My team! Has uniques and has some commons. :)

warriorcatzfreak

PLEASE READ! RMT! :) I now need some specific ideas. PLEASE HELP! THanks! :-D

Okay......my team is one I've been using for a while now and I've had MANY reccomendations from people on shoddy. But I've finally decided to post on RMT form. ANY AND ALL help is appreciated! I'll go over what I need help with at the end but to start off with....THE TEAM! EDIT:Changes or in BOLD!

The Lead:
Machamp@Lum Berry/Adamant NAture-No Guard
Ev's: 252HP/140Atk/20Def/96SP.D
IV changes: 19Spe
-Substitute
-Encore
-DynamicPunch
-Stone Edge

This is pretty much an anti-lead Machamp with a little bit of changes. I've kept the HP and Sp.D ev's the same to retain it's damage calculations, but I've taken a little from attack to add in Defense to hit 201 Def which can be useful at MANY times. I got the Encore idea from reading in forums and it's as great as the guy who created it says it is. This beats MANY common leads and my record is taking out half the opponent's team with this guy alone. :) EDIT: Testing a TrickScarf Metagross lead. Working much better than him. Again, I'll type all my changes when I have time to. :)

The Physcial Sweeper:
Lucario@Life Orb/Adamant Nature-Inner Focus
Ev's: 252Atk/252Spe/4HP
-Swords Dance
-CLose Combat
-ExtremeSpeed
-Ice Punch

Ok.....I'm was not likeing Scizor at all...and after some testing I've found that an SD Luke helps my team a lot more than Scizor did....so yeah! With the many opportunities to switch in....Lucario can set up SD and pretty much sweep. Close Combat for STAB, Extremespeed for powerful priority, and Ice Punch for Dragons and Flyers and such. :) Lmk what you guys think about this change!

The Special Wall/Supporter:
Blissey@Leftovers/Calm Nature-Natural Cure
EV's: 252DEF/176SP.D/80Sp.A
-Wish
-Stealth Rock
-Protect
-Ice Beam

OK! This is now my wall and now solves my Zapdos problem AND can set up the VERY much need Stealth Rocks on my team. It still has the same wish support as Umbreon who used to be here, loses a bug weakness and keeps the fighting from Umby. Ice Beam is my attacking move and protect allows for some scouting and to pretty much guarentee the Wish Recovery. All in all a great recommendation GoldFan. :)

A Great Mixed Sweeper:
Kingdra@Life Orb/Lonely Nature-Swift Swim
EV's:252Atk/16Spe/242Sp.A
-Hydro Pump
-Draco Meteor
-WaterFall
-Rain Dance

I am now using the Mixed set with some great success on shoddy. WaterFall 2HKOS Bliss under Rain and hits many things hard with it. Draco Meteor is insanely powerful and Hydro Pump is for pokemon WAterFall and Draco Meteor can't handle very well and hit's VERY hard in the rain as well. Great Mixed Sweeper and will have many opportunities to come in and set up rain. :) Currently Testing a Support Tentecruel. Working well. :)



Special Sweeper/Tricker:
Togekiss@Choice Scarf/Timid Nature-Serene Grace
EV'S:58HP/200Spe/252Sp.A
-Trick
-Nasty Plot
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere

The funnest set to use on my team period.(Well, now Celebi is some competition for that.) :) This thing is so fun it's not even funny. IT causes many people to quit for some reason -_- and is effective nonetheless. This was recommended from a shoddy member and I made up the ev's so that it outspeeds every single non-scarf'd pokemon.(besides Deoxys and Electrode and Ninjask). All of which are no threat anyway to Togekiss.(Deo is banned. and Electrode kills it anyway.^-^) The strategy is come in when he has an opportunity(a lot for me.) and use the appropriate move. If it's a sweeper like Infernape I'd Air Slash it to death and outspeed them for a total suprise. And it can revenge kill to AND do major flinch hax with 405 speed) But if I'm faced with a wall I'd trick the choice scarf and Nasty Plot till they switch and deal out powerful boosted STAB'd Air Slashes and an Aura SPhere if necessary. All in all. Fun and effective. :)

And my final pokemon......

Celebi@Leftovers/Bold Nature-Natural Cure
EV'S:252HP/252Def/6 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Leech Seed
-REcover

A Celebi set that I ABSOLUTELY LOVE! lol...-_- it has Calm Mind to now boost it's Sp.D along with it's Sp.A coupled with Max HP and Defense this makes a GREAT POKEMON! Recover is obvious and Psychic after some Calm Minds does a GREAT amount to Blissey and with leech seed it won't stand a chance. Out of 7 battles with this it will never be replaced as in each battle I got in at least 2 CM's and did some damage and kept this guy alive at the same time! MY NEW FAVORITE! :) EDIT: I'm currently testing two pokemon that can possibly replace my Celebi: CAlm Mind Slowbro and Crocune Suicune. So, I'll lyk how it turns out and tell me what you guys think about my testing changes! EDIT:I'm gonna edit this another day where I have more time for a Basic Dusknoir.





Ok....-_- I now am wanting to know what people think of my new changes and things I can do to handle Scizor and Include Ground type attack(s) in my team. I'm having a lot of Duel Steel type trouble and MAJOR Dragon problems. HELP! >-< PLus, I'd like to add Dusknoir. Lmk if that can fit in my team. GIVE ME RECOMMENDATIONS! For anything! ANYTHING! PLease. I need help to make this my first permanant team. :-D Help would be great if I didn't already mention it! ANYTHING! ANYTHING! Anything will help. THANKS!
THanks! And I need as many ratings as I can!
 
Adamant BellyZard +6 Fire Punch (Blaze Activated) on 232/252 Positive Umbreon > 406-478 dmg (104.1%-122.5%)

Average Damage - 113.5%

Jolly BellyZard +6 Fire Punch (Blaze Activated) on 232/252 Positive Umbreon > 370-436 dmg (94.8%-111.7%)

Average Damage - 103.5%

Either way, i don't think Umbreon will want to take a hit from BellyZard, you'll be much better off just praying it misses since all of your members are outspeeded and screwed over when Zard setsup. Maybe you forgot to take into account Blaze?
 
Gee....thanks for all the help. -_- I forgot to take Blaze into account. Sorry and I only said that to show my UMbreon is good and he's good anyway. Now can I have some REAL help please? I'm not trying to counter BellyZards.
 
First of all I see a Major Zapdos weak, nothing can switch in on him safely. Machamp is 2HKOd by Thunderbolt, so is everything else bar Umbreon who takes 39% - 47% from an Offensive Life Orb Thunderbolt (Yes some Zapdos do run that set these days). I either suggest running more Special defence EVs on Umbreon (The Support Set?) with Toxic > Yawn for the ability to actually do some damage to Zapdos, you will still be beaten by Sub Rosst Zapdos, especially if they do carry Toxic. Or your other Option is Blissey who can set up Stealth Rock to help wear it down, you can also have Toxic, Ice Beam and still maintain your Wishpassing. I just think it's too big of a threat to ignore :/ especially the way that it waltzes through your team. A Blissey set that looks like Wish / Protect / Stealth Rock / (Toxic or Ice Beam) would work. You might want to look into that. Ice Beam will give you a better chance against Sub Roost, but Toxic will work on most Zapdos. and like I said, the Stealth Rock damage will also be useful.

If you switch to Blissey you have also freed up a moveslot on Celebi, thanks to Blissey's Natural cure, so why don't you put Substitute or Calm Mind on the set there, maybe even Grass Knot to deal with Gyarados, seeing as he waltzes through most of your team after a DD, apart from Togekiss of course who can use trick to lock him into a move, or rely on Air Slash Hax.

And last but not least. i wouldn't worry too much about Belly Zard, first off they are not very common, secondly its just common sense and not letting it set up, nothing more. I'm sure a lot of succesful teams have been run in which none of the pokemon can take a hit from BellyZard :/ its cool lol. I hope some of this helped =D
 
There's a reason people don't use Umbreon very much, because it;s set up bait. You will find more often than not taking hits is not enough, you actually have to do something with your walls once they're in. Sure Umbreon can Yawn, but what's the point in Phazing when you don't have any entry Hazhards. Payback is also pittance, Umbreon may have it's place on some teams but it is not here, Changing to Blissey will b very useful for your team. If you like Umbreon feel free to keep him, but when rating a team I have to try to make a team as competitive as possible, rather than deciding which to keep as you like them enough.
 
Seconding Goldfan's suggestion of Blissey with Stealth Rock over Umbreon, she really does solve a number of problems all by herself. On the other hand, I forsee considerable problems with Choice Specs/Life Orb special Lucario, but thankfully that's still pretty rare.
 
Ok, I'll change to BLiss! What about my OTHER team members?! lol, :)
I'm going to school now. I'll get back to you all tomorrow when I have time. (Maybe tonight.) Keep posting suggestions for changes please! THANKS!
 
Well, I've never had that many problems against lead Machamp, but I've also never really used it so it's really up to you to decide whether it works for your team. I'm sure encore will help you set up Kingdra and possibly Scizor if it is still around Late game, so yeah. I'm sure Trick Kiss will work well, and still has the potntial to trick its counters and then set up to sweep, the sets themselves have been tested more by you, so its really up to you to decide about, all you're getting from me is Theorymon. I have told you the main issue I have found with the team as a whole, and that was Zapdos, this Blissey set will help you out.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature / Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 80 Sp. Atk / 176 Sp. Def
~ Wish
~ Protect / Softboiled
~ Stealth Rock
~ Ice Beam / Flamethrower / Toxic

Stealth Rock really is needed on your team, but if you really think you can forego it you could get rid of it and put

~ Ice beam / Flamethrower
~ Toxic

in the last two slots. It's up to you I guess
 
Made some changes in bold everyone! Tell me what you think about my Moveset change idea for Kingdra and the idea of LandMin(Shaymin) over Celebi.(I'm doing research.) So......tell me what you think now! :toast:
 
put x-scissor over u-turn on scizor. if u come a cross a cress or celebi ur gunna loose all the boosts from the sd AND stop ur sweep.
 
OK! What do you think would be a good mixed Land Shaymin ev spread? The moveset is...

EArth Power/Seed Bomb/HP Fire/Air Slash or Zen Headbutt

What could a good ev spread for this? I gtg for a while now, but when I get back I'll see what people think about LandMin movesets and ev spreads. PLEASE PEOPLE! I'd like recommendations for a PLatinum Landmin moveset with evs if you can! Otherwise tell me what you think of my team! :toast:
 
warriorcatzfreak said:
OK! What do you think would be a good mixed Land Shaymin ev spread? The moveset is...

EArth Power/Seed Bomb/HP Fire/Air Slash or Zen Headbutt
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Personally, if you use that moveset, I don't understand ant pros (aside from a little bit more bulkiness) that Shaymin Land Form has over Shaymin Sky Form. If you ran a simple Choice Specs / Choice Scarf set (Timid with Specs, Modest with Scarf), you'd probably just go a 252 / 252 EV spread, which results in a 2HKO on average from the old standard Ice Beamers ran (269 SpAttack). I don't know what the new standard is. . . but unless you run a bulkier set, where a 2HKO from Ice Beam is changed to a 3HKO or even 4HKO (which would only occur if they ran less than 269 Special Attack. . . say 230, and you invested max SpDef and HP), it seems like an inferior Skymin - for many reasons, including lack of flying STAB, high speed, and SpAttack. If you run the bulkier set, it seems like a weaker Celebi.

Speaking of Celebi, I've personally run 252 HP / 252 Def Bold nature with the following moveset:
Calm Mind
Grass Knot
Recover
Leech Seed
Granted, grass is a horrible attacking type, and with Scizor surging in popularity in Platinum, it has a lot less success, but if you get a fet Calm Minds under your belt (preferably after Scizor/Heracross/Strong STAB bug move is taken down), then you can inflict a large amount of damage to anything, barring maybe Blissey, unless yuo can beat her in a stall match and land a crit (even +6 Grass Knot from 328 initial SpAttack is a 3HKO against max SpDef Blissey, a shot at a 2HKO for minimum SpDef Blissey). If it weren't for Garchomp being Uber now, that set works decently against one if you get at least 1 or 2 CM before the switch in.

Scizor could or could not use Roost. It's worked for me, but that's up to your personal preferance.

This is a bit of a joke calculation, but a you meantioned Electrode as being one of the Pokemon your Togekiss can't outrun, and with CB, Electrode can suicide and OHKO Togekiss.

Your team might have trouble with Dragons, especially MixDragonite (who OHKOs BLissey and Kingdra, as long as Kingdra doesn't have Swift Swim yet) and MixKingdra. Scizor also can do a lot to your team, if you don't predict his switch-in. In fact, you lack any fire moves, so Scizor will have some fun. Plus, anything that only fears Ground moves (Metagross, Heatran, Jirachi) can do a fair amount to you too, especially since out of those three, only Heatran is hit SE by your fighting moves. Psychic/Steel may pose a problem.

Most of my comments are situational, so assuming those extinuating circumstances don't arise, you're team looks decently solid.
 
THANK YOU! This is exactly what I'm looking for! :toast: I'm now going to edit and use the following.....Mixed Kingdra/ it has worked FANTASTICALLY for me and will go over the Special Rain Sweeper and UNder Celebi I'm sticking with it and I'm using the moveset I've been have SO MUCH UNBELIEVEABLE success it isn't even funny. I'll use the spread you rec. for Celebi and I run CM/Psychic/Recover/Leech Seed. Essentially the same thing just Phychic instead. I can not tell any of you how much the Celebi I'm using has saved me in so many matches! It's great! :) I'll look into the rest you've told me and lyALLknow how it goes with changes! :)
 
It looks more solid now that you have a mixed Kingdra to tackle some of the threats I mentioned earlier, though Heatran (Scarf variant) can OHKO Kingdra with Dragon Pulse, if SR is up. If It's a Specs variant, you're dead either way. This only applies if you haven't gotten rain dance up; however, because Kingdra will outspeed all Heatran (420 vs. 417) that don't have an agility.

The only reason I like Grass Knot over Psychic for Celebi is because is doesn't grant any free switches. . . per se. Psychic allows for a free switch to Tyranitar, Weavile, Umbreon, etc. and thw two former can do massive damage, (not sure if OHKO, I'd have to do a damage calc) to Celebi. Celebi can easily OHKO all of those with Grass Knot if he has a few Calm Minds, despite only hitting Weavile and Umbreon for lower BP.

Also, without Grass knot, since you lack Thunder / bolt, Bulky waters, especially Crocune, Milotic, and Slowbro, can have some fun with you. Slowbro is especially interesting since he can match Celebi with CM and flamethrower back.

Other than that, and the weaknesses to mixDragonite, I can't think of any problems. Oh, it lacks Spin support, but that may be of little issue to you.
 
Well, I'll test our Grass KNot on Celebi and I know Heatran is a HUGE problem. So is METAGROSS! AHH! It is such a pain! >.< Any ways I can deal with these probs?
 
warriorcatzfreak said:
I know Heatran is a HUGE problem. So is METAGROSS! AHH! It is such a pain! >.< Any ways I can deal with these probs?
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Of the Pokemon you have, Machamp should be able to do a lot of damage to Heatran with his fighting moves, though EQ on something is always good. Only Blissey and Togekiss (of your 6) learn realistic fire moves to counter steels, namely flamethrower. (Fire Punch fails imo, because steels typically have such high defense). On Togekiss, if Trick is essential to your strategy, then I'd suggest dropping NP for Flamethrower, or giving Flamethower to Blissey, but realistically, Blissey can't do much.
Personally I like The Parahax Togekiss:
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpDef Calm nature, Leftovers
Air Slash
Body Slam/ T-Wave ( I prefer T-Wave since grounds / Electivire / Jolteon / Lanturn don't sacre me)
Roost
Aura Sphere / Flamethrower / Nasty Plot
This is the DP standard. It may fail in Platinum though.

A Choice Scarf build abandoning trick could work too. . . keep your current EV spread and try the following moves:
Flamethower
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
HP Ice
If you provide T-Wave support via Blissey (which would require to change her set up, too) then that set would be a pain-in-the-ass, but you can flinch without it. That set OHKOs Heracross, I believe, does a fair amount to steels, 'specially Psychic / Steel and Skarmory, and can dent Heatran too. It doesn't possess the same fun as trick, though. You could drop HP Ice for trick, but that loses Dragon coverage, which isn't necessary considering you have Kingdra to OHKO everything with Draco Meter, 'cept for maybe a Haban? Dragonite.
 
Well, I'm gonna keep my Togekiss and Blissey sets for a while...TrickPlot is just way to much fun and effective. But, Metagross is still a huge problem. -_- But, if I need to I'd like to know what I could change for an EQ pokemon. :) 'Cause Scizor is slowly losing his greatness on me for some reason. And also find a place on my team already where I can have T-Wave...it seems like it will help me and a phazer at that. Wow, I'm asking for quite a lot. lol, -_-
 
Just curious....wanna know what people think about a good bulky Calm Minding pokemon that can go over Celebi and fit in my team. Suicune does now work. Tried. No. :) So....any ideas?
 
I recommend getting rid of Kingdra for something else.

Or if you want to keep Kingdra, screw over Bliss and get another poke who can SR, maybe a leadzong.

Seriously, bliss is pretty much useless these days.
 
I really want to replace Kingdra. -_- Got any ideas for it? And no, Bliss is to good. She stays. :) I'm gonna edit my post and make Celebi now Dusknoir as he pairs perfectly with my Blissey. So....any ideas for replacing my Kingdra?
 
pics help out a lot for getting rate btw. put jolly on lucario so you outspeed the 280 speed pokes like gliscor. if you want a bulky cmer try either celebi (which you have), jirachi, mismagius, or suicune. both rachi and celebi should run timid with 176 speed for jolly lucarios. jirachi is 252 hp, 176 spe and 80 for whatever. mismagius is 108 hp, 236 speed, 160 sp.att with sub, hp fighting, cm and shoadow ball. suicune has a ton of cm sets but i use the sub cm the most.
 
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