My Xbox controller is broken, so I made a new team. (OU RMT)

never_again

Yea, Microsoft is a total bitch and so is the United States Postal Office.
It'll probably take 2-3 weeks for the controller I sent to get back to me, either repaired or replaced, so fuck them.

My computer is my only source of entertainment now, so I decided to play around with Team Builder and came up with this.

This team is supposed to be built around Latias as it is one of my favorite Pokemon (not to mention one of the best competitively)
I was a bit surprised when they moved it to OU, from my experience they should make it Uber again because it completely overshadows some other Pokemon (Infernape, Zapdos, Salamence has a harder time now, etc.)

I dont think Ive made it onto the leaderboard yet, as I dont really play for leaderboard position (or maybe its just that I suck and physically cant win enough to get on the leaderboard)

Just in case its the team that sucks, here it is:

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(M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 96 HP/120 Def/252 Spd/40 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Magic Coat
- Spore
- Stealth Rock
- Whirlwind/Spikes

A personally made lead. I got tired of the endless cycle of Metagross leads and leads designed to beat Metagross leads, so I made this. It works quite well, and I'll explain how it works.

Vs Possible Taunters (aero, Azelf) I Magic Coat as they taunt themselves.
Then Im free to Spore them and will definitely survive thanks to Focus Sash.

Spore is also my first choice against other leads, particularly those that are slower than Smeargle (Metagross, Swampert, etc.)

After I Spore, I get a free turn to set up SR, then Smeargles job is pretty much done unless it can survive to be death fodder.

The last spot is Whirlwind and it serves 2 purposes. It keeps me from getting mauled by Ninjask leads as well as phazes any attempt to set up on Smeargle once I Spored something.

EVs are from the analysis, because if it isnt broken, why fix it?

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(M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 48 HP/244 Atk/8 Spd/208 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

My own Sub Tyranitar, but Im sure its been made before.
Rather than making it the SubPunching TTar with special attacks, I went all physical cus 95 base SpA is horrendus.

TTar causes the most switches in the game, I think, so I can sub on their switch.

If they bring in Scizor they lose a big chunk of their health to Stone Edge, altho some people have gotten smarter(damn you Arin) and are Uturning out with Scizor/Flygon to break the Sub since they're faster, to which I'll sub again if necessary.

The EVs give a leftovers number, 353 HP, lots of SpDef and almost Max attack.

Should I pack pursuit on this?
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@ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP/196 Def/56 SAtk/16 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Roar
- Rest

I replace Scizor with this because Scizor was actually the cause of some of my Agiligross/DDgyara problems.

Nothing sets up on this as I can simply Roar them out.
If DDgyara packs Taunt, then I can simply hit them with HP Electric.

Surf for STAB, Rest for recovery although it makes me prone to setup.

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(F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Roost
- Calm Mind
- Surf

My main attraction. With its natural bulk, it can switch into stuff like Infernape and Zapdos all day and Roost off Damage.

Max SpA and Speed, Timid to at worst tie with other Latias, as well as beating everything up under 110 base speed, most notably Infernape and Salamence.

I rarely use CM, only if Latias has a clear path to victory. I kept CM in place of a 3rd attack because it can prove useful in CM wars with the likes of Suicune and Celebi.

Dragon Pulse for beast STAB, Surf is to catch TTAr and Scizor. TTar is a bit shaky if it runs SpDef EVS, but i think I can 2HKO an incoming Scizor, so itll have to Bullet Punch.

Which brings me to....
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@ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 40 Atk/220 Spd/248 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Explosion
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]

It makes me laugh everytime Scizor wants to Bullet Punch my TTar or Latias and is met with this.

Seriously, Magnezone should be on every team just to take care of Scizor, as Scizor is the number one used Poke(has been for some time now)

I use this over the Scarfed one cus:

1. Choice items suck
2. Its still slow as shit.

I use Sub so it takes like 2 or 3 Bullet Punches to break the Sub if its locked into BP.

If it isnt locked, well Sub protects me from stuff like Superpower.

Thunderbolt for STAB, HP Fire to finish off Scizor(dont want to 2HKO with Tbolt while it Superpowers me) and Forry. Explosion for Blissey to help clear the way for Latias, as well as deal some pretty big damage overall.

EVs outspeed Max Speed Adamant Scizor, should they exist.
Better safe than sorry.

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(M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge/Crunch
- ExtremeSpeed

Replaced SD Ape with this as it is stronger overall, and packs lots of Power behind Close Combat.

I would actually prefer Adamant on this as it allows me to OHKO stuff like Skarmory and Bronzong, as well as powering Extremespeed a bit more.

I already outspeed most Gyarados, and theres always the possibility of Mence/Zapdos running + Speed, so vs Zapdos Id have to switch out anyway to TTar. Mence is a bit more troublesome.


Too lazy for a threat list, maybe later, Im going to sleep now.

But some issues I have with this team is:

1. DDGyarados
1a. AgiliMetagross
1b. Fake Out leads/Lum TTar Leads
2. Stall
2a. Dual Screen teams, esp with Baton Pass Gliscor (bastards)
3. Scarf Flygon
4. The Rotoms if they W-o-W my TTar
5. Sub Toxic Tran, I switch in my TTar but Im slower so I get Toxiced. so Stupid.
6. CB Scizor if Magnezone is down.
7. Bulky Waters, especially Swampert

Props to LegendaryPokemon for Pics.
 
First of all... If Magic Coat really worked against Taunt, I would be running it on Smeargle. It is just a shoddy glitch, so reap until it get fixed(or ever get fixed.) ^_^

Of course, a Heatran can work in this team. I really love Sub Heatran. You can run it over Nape if you like...

Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Roar/Toxic
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Heatran is the "Anti-Metagame" Pokemon forcing many switches. Fire blast and Earth Power are self-explanatory. But, Roar lets you phaze something unfavorable and works against Ninjask. After you Stealth Rock with Smeargle, you can switch immediately to Heatran and blow it away. Heatran fares well against Dual Screen teams. It sees dual screeners as set up fodder by subbing. When a Sub is up, Dual Screen opponents are annoyed by Roar. Heatran is also a good Will-O-Wisp absorber. It can also counter some Heatrans if they think your scarfed or something or have your sub up. It can also be a secondary reliable counter vs Scizor.

Edit: Also.. I hate Microsoft too.. I got RROD..
 
Hmm at a glance. I disagree with Ape being the best Priority user, when Breloom has higher Attack, More bulk, Toxic Orb healing and Facade or another strong move along with the SD Mach Punch.
So Breloom>Ape with SD Mach Punch

Just another thing. I know using Water/Dragon is common, But it is resisted by a very good special wall Empoleon. Maybe you should opt for Thunderbolt, but it's up to you.
 
How long has it been since I've been on here? :P I haven't even played Pokemon in a while, but all I must say is that your team looks very impressive. I am thinking of trying your Smeargle idea, if you don't mind of course. All I can say to you is that, Rotom's may or may not give you problems. Try to remove them from play as quick as possible. Dragon Dance Tyranitar could cause problems for your opponent, so you can choose to either remove SE or EQ for it. My personal Tar ran

Substitute
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Crunch

Other than that, a really solid team.
 
I run basicly the same set Infernape. If I were you I would try running fire punch over flare blitz. Recoil + LO Damage really rips infernape a new ass hole.
 
Really nice team, although I hate maic coat on smeargle. But it's a glitch so take it to your advantage.

I do suggest you change Tyranitar to a Choice band version. This will help take care of Azelf, Gengar, Latias, Rotom-A, and Starmie(although your have to watch out for Hydro Pump):

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Sand Stream
Evs: 252 HP/ 252 Atk/ 6 Def
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Tail/ Earthquake

This will obviously take out the aformentioned mons. Pursuit to take them out trying to switch. Aqua tail is the superior option as it allows you to hit Hippowdon and Gliscor who are now becoming more popular based on experience, but earthquake is still good too.

SuperPower isn't any good on an SD scizor, ruining your sweep with the stat drops, so i suggest Brick Break, or...i'm gonna say it...ROCK SMASH! The 50% chance to drop Def 1 stage is amazing. Anyways, 72 HP/ 252 Atk/ 16 def/ 168 Spe is also a good schoice for the Set your running

Latias is just fine, any reason why Roost>Recover? they both work the same, but whatever... The defensive CM set would look good here, but its your choice.

Magnezone is also fine, but i do dislike explosion. Honestly i just hate sacrifing a poke that already has low atk, only to do 50-59% on most pokemon, so I suggest just puting Magnet Rise on it over explosion, Max SpAtk, and rest in HP.

Personally, I love SD-Nape, ecpecially with Mach Punch>CC on it, considering the stat drops, although it will be harder to tale down bulky pokes like Swamert and Hippowdon(eventhogh you do have flare blitz). Also I do know Flare Blitz is the more powerful option, i do suggest Fire Punch, because the Recoil from FB will bring down Infernape easy with life orb. Don't ever change the item though, he needs all the power he can get. Just Suggestions...

Well thats about it...Good Luck with the team and hope I helped =)
 
xxflyingsolo07xx said:
Choice items suck
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Not to be rude, but you couldn't be more wrong. I am in complete agreement with joshe that Tyranitar needs to be the Choice Bander. Pursuit is pretty much a necessity on any team in this metagame. This also makes stall 10x easier for you to handle.

WH1T3N1N7A said:
Hmm at a glance. I disagree with Ape being the best Priority user, when Breloom has higher Attack, More bulk, Toxic Orb healing and Facade or another strong move along with the SD Mach Punch.
So Breloom>Ape with SD Mach Punch
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But how does Breloom help with the Lucario problem? Infernape absolutely has to stay. Is there any reason why he is still Jolly? Most Salamence and Zapdos aren't going to be running a +spe nature. I think Adamant would be superior.

Lastly, on Latias, I think HP Fire over Surf would be a good idea. You aren't guaranteed to beat either Tyranitar or Scizor with Surf, but with HP Fire, you know you can at least eliminate Scizor pretty easily (and he is a BIG problem if Magnezone goes down because somebody decides to spam Superpower the first time they show their Scizor).

Hope this helps some. Have a nice day.
 
I don't have time for a full rate, but:

If you're planning on using that Tyranitar, don't bother with Pursuit. You're planning on subbing on the switch anyway, so it's pointless.

Of course, you probably could use CBTar, as it poses an immediate threat. Really, without something to boost (CB, DD, etc.) Tyranitar isn't incredibly effective.
 
Stauffen said:
Not to be rude, but you couldn't be more wrong. I am in complete agreement with joshe that Tyranitar needs to be the Choice Bander. Pursuit is pretty much a necessity on any team in this metagame. This also makes stall 10x easier for you to handle.

The problem with something like Choice Band Tyranitar is that, say I Pursuit some bum's Rotom. Then he brings in his Lucario, and Im immediately put on teh defensive.

If I have a Sub up with TTar, or even with no Sub, I can stay in to protect against the Swords Dance with EQ



But how does Breloom help with the Lucario problem? Infernape absolutely has to stay. Is there any reason why he is still Jolly? Most Salamence and Zapdos aren't going to be running a +spe nature. I think Adamant would be superior.

Yea Breloom is still too slow and will get ExtremeSpeeded. It also isnt fast enough to Stone Edge the likes of Zapdos/Salamence.

Also, Im pretty sure most MixMence run +speed Max Speed, as well as some DD Mences (altho they shouldnt with the addition of Latias)


Lastly, on Latias, I think HP Fire over Surf would be a good idea. You aren't guaranteed to beat either Tyranitar or Scizor with Surf, but with HP Fire, you know you can at least eliminate Scizor pretty easily (and he is a BIG problem if Magnezone goes down because somebody decides to spam Superpower the first time they show their Scizor).

The problem with HP Fire on Latias is that well 1. It makes me a sitting duck vs Tyranitar.

2. more importantly, it lowers my speed so I'll lose every speed tie with fellow Latias/non scarf Gengar, which isnt worth it.

Should Scizor SuperPower my Magnezone, I'd still have Infernape as backup.

Hope this helps some. Have a nice day.
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joshe said:
Latias is just fine, any reason why Roost>Recover? they both work the same, but whatever... The defensive CM set would look good here, but its your choice.

Idunno why I run Roost, when I was scrolling for moves I just saw it before I saw Recover I guess, so why not.

Magnezone is also fine, but i do dislike explosion. Honestly i just hate sacrifing a poke that already has low atk, only to do 50-59% on most pokemon, so I suggest just puting Magnet Rise on it over explosion, Max SpAtk, and rest in HP.

Yea Explosion on Magnezone isnt too strong, but it can beat Blissey, clearing the way for Latias. It also gives my Pokes a free switch in, for example, Infernape cant directly switch into Tyranitar to Mach Punch it.
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Your DDGyarados issue is indeed very worrying, it gets a switch in on many of your Pokemon, and can Dragon Dance up, that needs to be seriously fixed. Agility Metagross is a bitch, as it is to most offensive based teams like this. The Lum / Fake Out lead problem is always going to be there, because if you pick another lead, it will still have "another" lead that beat it, however, I do want you to consider a Swampert lead, it is by far the most realible lead at the moment and can still potentially set up SR and also Roar for you, obviously the drawback here is that you cannot Spore, but it will be more reliable than Smeargle, who I always found to be "mediocre at best." (If you don't want to use Swampert, you might want to consider Spikes over Whirlwind on Smeargle too) Here is the set at least for your consideration:

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature / Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 216 Def / 52 SpA
~ Earthquake
~ Surf / Ice Beam
~ Protect / Ice Beam
~ Stealth Rock

Lead MixPert, most of it should be obvious, but I will go through the slashes, at least. If you want Ice Beam to hit Dragon's such as Salamence etc... then you will drop either Surf or Protect. Protect is pretty vital to you, in my opinion, as Swampert doesn't stop leads such as Metagross and Azelf from Exploding, and you don't really have anything to switch into it either. So "really" it will probably the surf that has to go, which means you will have a much harder time against things like Skarmory and Forretress who will most likely want to set up on you, it is your choice though... really. Test it out, see how it works etc... Theorymon can only go so far.

Moving onto the team's more pressing issues, I think you have decent enough protection against Pokemon such as Sub Toxic Tran, because you can revenge him, most teams without a Seismic Toss Blissey will have a little trouble, but it's really about keeping the pressure on it, and not allowing it to switch in, or set up a sub. What we can do, however, (and this will help you against Rotom too) is change Latias to a Refresh Calm Minder, so replace Surf with Refresh and turn Sub Toxic Heatran into set up fodder. Additionally, that will help against Rotom as the slow wearing down of Will-o-Wisp could become annoying. You have Magnezone to deal with Steel types, so should the plan work, it will be fine!

Moving on to Magnezone, then, I really think that you are dilly-dallying about with it. You are essentially running the Scarf Set, with a Sub on it. I really think you should just place the Scarf on it, for two reasons. One, because you can then use it to revenge kill Swords Dance Lucario! Secondly, you can check those Gyarados who haven't had a Dragon Dance. Flash Cannone can go over Substitute. I also support joshe's better version of your Tyranitar, leftovers Tar lacks power and also gives away the fact that you can change moves, if you really don't want to run CB, run Expert Belt instead. It will give you additional damage on annoying stuff like Celebi, and also masks the fact that you can change moves. If you do this Pursuit > Substitute. (Additionally it may help you to catch Gyarados who believe you are stuck in either Aqua Tail, Pursuit or Earthquake, and try to set up on you.

Lastly, I am really going to tackle the Gyarados Issue. You have Infernape, who now, isn't fulfilling much of a role, to be honest. You originally had him pretty much for SD Lucario, and now we have that sorta covered with Scarf Magnezone, and it is quite a tricky spot. My thoughts are that you could grab something like your own SD Luke (Jolly Nature with Stone Edge) this gives Gyarados (again) an ever harder time of switching in, although admittedly it can still set up on Magnezone, so the lesson there would be don't use Flash Cannon / HP Fire too eagerly, else you will get swept. Quick Attack + ExtremeSpeed should do a good job of revenging most Gyarados, especially with your SR. So try out this Lucario:

Lucario @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature / Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ Stone Edge
~ ExtremeSpeed

Late Game sweeeper, but allows you to hit Gyarados / Zapdos etc... who think that they can stop your sweep, same goes for Salamence! The rest should be fairly simple, but it will give your team a little bit more purpose, and something else for you to break Stall with, a back up plan, so to speak.

Best of luck, test out my ideas, see how they go and make sure you report back to me as to how they work out! If there are still issues, I'm sure we can resolve them!
 
Hey flyingsolo, I think a very good idea for you would be to put Rotom-H somewhere on your team. He can definitely handle a whole lot of threats for you; Scizor, bulky waters, Metagross, Gyarados, and a bunch of other stuff, as well as provides another EQ immunity.

You have a variety of choices, but I think a standard defensive set would work the best. However, if you feel a little safe against Gyarados, you can try out a more offensive version. However, I would recommend always having 288 Def for your Rotom so that it doesn't get 1hkoed by Gyarados after rocks (though I think sandstorm would kill)...

I also think that you should try out RL's Psycho Shift Latias; it takes on SubTran like nothing, forcing it out with Surfs, Roosting off damage, and Psycho Shifting status.

The set is:
152 HP/252 SpA/96 Spd/8 Def
Modest
-Draco Meteor
-Surf
-Roost
-Psycho Shift

Try it out. The speed could be an issue, but Latias loses a considerable amount of bulk without the HP, and loses a considerable amount of power without Modest.

If stall really is a problem, then give Tyraniboah a shot. He's not to be messed with. You could try out a Focus Punchless Tyraniboah so that you can run Ice Beam and Flamethrower, or use Thunderbolt too. Also, Boah doesn't mind burns so much either, and can dark pulse Rotoms while they can't do much back.

Also, if you choose to use the Psycho Shift Latias (2hkoes Scizor with Surf), I think Magnezone is replaceable. Your team is not very Scizor weak at all (esp with Rotom). I would highly recommend Vaporeon or perhaps even bulky tauntless Gyarados to be on your team for insurance against opposing Gyarados.
 
Imran and Chenman: Thanks for the rates.

Chenman: Ive tried out both Wash Rotom and Heater Rotom and they seem a bit too specialized.

The set Ive been using, altho I dont have team builder in front of me now, is something like:

Rotom-A @ Choice Scarf
Bold
252 HP/ 124 Def/ 132 Speed(or whatever number I used to hit 362 speed to outrun Azelf)
-Trick
-Wow
-Discharge
-Shadow Ball.

I usually bring it in vs Metagross or w/e and trick right away expecting a switch. Then I would Wow a TTar or something along those lines. The problem is, without recovery and inability to deal with threats outside of the ones I intend him for, he becomes more of a liability.

Ive also considered some sort of Refresh Latias as Imran said and that RL Shifting Latias.

However, Ive explained why 252/252 Timid is hte way to go for me: It beats out Salamence and at worst ties with other max Speed Latias, and its actually saved me a few times vs opposing Latias, whether it was I won the speed tie or actually outsped.

Status is very annoying, but recently Ive just been switching Latias out of possible statusers, until it is time to come again. Surf, coming off of a Life Orb, 2hkos most incoming Scizors so relying on solely Dragon Pulse doesnt seem like a great idea.

Without Scizor, Im weak to DDTtar if Suicune is weakened. And Magnezone is one of hte leading causes, not being able to do much for it.

Is there something that I can replace Magnezone with, while still beating Scizor, and not getting setup on by Tyranitar?

Imran: The Smeargle lead still works fine so Id like to keep it, Swampert is hard to incorporate into the team atm.

However, I did take ur suggestion of replacing SD Ape with SD Lucario, and its been working out really nicely. One question I have though, from my experience Infernape is actually easier to set up than Lucario because most people expect Infernape to attack right off the bat and will switch out to an appropriate counter, netting me a free SD. Lucario is the opposite, I think most opponents recognize the destruction SD Lucario is capable of and are more likely to stay in and attack to protect vs the SD.

Since I added Suicune to beat DD Gyarados, and Adamant Lucario already outspeeds most Gyarados anyway, is it alright to stay Adamant? Jolly makes me a bit weaker overall and lost of things are more likely to survive my CCs and such, like Swampert and Skarmory. Plus I already have TTar to switch into Zapdos for Lucario.

Suicune also takes care of SubToxic Tran, and provides for Phazing duties so I am able to put Spikes on Smeargle. Suicune also provides a fine switchin to Fake out Infernape leads, so I really think Suicune fits this team well and gives it a more balanced approach.

However, with the loss of Scizor, I probably gained more than I lost as the opponent has less oppurtunity to set up. One place I miss Scizor is against DD Salamence, and I agree with Magnezone being replacable, so is there anyway to replace Magnezone with something that handles both Scizor and Salamence?

Im thinking about what to do about TTar, the reason why I dont like taking off Sub is because its slow as crap and the Sub can protect it against stuff like Gyarados switchins so I can Stone Edge it, whereas w/o a Sub id be forced to switch out.

Also, Leftovers helps me buy another Sub, and I doubt Expert Belt helps to obtain any KOs I couldnt already get.



[I made the changes in the OP]

P.S. Was Scizor the wrong person to replace for Suicune, am I better off keeping Scizor>Magnezone?
As you said, Quick Attack helps immensely vs Gyarados.
 
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