott. The Swords Dance set would fit your team perfectly! Here's the set:

Samurott @Lum Berry
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 112 HP/252 Atk/144 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
-Swords Dance
-Waterfall
-Megahorn
-Aqua Jet

Because your team lacks priority, Aqua Jet can be very helpful, especially after a Swords Dance. I recommend a Lum Berry on this guy because your team lacks a Poison-type and Samurott does not like Toxic Spikes. It is also handy if he gets paralyzed.

Also, Leafeon is generally outclassed by most other Grass-types in the tier. You already have Ludicolo who can serve as a bulky Grass-type.

Finally, I can see you having trouble against Mixed Skuntank. It threatens nearly half of your team with its STAB Dark and Poison-type moves respectively. That's why I would recommend a Gurdurr. Gurrdurr can come in on Skuntank with ease and shred it to pieces, as it resists Skuntank's Dark STAB and is pretty bulky.

Gurrdurr @Eviolite
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SpD
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
-Bulk Up
-Mach Punch
-Drain Punch
-Payback

I hope I helped! :)
 
I recommend using offensive ludicolo and replacing ampharos for gallade to get priority and use the a set with bulk up to take hits and deal some extra damage.
 
If you mean Gurdurr, then it is a good idea. Gallade is an RU Pokemon within the Smogon tiers. It's fine if you are talking about Pokemon Online tiers, but this IS a SMOGON RMT, so let's keep it within Smogon tiers. Welcome to Smogon! :)
 
This is a really cool team! Everyone in here has provided great rates so far so I don't have much to add but I do want to tweak the sets they've given you.

So far everyone has suggested SD Samurott and I completely agree! Its the most dangerous Pokemon in NU right now and would be a very good fit for your team as it provides a good Emboar check which every team desperately needs. But I feel like the set's EVs should be changed. Right now Absol has its way with your team if Kadabra's Sash has been broken. So I propose you use a Jolly Samurott (I'll include the set at the end) which outspeeds the Standard Absol. However it does not outspeed Jolly Absol which is basically nonexistant anyways so you don't really have to worry. It also allows it to outspeed standard Skuntank so you can get off a Swords Dance without worrying about being taunted. Samurott also gives you another fire resist which is always nice. I suggest Samurott going over Ludicolo since you really dont need Ludicolo and Samurott would definitely improve your team.

Secondly I suggest using a Choice Band Emboar over Combusken. Right now Combusken just makes your team really frail and doesn't seem to do much for your team. I do feel that Emboar would do so much more for you. It provides a bit more bulk while having immense power right off the bat. It also beats down opposing walls so Leafeon and Ampharos have a better chance of sweeping!

Small changes incoming!!! I recommend Substitute over X-Scissor on Leafeon as X-Scissor becomes redundant with Emboar smashing everything to pieces. And Substitute lets you avoid status and keep Leafeon from being revenge killed.
I also think you should try Focus Blast over Substitute and Life Orb over Leftovers on Ampharos. The first change lets you beat Lickilicky and things like Regirock and Golem if Emboar/Leafeon hasn't already beat them. And Life Orb is needed on Ampharos imo as Amphy is kind of weak without it and you need the power.

Good luck with your team and I hope you continue to play NU!!!

Here's the sets:
(The Emboar set allows him to outspeed Max Speed Adamant Golem)
Emboar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 118 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Flare Blitz
- Superpower
- Wild Charge
- Head Smash



Samurott (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Waterfall
- Aqua Jet
- Megahorn



Leafeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Return



Ampharos (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Static
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Agility
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast
 
Thank god that MMF mentioned Jolly Samurott because I had completely forgotten to mention that part. I also agree with everything MMF says from a competitive standpoint. It is a bit of a shame to let Combusken go, but I do feel that it's sprecial attacking set is the more dangerous of the two in any case, and Emboar would me much better for a physical Fire/Fighting attacker.

Finally, to Majestic Electric, I am curious as to which Pokemon should be replaced for Gurdurr if hardytekyoyo chooses to make the change?
 
@WhiteDMist I was thinking he could replace Combusken with it. Like MMF said, Combusken is just too frail. With Eviolite, Gurdurr has pretty decent bulk and would really help him against Skuntank, since half of his team is weak to its STAB moves atm.
 
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