My OU rain team. (1 v 1)

MetaAngel

Well, I know something is wrong with this team, I just don't know what. I really need some help fixing it. Would you guyz please help me?

Team at a glance:
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Changes will be in bold

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Politoed @ Leftovers
Drizzle
Bold 252hp, 252def, 4 sp.def.

Scald
Protect
Toxic
Rest

Defennsive set now, not a sweeper. Forestflamerunner made me catch my sence of logic, and his totally right. Weather wars need defensive pokes. Scald might inflict a burn, Toxic stalls, and protect will keep my hp high, + it will gimme a stall turn :). Rest is decent recovery :)
Replacable?: Only if you got a better set, haz to be a Politoed :p
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Salamence @ Choice scarf
Moxie
Jolly 252 spd, 252 atk, 4 hp.

Dragon claw
Brick break
Crunch
Earthquake

My Sr. V. Val (Survival), scarfed salamence FTW... I guess. Flameforestrunner reommended me to use this, terrakion and SR gross, but decided just to use this one. Set kinda weird, but it will work. Outrage moxie is not legal, so I decided to use a moxie D claw instead, since this will be a revenge killer. +1 D claw is stronger than outrage ;)

Replacable?: Yup


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Magneton @ choice scarf
Magnet pull
Timid 252 spd, 252 sp.atk, 4def.

Thunder
Flash cannon
Signal beam
Hp Ground

Okay, so I finally caught my mind, and agreed. Choice scarf was tried, and worked out pretty well. Though when I tried it, it was on an other team, and I had explosion and Hp fire instead of hp ground and signal beam. But hp ground helps with the "Bait and kill" trap with salamence (Again, Thank you forestflamerunner, I really owe you one ;), and signal beam for Celebi. Works pretty well, since it's still quite impressive defensively for a sweeper.
Replacable?: well... yes.

ERROR: No Toxicroak picture.
Toxicroak @ Leftovers
Dry skin
Adamant 252 atk, 240 hp, 16 def.

Drain punch
Substitute
Bulk up
Sucker punch

Awesome rain sweeper/set up-er. Dry skin and lefties combined gives almost 1/4 of health, and bulk upreally makes a great combo, since sucker punch also there. you really have to predict well to set up on toxicroak. 'Nough said.
Replacable?: No, absolutely not, not even the slightest move. Maybe some evs can be rearranged.

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Latias @ Leftovers
Levitate
Bold 252 def, 252 hp, 4 sp.def.

Surf
Dragon pulse
calm mind
recover

I got this tips, and I found out why not try it. My Celebi counter and ground resister! Surf gets a nice boost from rain (Thnx Aichan ^^), since magneton got signal beam anyways. Dragon pulse is STAB and hits almost everything. Not Scizors, which is kinda common, but I don't look at 'em as a threat to my team. Since the CM's will give me a respectable sp.def, I put all investments in hp and def.
Replacable?: Yes, but just for an other celebi counter.

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Tentacruel @Leftovers
Rain dish
timid 252 hp, 252 sp.def, 4 spd.

Substitute
Sludge bomb
Surf
Accupressure

I know, I know, kinda weird set. Substitute on the switch gives me a free hit or a free accupressure. And Accupreswsure yes, you have to be lucky, but when ur a defensive pokemon, then you got some extra turns to set up. Surf is STAB and has a high hit ratio, and sludge bomb is chosen over sludge wave because it got 30% poison chance :) thats nifty >:D
Replacable?: Yes it is, 'Nough said.

As mentioned, Volcarona is a major threat to my team. Celebi no longer threatens my team, since I now got 2 pokes to really threaten it. Virizion is just a set up fodder for toxicroak.

Earlier members:
Skarmory Spiker, Set up (swords dance, sturdy)
Mategross sash volcarona wall, AgiliGross.
Dugtrio trapper
Politoed both specs and wall, and a Belly drum/waterfall RestTalker.
Lanturn wall
Miltank cleric, curse set up-er, grass resister
Golurk SubPunch set
Regigigas Bulky stall, till 5 turns wasted, then powerhouse
Steelix Volcarona wall ....
Gallade Bulk up set
Scizor Swords dance BP
Swampert SR-er, roar
Lanturn Choice scarfer
Magneton eviolite analytic
Deoxys-D Spiker, SR-er.
Victini, scaarfed modest
I hope you guyz can help me out. If neccesary, I can make Golurk rejoin, because it did it's job VERY well. No spinner is here because it's not really weak to Stealth rocks, and neither the toxic spikes. Though spikes would have kinda sucked. Please help me out, PLEASE!!
 
Nice team. Very annoying :D magneton should have HP grass for gastrodons who switch in to take a thunder and kill. Also, there is the occasional Dugtrio that you can surprise too. Just thought I'd help :)
 
Yes yes yes yes YYYYEEEESSSSSSS another Magneton user!

Unfortunately, Analyze Magneton is unreleased and isn't even its best option. On the bright side, Magnet Pull is a blessing, allowing you to remove Steel-types left and right.

I suggest you run Choice Scarf Magneton. It's an excellent revenge killer, outspeeding things you wouldn't believe with its 70 base Speed (10 higher than Magnezone's!).

Magneton
move 1: Thunder
move 2: Flash Cannon
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

HP Grass hits Gastrodon and Dugtrio, while Ice hits Dragonite and unboosted Salamence.

Also, take that Scarf off of Lanturn. While it's cool, you aren't using Lanturn to its full potential as a wall. Lanturn is THE hard counter to Rotom-W, as even HP Grass doesn't do too much to it.

Lanturn
move 1: Scald
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Heal Bell
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Calm
evs: 52 HP / 252 Def / 204 SpD

Good luck with your team!
 
Hi. Very interesting rain team, with lots of cool pokes that are really under used. My first note on your team is that you are very weak to ground type attacks. Latios or Latias in place of Lanturn can help solve that problem, and both can be capable of abusing rain to launch powerful Surf attacks, and in Latias's case, can set up on Celebi's that generally threaten rain.

To solve your Volcarona problem, you can try using Dragonite, which completely walls every Volcarona set that does not carry HP Ice / Rock.
 
Arcticblast said:
Yes yes yes yes YYYYEEEESSSSSSS another Magneton user!

Unfortunately, Analyze Magneton is unreleased and isn't even its best option. On the bright side, Magnet Pull is a blessing, allowing you to remove Steel-types left and right.

I suggest you run Choice Scarf Magneton. It's an excellent revenge killer, outspeeding things you wouldn't believe with its 70 base Speed (10 higher than Magnezone's!).

Magneton
move 1: Thunder
move 2: Flash Cannon
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

HP Grass hits Gastrodon and Dugtrio, while Ice hits Dragonite and unboosted Salamence.

Also, take that Scarf off of Lanturn. While it's cool, you aren't using Lanturn to its full potential as a wall. Lanturn is THE hard counter to Rotom-W, as even HP Grass doesn't do too much to it.

Lanturn
move 1: Scald
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Heal Bell
item: Leftovers
ability: Volt Absorb
nature: Calm
evs: 52 HP / 252 Def / 204 SpD

Good luck with your team!
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Since two ppl said "Hp grass",I thought like "Hey, might be a good idea", though Hp ground does a decent chunk. I've tried the lanturen set u mentioned before, but didnt work out at all. Analytic has been used by everybody 4 a looong time, so I don't feel bad by using it mahself. PO does allow it. ;)
 
Arcticblast said:
Magneton
move 1: Thunder
move 2: Flash Cannon
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Volt Switch
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
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Finally caught my mind. Yes, you are totally right. CS magneton really awesome. Though hp rock works bette against volcarona, which is a huger threat than gastrodon and dugtrio. Volt switch is a move I can't use effectively enough. So a signal beam will replace it. Better for Celebi ;) Modest instead of timid, since it gets alot of speed anyways :) Thank you for suggesting this :)
 
Actually, Timid is required to outspeed several threats, such as Adamant Gyarados and Adamant Dragonite after a Dragon Dance. Leaving these Pokemon unchecked is a horrible idea.
 
MetaAngel said:
Gyarados and Dnite is set up fodders ;)
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Just wanted to ask: How so? They are extremely dangerous if you let them setup. As mentioned before Timid is pretty much the only nature you should run since Dnite is just about everywhere. Latios would also help as mentioned.
 
Demist said:
Just wanted to ask: How so? They are extremely dangerous if you let them setup. As mentioned before Timid is pretty much the only nature you should run since Dnite is just about everywhere. Latios would also help as mentioned.
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How odd it seems, Most D-nites dun pack EQ, which makes them easy set up fodders for toxicroak. If theypack EQ... O CRAP, I forgot I had deleted my set up skarmory. And I havent even mentioned it, THNX!!!!!! o: Gyarados aint a problem though. Ppl using it is too easy to predict. -.- If somebosy like wilechase or flamingspade started using it, I'd might be in trouble, but I dun really know. Mostly, ppl only gets up one DD, which aint enough to sweep this team. But fine. If timid is what u want, I'll run timid. To be honest, I guess you guyz are way better than me :( thnx
 
The concept of your team "a drizzle water based one" seems to be out of concept or otherwise you either just keep the idea or instantly get rid of it.
With Politoed in your team and only Thunder on Magneton your "rain abuse" isn't that great as in other teams.
What I would like to say is that fact that your team doesn't benefit from the rain at all. You also could just run thunderbold on magneton instead and get rid of politoed at all especially when your latias is not carrying surf. I like the idea of having deoxys-s in this team but a spin blocker is highly recommended because it seams like you rely a lot on entry hazard damage even though you do not have instant powerful attackers in your team.
 
Aichan said:
The concept of your team "a drizzle water based one" seems to be out of concept or otherwise you either just keep the idea or instantly get rid of it.
With Politoed in your team and only Thunder on Magneton your "rain abuse" isn't that great as in other teams.
What I would like to say is that fact that your team doesn't benefit from the rain at all. You also could just run thunderbolt on magneton instead and get rid of politoed at all especially when your latias is not carrying surf. I like the idea of having deoxys-s in this team but a spin blocker is highly recommended because it seams like you rely a lot on entry hazard damage even though you do not have instant powerful attackers in your team.
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Originally, there was like 3 thunder abusers, but now it's just one, yes.
Okay, the pokemons and how they abuse the weather:

Politoed: Gets up Drizzle, overpowered waterfall.

Toxicroak: Weak to fire bcoz of dryskin, but water heals him, giving rain the perfect set up chance for him.

Metagross: Weak to fire.

Magneton: weak to fire, thunder.

And it's not a deoxys-S, its a Deoxys-D .
But yes, I should change Deoxys to something else, like a thunder abuser, or hurricane abuser. Just please don't say "D-nite", coz he's not reliable enough, to easy to predict, idk why. :( As you mentioned, surf would be a great move on latias, but hp bug for celebi is a thing I need, since it's my Celebi wall. Magneton does carry signal beam though, and is faster than all but scarfed celebi, which can't r eally do to much, so I'll try it. :) thank you ^^

If anyone got a good replacement for my Deoxys, plz, gimme it :)
 
MetaAngel said:
Originally, there was like 3 thunder abusers, but now it's just one, yes.
Okay, the pokemons and how they abuse the weather:

Politoed: Gets up Drizzle, overpowered waterfall.

Toxicroak: Weak to fire bcoz of dryskin, but water heals him, giving rain the perfect set up chance for him.

Metagross: Weak to fire.

Magneton: weak to fire, thunder.

And it's not a deoxys-S, its a Deoxys-D .
But yes, I should change Deoxys to something else, like a thunder abuser, or hurricane abuser. Just please don't say "D-nite", coz he's not reliable enough, to easy to predict, idk why. :( As you mentioned, surf would be a great move on latias, but hp bug for celebi is a thing I need, since it's my Celebi wall. Magneton does carry signal beam though, and is faster than all but scarfed celebi, which can't r eally do to much, so I'll try it. :) thank you ^^

If anyone got a good replacement for my Deoxys, plz, gimme it :)
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Go easy way and run Specs Tornadobro x) However than you need spinner and I say Starmie just shouts to be added here, as it can spin hazards, sponge status and gets benefit from rain. Also, Victini seems way too of here.
Starmie: I would definitely fit there better... Uhuh...
Edit: Also, i think Ice Punch would be more beneficial on Toxicroak as otherwise Dnite can thrash you under rain with Hurricane. Just a suggestion though, as you'd probably need better EV spread and would lose Sub which might be glue of this set.
 
Hey Meta, you have a very interesting team here, and I have to give you grammy points for creativity. Unfortunately, this team seriously lacks synergy, which is a major reason your drizzle team has trouble with volcarona. However the problem is fixable, but it will require some serious changes.
To begin, I am going to assume that you built this team with a Toxicroak sweep in mind, as that is one of the two pokemon (the other being politoed) that you do not want changed. My advice will be centered around this assumption. Now croak is by no means one of the hardest hitting pokes in town and by no means can it power through walls such as skarmory or gliscor. So to give it some help with these two threats, I’d recommend Sub SD Terakion and Choice Scarf Salamence over Victini and Latias. Sub- SD terakion is one of the most powerful physical attackers available and draws out and punishes the likes of Skarmory and Gliscor like no other poke in the game softening both walls up for toxicroak to polish off. Scarf Salamencce provides an allpurpose check to some of the faster sweepers in the game such as jolteon, terakion, and virizion and can also capitalize on opponents who abuse outrage with moxie and an outrage of its own. Furthermore Salamence baits in the more bulky steel types such as skarmory and jirachi which allows magneton to swoop in for the kill. Both of these pokemon help eliminate threats that hinder your team.
Now, I would like to recommend a couple of changes to your sets starting with politoed. That belly drum set, to me, seems to be a novelty at best. It seems to be modeled after crocune, but with the new sleep mechanics, it is very likely that your politoed will be asleep for the majority of the match, and sleeptalk will only have a one in three chance of selecting an attacking move. Also, you generally want politoed to stay alive as long as possible in the event of a wheather war, while your politoed loses half of its health with belly drum and suddenly becomes a liability. Also, politoed is extremely slow and will be outpaced by the likes of dragonite, haxorus, and terakion, all of which can one shot the blob and eliminate the most important member of your team. I strongly suggest you change your set to that of the standard defensive toad with scald, hypnosis, perish song, and protect. These moves will provide extra security against some pokemon such as conkledurr, who is a more powerful, but more predictable, version of your toxicroak. Finally, on your metagross, change agility to stealth rock. Agiligross is a clean up sweeper and you already have two of those in toxicroak and salamence, and stealth rock is just too damn useful. Good luck with your team!
 
forestflamerunner said:
Hey Meta, you have a very interesting team here, and I have to give you grammy points for creativity. Unfortunately, this team seriously lacks synergy, which is a major reason your drizzle team has trouble with volcarona. However the problem is fixable, but it will require some serious changes.
To begin, I am going to assume that you built this team with a Toxicroak sweep in mind, as that is one of the two pokemon (the other being politoed) that you do not want changed. My advice will be centered around this assumption. Now croak is by no means one of the hardest hitting pokes in town and by no means can it power through walls such as skarmory or gliscor. So to give it some help with these two threats, I’d recommend Sub SD Terakion and Choice Scarf Salamence over Victini and Latias. Sub- SD terakion is one of the most powerful physical attackers available and draws out and punishes the likes of Skarmory and Gliscor like no other poke in the game softening both walls up for toxicroak to polish off. Scarf Salamencce provides an allpurpose check to some of the faster sweepers in the game such as jolteon, terakion, and virizion and can also capitalize on opponents who abuse outrage with moxie and an outrage of its own. Furthermore Salamence baits in the more bulky steel types such as skarmory and jirachi which allows magneton to swoop in for the kill. Both of these pokemon help eliminate threats that hinder your team.
Now, I would like to recommend a couple of changes to your sets starting with politoed. That belly drum set, to me, seems to be a novelty at best. It seems to be modeled after crocune, but with the new sleep mechanics, it is very likely that your politoed will be asleep for the majority of the match, and sleeptalk will only have a one in three chance of selecting an attacking move. Also, you generally want politoed to stay alive as long as possible in the event of a wheather war, while your politoed loses half of its health with belly drum and suddenly becomes a liability. Also, politoed is extremely slow and will be outpaced by the likes of dragonite, haxorus, and terakion, all of which can one shot the blob and eliminate the most important member of your team. I strongly suggest you change your set to that of the standard defensive toad with scald, hypnosis, perish song, and protect. These moves will provide extra security against some pokemon such as conkledurr, who is a more powerful, but more predictable, version of your toxicroak. Finally, on your metagross, change agility to stealth rock. Agiligross is a clean up sweeper and you already have two of those in toxicroak and salamence, and stealth rock is just too damn useful. Good luck with your team!
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Thank you For the tips ^^ Salamence really pro, metagross actually worked out pretty well ^^
 
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