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National Dex AMs General Discussion Thread
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Welcome to the National Dex AMs General Discussion Thread! The purpose of this thread is to have a place to discuss about miscellaneous NatDex AMs, workshop ideas for an NatDex AM, and to serve as a SQSA for both of the aforementioned. Feedback is always encouraged, and anyone is welcome to post in the thread!

Re: Submissions
– Please make sure your NatDex AM follows the guidelines below. As always, other National Dex forum rules and Smogon global rules apply.
– Make sure your metagame idea isn't blacklisted or a current metagame.
– Feedback will eventually come to your post, so please be patient! Rather it be someone you don't know or a moderator, appreciate that you are getting reception.

How to Create a Metagame Idea

General Rules

– All new metagames need to go through the submission process before you can post them. See the steps below on how to do that. Tournaments and projects are approved on a case-by-case basis, you can DM a forum moderator about it.
– You need to have at least 10 posts in the National Dex forum before you can submit an idea. Use that time to become familiar with the community!
Users can submit one new metagame per month regardless of the submission being approved or rejected.
– Every metagame needs a secondary leader (or a council). This is a rule that exists to ensure there is someone able to take over should the host become inactive.

Create Process

Step 1)
Look in the Index (pending creation). Does it already exist? Does something similar exist? Has something similar already been denied? If you see it, don't make it.

Step 2)
Use the General Discussion thread (this thread!) to workshop ideas. The thread allows you to receive feedback so you can tweak your concept before officially submitting it. It is also a good idea to search if similar ideas have been brought up before. If the feedback is mostly positive, continue to the next step.

Step 3) Make sure you follow these guidelines below:
  1. Is the idea feasible? We want to make sure the idea will have good reception with the community; if you feel otherwise about it try to fix that problem before you submit your metagame.
  2. Can it be coded? Sometimes National Dex formats can be a little wonky with additional rules, so just make sure the code you want to use is fully functional.
  3. Is the council active and prepared to host a new metagame? Should be checked beforehand but we don't want anyone inactive on the council of any metagame, please make sure you'll be around often!
  4. Do you have any idea on what can be acted on? A preliminary radar of elements that could be banned would be good to have a clear pathway of the tiering of your metagame and what can follow.
  5. Is your starting ruleset sufficient? Also should be checked beforehand, but please make sure you have the correct clauses, bans, code, etc. in your metagame.

Step 4) Now comes the wait. You will likely get reception from people in say, a few days to 1 week. You are allowed to bump your ideas if there is a prolonged amount of time with no feedback, but please do not pester people about it repeatedly. Be sure to respond accordingly to those who are interested or question your metagame!

Step 5) If you have overall positive reception, check in with your council and go to the submission section of NatDex AMs! Be sure to check the guidelines on how to submit as well.

Besides that, feel free to use the thread as you would like!
 
Hello, we've been wondering if the following format could be clasified as an NDAM and implemented.

Name: Multitype
Description: 9v9 NatDex Doubles OU with the twist that every team MUST contain all the types in the game (not including Stellar). So this means all Pokémon must be dual type and none of them can share the same type. Essentially it's having all 18 types in the same team. Every other rule remains identical to NatDex Doubles OU. And of course Tera is banned because it defies the concept of Multitype.

*Since it's 9v9 it has to be played with team boxes instead of regular formatted teams
 
I don't see this in the index or on a blacklist, so let's do it.

National Dex Force of the Fallen.

It's like Force of the Fallen, but NatDex. For those of you who don't know what Force of the Fallen is, it is an OM where when one of your pokemon faints, the rest of your team gets the move in the 4th slot of the fainted pokemon. For instance, if you had a Great Tusk with Earthquake/Close Combat/Knock Off/Rapid Spin, then when the Great Tusk faints, the rest of your team all gets Rapid Spin. The PP of the shared move is equal to whatever is left when the original user faints, and it is shared across the rest of your team. This will often result in your final pokemon having 9 moves, making endgames chaotic at times.

Endless Battle Clause
Evasion Clause
OHKO Clause
Species Clause
Sleep Moves Clause
Terastal Clause
:Alakazam-Mega: Alakazam-Mega
:Annihilape: Annihilape
:Arceus: Arceus
:Baxcalibur: Baxcalibur
:Blastoise-Mega: Blastoise-Mega
:Blaziken-Mega: Blaziken-Mega
:Calyrex-Ice: Calyrex-Ice
:Calyrex-Shadow: Calyrex-Shadow
:Chatot: Chatot
:Chien-Pao: Chien-Pao
:Chi-Yu: Chi-Yu
:Darkrai: Darkrai
:Darmanitan-Galar: Darmanitan-Galar
:Deoxys: Deoxys
:Deoxys-Attack: Deoxys-Attack
:Deoxys-Speed: Deoxys-Speed
:Dialga: :Dialga-Origin: Dialga
:Dragapult: Dragapult
:Enamorus: Enamorus
:Espathra: Espathra
:Eternatus: Eternatus
:Falinks: Falinks
:Flutter Mane: Flutter Mane
:Genesect: Genesect
:Gengar-Mega: Gengar-Mega
:Giratina: :Giratina-Origin: Giratina
:Gouging Fire: Gouging Fire
:Grapploct: Grapploct
:Groudon: :Groudon-Primal: Groudon
:Ho-Oh: Ho-Oh
:Iron Bundle: Iron Bundle
:Kangaskhan-Mega: Kangaskhan-Mega
:Kommo-O: Kommo-o
:Koraidon: Koraidon
:Kyogre: :Kyogre-Primal: Kyogre
:Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black
:Kyurem-White: Kyurem-White
:Landorus: Landorus-Incarnate
:Lilligant-Hisui: Lilligant-Hisui
:Lucario-Mega: Lucario-Mega
:Lugia: Lugia
:Lunala: Lunala
:Magearna: Magearna
:Marshadow: Marshadow
:Melmetal: Melmetal
:Metagross-Mega: Metagross-Mega
:Mewtwo: :Mewtwo-Mega-X: :Mewtwo-Mega-Y: Mewtwo
:Miraidon: Miraidon
:Naganadel: Naganadel
:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
:Ogerpon-Hearthflame: Ogerpon-Hearthflame
:Palafin: :Palafin-Hero: Palafin
:Palkia: :Palkia-Origin: Palkia
:Pheromosa: Pheromosa
:Rayquaza: :Rayquaza-Mega: Rayquaza
:Regieleki: Regieleki
:Reshiram: Reshiram
:Roaring Moon: Roaring Moon
:Salamence-Mega: Salamence-Mega
:Shaymin-Sky: Shaymin-Sky
:Smeargle: Smeargle
:Sneasler: Sneasler
:Solgaleo: Solgaleo
:Spectrier: Spectrier
:Tinkaton: Tinkaton
:Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
:Urshifu: Urshifu-Single-Strike
:Veluza: Veluza
:Victini: Victini
:Walking Wake: Walking Wake
:Xerneas: Xerneas
:Yveltal: Yveltal:
:Zacian: :Zacian-Crowned: Zacian
:Zamazenta-Crowned: Zamazenta-Crowned
:Zekrom: Zekrom
:Zygarde: :Zygarde-Complete: Zygarde
:Dugtrio: Arena Trap
:Glalie: Moody
:Gengar-Mega: Shadow Tag
:King's Rock: King's Rock
:Razor Fang: Razor Fang
:Liepard: Assist
:Ninjask: Baton Pass
:Dracozolt: Bolt Beak
:Heliolisk: Electrify
:Dracovish: Fishious Rend
:Houndstone: Last Respects
:Cyclizar: Shed Tail
:Zangoose: Belly Drum
:Banette-Mega: Destiny Bond
:Linoone: Extreme Speed
:Maushold: Population Bomb
:Volcarona: Quiver Dance
:Annihilape: Rage Fist
:Pawmot: Revival Blessing
:Crustle: Shell Smash
:Manaphy: Tail Glow

:Serperior: Contrary
:Gholdengo: Gholdengo
:Iron Valiant: Iron Valiant
:Kingambit: Kingambit
:Tapu Koko: Tapu Koko
:Volcarona: Volcarona
:Zamazenta: Zamazenta

Council:
:Marshadow: ANinjaDude co-leader
:Darkrai: prunyy co-leader
:sneasler: Lightniong
Applications open, just DM me.
 
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I don't see this in the index or on a blacklist, so let's do it.

National Dex Force of the Fallen.

It's like Force of the Fallen, but NatDex. For those of you who don't know what Force of the Fallen is, it is an OM where when one of your pokemon faints, the rest of your team gets the move in the 4th slot of the fainted pokemon. For instance, if you had a Great Tusk with Earthquake/Close Combat/Knock Off/Rapid Spin, then when the Great Tusk faints, the rest of your team all gets Rapid Spin. The PP of the shared move is equal to whatever is left when the original user faints, and it is shared across the rest of your team. This will often result in your final pokemon having 9 moves, making endgames chaotic at times.

Endless Battle Clause
Evasion Clause
OHKO Clause
Species Clause
Sleep Moves Clause
Terastal Clause
:Alakazam-Mega: Alakazam-Mega
:Annihilape: Annihilape
:Arceus: Arceus
:Baxcalibur: Baxcalibur
:Blastoise-Mega: Blastoise-Mega
:Blaziken-Mega: Blaziken-Mega
:Calyrex-Ice: Calyrex-Ice
:Calyrex-Shadow: Calyrex-Shadow
:Chatot: Chatot
:Chien-Pao: Chien-Pao
:Chi-Yu: Chi-Yu
:Darkrai: Darkrai
:Darmanitan-Galar: Darmanitan-Galar
:Deoxys: Deoxys
:Deoxys-Attack: Deoxys-Attack
:Deoxys-Speed: Deoxys-Speed
:Dialga: :Dialga-Origin: Dialga
:Dragapult: Dragapult
:Enamorus: Enamorus
:Espathra: Espathra
:Eternatus: Eternatus
:Falinks: Falinks
:Flutter Mane: Flutter Mane
:Genesect: Genesect
:Gengar-Mega: Gengar-Mega
:Giratina: :Giratina-Origin: Giratina
:Gouging Fire: Gouging Fire
:Grapploct: Grapploct
:Groudon: :Groudon-Primal: Groudon
:Ho-Oh: Ho-Oh
:Iron Bundle: Iron Bundle
:Kangaskhan-Mega: Kangaskhan-Mega
:Kommo-O: Kommo-o
:Koraidon: Koraidon
:Kyogre: :Kyogre-Primal: Kyogre
:Kyurem-Black: Kyurem-Black
:Kyurem-White: Kyurem-White
:Landorus: Landorus-Incarnate
:Lilligant-Hisui: Lilligant-Hisui
:Lucario-Mega: Lucario-Mega
:Lugia: Lugia
:Lunala: Lunala
:Magearna: Magearna
:Marshadow: Marshadow
:Melmetal: Melmetal
:Metagross-Mega: Metagross-Mega
:Mewtwo: :Mewtwo-Mega-X: :Mewtwo-Mega-Y: Mewtwo
:Miraidon: Miraidon
:Naganadel: Naganadel
:Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
:Necrozma-Dusk-Mane: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
:Ogerpon-Hearthflame: Ogerpon-Hearthflame
:Palafin: :Palafin-Hero: Palafin
:Palkia: :Palkia-Origin: Palkia
:Pheromosa: Pheromosa
:Rayquaza: :Rayquaza-Mega: Rayquaza
:Regieleki: Regieleki
:Reshiram: Reshiram
:Roaring Moon: Roaring Moon
:Salamence-Mega: Salamence-Mega
:Shaymin-Sky: Shaymin-Sky
:Smeargle: Smeargle
:Sneasler: Sneasler
:Solgaleo: Solgaleo
:Spectrier: Spectrier
:Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: Ursaluna-Bloodmoon
:Urshifu: Urshifu-Single-Strike
:Veluza: Veluza
:Victini: Victini
:Walking Wake: Walking Wake
:Xerneas: Xerneas
:Yveltal: Yveltal:
:Zacian: :Zacian-Crowned: Zacian
:Zamazenta-Crowned: Zamazenta-Crowned
:Zekrom: Zekrom
:Zygarde: :Zygarde-Complete: Zygarde
:Dugtrio: Arena Trap
:Glalie: Moody
:Gengar-Mega: Shadow Tag
:King's Rock: King's Rock
:Razor Fang: Razor Fang
:Liepard: Assist
:Ninjask: Baton Pass
:Dracozolt: Bolt Beak
:Heliolisk: Electrify
:Dracovish: Fishious Rend
:Houndstone: Last Respects
:Cyclizar: Shed Tail
:Zangoose: Belly Drum
:Banette-Mega: Destiny Bond
:Linoone: Extreme Speed
:Volcarona: Quiver Dance
:Annihilape: Rage Fist
:Pawmot: Revival Blessing
:Crustle: Shell Smash
:Manaphy: Tail Glow

:Serperior: Contrary
:Gholdengo: Gholdengo
:Iron Valiant: Iron Valiant
:Kingambit: Kingambit
:Tapu Koko: Tapu Koko
:Volcarona: Volcarona
:Zamazenta: Zamazenta

Council:
:Marshadow: ANinjaDude co-leader
:Darkrai: prunyy co-leader
:sneasler: Lightniong
Applications open, just DM me.
Update: We have decided to add Population Bomb to our initial restriction list and Tinkaton to our initial banlist on grounds of "that much BP cannot be healthy."
 
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