My OU Bulky Offense Team

[Dragon_Reborn]

Hello,this is my current bulky offense team I am using.Feel free to suggest new movesets,pokemon,etc.Rate away!

Team Glance

Swampert@Leftovers
Ability:Torrent
EV's: 240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpD
Nature:Relaxed
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Ice Beam
-Roar
Swampert is my lead pokemon.He can lay down Stealth Rock easily.Swampert is a great asset to Gyarados as he can absorb any electric attacks aimed towards Gyarados.I chose Roar over Protect due to the fact I can stack up a bit risidual damage from Stealth Rock with it and get rid of some type disadvantages towards him.

Gyarados@Leftovers
Ability:Intimidate
EV's:156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
Nature:Adamant
-Waterfall
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Taunt
This is a bulky Gyarados set here.I sacrificed some of the attack and speed ev's to make her more bulkier for my style of team.Dragon Dance was added to make her a more effective sweeper with the help of the extra attack and speed increase.Taunt can shut down stall teams(if I come across any)and also shut down some annoying pokemon like Breloom/Suicune.

Scizor@Choice Band
Ability:Technician
EV's:248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
Nature:Adamant
-U-Turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower(Currently Brick Break)
-Pursuit
Scizor makes a great revenge killer.I'm currently using Brick Break till I can afford Superpower.Once counters like Heatran and Magnezone are down my Scizor can start to sweep their team.

Heatran@Choice Scarf
Ability:Flash Fire
EV's:252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature:Naive
-Fire Blast
-Dragon Pulse
-Earth Power
-Explosion
Heatran makes a great revenge killer as well.Heatran is a good asset to Scizor to absorb fire attack towards him.I threw Dragon Pulse in here as a way to deal with Dragonite and Kingdra effectively.Explosion is great to deal with bulky waters or things like Blissey.

Jirachi@Leftovers
Ability:Serene Grace
EV's:252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spe
Nature:Relaxed(nature I got from event)
-Psychic
-Calm Mind
-Thunderbolt
-Wish
Jirachi is a great special sweeper and support with Wish.Luckily Jirachi can absorb Toxic so it won't be slowed down much.Calm Mind is in here to provide a boost in special attack and make its special defense bulkier.I like the fact on Wish in this moveset as it gives my team some kind of healing ability to stay in longer and sweep away.After a couple Calm Mind's,Thunderbolt can help against bulky waters like Suicune that are commonly seen.

Breloom@Toxic Orb
Ability:Poison Heal
EV's:12 HP / 252 Atk / 244 Spe
Nature:Adamant
-Seed Bomb
-Spore
-Focus Punch
-Substitute
Breloom pretty much was my filler pokemon.I mainly chose Breloom because of the move Spore.Breloom can spread Spore around easily and then start to wreak havoc.I added Focus Punch to make short work of things like Blissey and Snorlax.Substitute makes her annoying to go against since she can absorb a attack and heal back with Poison Heal ability.

Well,that's my team.What do you think of it?

Threat List:
-Shaymin:Shaymin poses a major threat to my team with Seed Flare,Earth Power,and Hidden Power[Fire].
-Stamie:Starmie poses a big threat with Surf and Thunderbolt mainly..
-Heatran:Heatran poses a big threat to my team mainly with Fire Blast/Flamethrower.
-Celebi:Celebi is quite similar to Shaymin in general except Grass Knot instead Seed Flare.

 

[Thunda-Moo]

I would presume so, Vampgelus. It would also explain the nature on Jirachi.

I would like to start out by saying I love bulky offense! I can't stand Pokemon that can't take a healthy hit or two.

My only real issue with this team is how OU dense it is. They're nothing innately wrong with sticking to what works, but a little variety is healthy, wouldn't you say? Even the more underused OU Pokemon would be nice: I'm a huge fan of the classic Curselax, and you should definitely consider him (or her, as it may be.) You have very good resistance pool with at least as many resists as you do weaknesses to most every type. Without a thorough consulting of the threatlist I must admit this is beyond my ability to properly critique!

 

[Aerrow]

Great team.

Threats

• Dragon Dance Gyarados
• Dragon Dance/Offensive Kingdra
• Offensive Machamp

This i s an excellent team, seeing as it has great synergy among the Pokemon withing it while also being able to constantly put pressure onto the opposing ranks while your own offensive threats set up, increasing momentum. It took me longer than usual to find threats for this team (another notion of this team's great stability!), but after a bit of of time, I found a couple of common Pokemon in the current metagame to be problems if they are allowed to set-up, which isn't that hard seeing as you have two choice Pokemon (not that, it's a bad thing or anything). Dragon Dance Gyarados is a huge problems, specifically the full out offensive one as after a dragon dance it will be able to outpace all of your Pokemon and deal crippling and possibly, KOing attacks to said Pokemon. Offensive Kingdra variants fall into the same category, but in my perspective, they're a bit more difficult to deal with seeing as Kingdra is considerably more bulky than Gyarados, although a bit less powerful in terms of its attack stat. Finally, Machamp is a huge threat, especially the substitute variants, as if manages to get a substitute up its almost guaranteed that you'll be losing one to two Pokemon in the process of eliminating it from the battle; however, Machamp can be handled with a combination of Jirachi and Gyarados, although it is still true that you possess no true revenge killer for said Machamp.

Solutions

• Choice Scarf Flygon

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Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Thunderpunch / Stone Edge[/box]
Luckily all of the aforementioned counters are easily handled by on change to your team's structure: choice scarf Flygon. Flygon has more or less become the top revenge killer in the current metagame or good reason; with it's blistering speed and great offensive prowess, along with the ability to handle DD Gyarados and Kingdra while also being able to help against Machamp, Flygon seems like the perfect Pokemon for the job. Co-incidentally, the dragon also maintains great synergy with your team and is an easy fix into the ranks of said team; it can replace on of your already-present revenge killers, Scizor or Heatran, although I recommend replacing the latter Pokemon with Flygon as Scizor is needed when it comes to revenge killing set-up foes who have taken a good amount of prior damage from your other Pokemon.

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

Great team.

Threats

• Dragon Dance Gyarados
• Dragon Dance/Offensive Kingdra
• Offensive Machamp

This i s an excellent team, seeing as it has great synergy among the Pokemon withing it while also being able to constantly put pressure onto the opposing ranks while your own offensive threats set up, increasing momentum. It took me longer than usual to find threats for this team (another notion of this team's great stability!), but after a bit of of time, I found a couple of common Pokemon in the current metagame to be problems if they are allowed to set-up, which isn't that hard seeing as you have two choice Pokemon (not that, it's a bad thing or anything). Dragon Dance Gyarados is a huge problems, specifically the full out offensive one as after a dragon dance it will be able to outpace all of your Pokemon and deal crippling and possibly, KOing attacks to said Pokemon. Offensive Kingdra variants fall into the same category, but in my perspective, they're a bit more difficult to deal with seeing as Kingdra is considerably more bulky than Gyarados, although a bit less powerful in terms of its attack stat. Finally, Machamp is a huge threat, especially the substitute variants, as if manages to get a substitute up its almost guaranteed that you'll be losing one to two Pokemon in the process of eliminating it from the battle; however, Machamp can be handled with a combination of Jirachi and Gyarados, although it is still true that you possess no true revenge killer for said Machamp.

Solutions

• Choice Scarf Flygon

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Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Thunderpunch / Stone Edge[/box]
Luckily all of the aforementioned counters are easily handled by on change to your team's structure: choice scarf Flygon. Flygon has more or less become the top revenge killer in the current metagame or good reason; with it's blistering speed and great offensive prowess, along with the ability to handle DD Gyarados and Kingdra while also being able to help against Machamp, Flygon seems like the perfect Pokemon for the job. Co-incidentally, the dragon also maintains great synergy with your team and is an easy fix into the ranks of said team; it can replace on of your already-present revenge killers, Scizor or Heatran, although I recommend replacing the latter Pokemon with Flygon as Scizor is needed when it comes to revenge killing set-up foes who have taken a good amount of prior damage from your other Pokemon.

Good analysis.Your right,Dragon Dance Gyarados,Dragon Dance Kingdra,and Offensive Machamp do pose quite the pose to my team.Personally,I'm thinkigng Scizor might be the better choice to drop for Flygon.The only reason I was thinking of not dropping Heatran was because without Heatran Scizor has problems sweeping.Heatran won't be able to absorb and take out fire types or a pokemon with a fire attack.Do you think this would be a good idea or do you think I should take out Heatran instead?

 

[Aerrow]

Good analysis.Your right,Dragon Dance Gyarados,Dragon Dance Kingdra,and Offensive Machamp do pose quite the pose to my team.Personally,I'm thinkigng Scizor might be the better choice to drop for Flygon.The only reason I was thinking of not dropping Heatran was because without Heatran Scizor has problems sweeping.Heatran won't be able to absorb and take out fire types or a pokemon with a fire attack.Do you think this would be a good idea or do you think I should take out Heatran instead?

Well, if it doesn't really matter which one you replace; it depends on what you want; do you want Heatran to absorb fire-type attacks, etc or do you want Scizor to revenge kill weak opponents? Its up to you.

 

[Faladran]

Hello, this looks to be a fairly solid team. Aerrow has given yet another solid and thorough rate, so his changes are likely worth trying out. One minor recommendation that I would like to make would be to replace Breloom with a bulkier Grass-type. Breloom is a good Pokemon, but it can't switch safely into all opposing Water-types, especially not Offensive Suicune with Ice Beam, which happens to be a rather large threat to your team. To preserve the offensive nature of your team, I think that a Shaymin would be the best choice to utilize; it's bulky, can comfortably switch in to pretty much all Bulky Waters, and can support your team while maintaining offensive momentum. Two good choices include either the standard LO set or my personal favorite, Leech Seed + Protect, which is listed below:

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Shaymin @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 68 SpA / 188 Spe
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Seed Flare
- Hidden Power Fire[/box]
One of the advantages that this set possesses compared to the LO set is its ability to provide team support with Leech Seed. Using Protect and Leftovers, Shaymin will typically find itself being able to retain a high amount of health. Seed Flare and HP Fire provide you with a solid, powerful STAB move, and a way to hit Grass- and Steel-types, respectively. The combination of Leech Seed and Protect makes life difficult for many of Shaymin's common switch-ins, such as Heatran and Choiced U-turners. Protect gains Shaymin a valuable extra turn of recovery and damage, while allowing you to scout for opposing attacks.

Good luck!

 

[BKC]

Hi, I have a couple nitpicks.

If you're running Relaxed on Jirachi thanks to the event, there's no point in adding speed, so I'd recommend either shifting them to Sp. Atk or just maxing defense and using the last 4 EVs as you'd like.

This is just a preference thing, but I don't really feel Breloom needs any speed. I like to go with a 252 Atk / 236 HP / 20 Def spread. Gives you max attack (derp), the best possible Poison Heal number so you recover as much as you can, and the defense actually does help (you take something like 70% from a ScarfRachi's Ice / Fire Punch).

I'm seconding Aerrow's change to ScarfGon > ScarfTran, it'll work very well with Gyarados, plus it's a great U-turn spamming partner with Scizor. Now that you have something besides Swampert to take electric attacks, I'd recommend changing Pert, a rather inefficient lead, to something more efficient, a LeadGross.

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Adamant | Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
~Stealth Rock
~Meteor Mash
~Bullet Punch
~Explosion

This prevents you from being Roserade / Smeargle bait, as entry hazards do wear down your team. (Toxic Spikes doesn't really hurt your team, but Rossy forces something to be slept, if it's Pert, you lose your SR, if it's something else, you lose an offensive hitter. SR+Spikes from Smeargle damages everything else.)

I was going to recommend something else but I went to eat and when I came back I forgot ;_;
Instead I'll second Faladran's Shaymin suggestion, I agree with it as well.

Good luck!

 

[Elite Four Devin]

Starmie kills your whole team,dude...

i would suggest CS Tar as it pursuits starmie right down..

Scizor would work for that,but after sr damage hydro will OHKO..

 

[BKC]

^ with a bit of smart switching he can get Jirachi in on an Ice Beam and kill it with a Thunderbolt. Or he can let something die and bring in Scizor, who only dies to an HPump after SR if Star gets max damage. Not too big of a problem, if he plays it right he shouldn't lose more than 1 poke to it.

 

[Dragon_Reborn]

Hello, this looks to be a fairly solid team. Aerrow has given yet another solid and thorough rate, so his changes are likely worth trying out. One minor recommendation that I would like to make would be to replace Breloom with a bulkier Grass-type. Breloom is a good Pokemon, but it can't switch safely into all opposing Water-types, especially not Offensive Suicune with Ice Beam, which happens to be a rather large threat to your team. To preserve the offensive nature of your team, I think that a Shaymin would be the best choice to utilize; it's bulky, can comfortably switch in to pretty much all Bulky Waters, and can support your team while maintaining offensive momentum. Two good choices include either the standard LO set or my personal favorite, Leech Seed + Protect, which is listed below:

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Shaymin @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 68 SpA / 188 Spe
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Seed Flare
- Hidden Power Fire[/box]
One of the advantages that this set possesses compared to the LO set is its ability to provide team support with Leech Seed. Using Protect and Leftovers, Shaymin will typically find itself being able to retain a high amount of health. Seed Flare and HP Fire provide you with a solid, powerful STAB move, and a way to hit Grass- and Steel-types, respectively. The combination of Leech Seed and Protect makes life difficult for many of Shaymin's common switch-ins, such as Heatran and Choiced U-turners. Protect gains Shaymin a valuable extra turn of recovery and damage, while allowing you to scout for opposing attacks.

Good luck!

A good analysis.You have a valid point with replacing Breloom with Shaymin.Since this is a bulky offense team,I think I will replace Breloom with Shaymin since Shaymin has more bulkiness then Breloom.The only real reason chose Breloom is that Spore+Subpunch made a great counter from Blissey and Snorlax walling me.From the sound of it,sounds like Shaymin can even put a hurting on Blissey and Scizor could with Superpower as well.So,Shaymin it is.

Hi, I have a couple nitpicks.

If you're running Relaxed on Jirachi thanks to the event, there's no point in adding speed, so I'd recommend either shifting them to Sp. Atk or just maxing defense and using the last 4 EVs as you'd like.

Yeah,that Relaxed nature hurts me speed wise,but I couldn't really do anything about it since that's what the event gave me.I don't think they speed ev's will really effect it that much now looking at it.I probably just invest them into Sp.Atk instead to give some extra attack power.Defiently going to take that into consideration.

This is just a preference thing, but I don't really feel Breloom needs any speed. I like to go with a 252 Atk / 236 HP / 20 Def spread. Gives you max attack (derp), the best possible Poison Heal number so you recover as much as you can, and the defense actually does help (you take something like 70% from a ScarfRachi's Ice / Fire Punch).

If I continue to use Breloom,I will consider in those EV's.More HP does seem better to get Poison Heal to work more effectively like you said.

I'm seconding Aerrow's change to ScarfGon > ScarfTran, it'll work very well with Gyarados, plus it's a great U-turn spamming partner with Scizor.

Yeah,I think I might go with ScarfGon over Heatran.I read up on him and sounds like he makes a great pair with Gyarados and Scizor.Also,sounds like he makes a great U-Turn buddy with Scizor like you said.

Now that you have something besides Swampert to take electric attacks, I'd recommend changing Pert, a rather inefficient lead, to something more efficient, a LeadGross.

Metagross @ Lum Berry
Adamant | Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
~Stealth Rock
~Meteor Mash
~Bullet Punch
~Explosion

This prevents you from being Roserade / Smeargle bait, as entry hazards do wear down your team. (Toxic Spikes doesn't really hurt your team, but Rossy forces something to be slept, if it's Pert, you lose your SR, if it's something else, you lose an offensive hitter. SR+Spikes from Smeargle damages everything else.)

To be honest,at first I was thinking between LeadGross and LeadPert.The only real reason I took LeadPert over LeadGross was,because I needed a electric absorption pokemon for Gyarados.What I could do is use ScarfGon like you guys said and that could replace LeadPert as a electric absorber for Gyarados since bulky offense is all about synergy.I think I will drop LeadPert for LeadGross.He seems alot more bulkier as a lead anyways.

I was going to recommend something else but I went to eat and when I came back I forgot ;_;
Instead I'll second Faladran's Shaymin suggestion, I agree with it as well.Good luck!

If that thought comes back to you,just let me know.I think I will use Shaymin over Breloom.Seems like everyone is agreeing on that as well.

Starmie kills your whole team,dude...

i would suggest CS Tar as it pursuits starmie right down..

Scizor would work for that,but after sr damage hydro will OHKO..

Yeah,I see that Starmie is a great threat to my team.Well,I'm surprised that a Choice Scarf Jolly Tyranitar could even outspeed a Starmie.Pursuit would possibly be able to OHKO Starmie.Then you will have extra damage from Stealth Rock and Sandstorm(which Sandstorm doesn't hurt my team much)


I just realized if I go with these pokemon,I will have a major fire weakness.3 of my pokemon will have 2x fire weakness(Metagross,Jirachi,Shaymin) and 1 4x fire weakness(Scizor).I could see Heatran having a field day with my team then.What can I do about this?