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NDMPL will start at Mid March, so this discussion has to be made.

For a refresher, here's what NDMPL IV looked like in terms of slots last year:
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SS NatDex Monotype
  • Ubers NatDex Monotype
  • Monothreat NatDex Monotype
  • Z-Less NatDex Monotype

We are currently considering a 8-slot 6-slot format, but we'd like to bring up the following topics for consideration:
  1. The format we are most leaning to is 4 SV / 2 SS, and 2 slots to SV, Monothreat, RU, Bo3 (SV), or even another OM
  2. Suggestions for 8 slots are fine, but the main issue is the lack of OMs that are active enough without devolving to 5 SV NDM slots NDMPL V will have 8 slots.
  3. We are discussing a change to budget and manager prices. Last year's budget with 8 slots is 100k / 15k per manager for reference. If 6 slots will be followed, this would budget would be cut down to 80k.
  4. Retains will not be in this season due to how broken it would be if it were 6 slots.
  5. This will be an auction, we are not entertaining any suggestions for a snake draft.

Manager signups will go up Sunday March 2, meaning this thread will be open for at most a week. If you feel any which way about any of the aforementioned topics, we'd love to hear your opinion and why you feel that way. Please don't shitpost or drop one-liners; if you aren't giving an explanation, it's going to be difficult to use an unsubstantiated opinion to sway a decision in one direction or another. Saying "x" is bad without backing up your opinion means nothing in the long run.

This thread should only be used to discuss the format for NDMPL V. We do reserve the right to infract and delete unhelpful posts. Once a final decision has been made, this thread will be locked and format will not change.
 
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Hey yall someone asked me to make a post so I will.

I think 8 slots is the perfect amount for ndmpl. I think it was a big success last year and it should be kept as is.

I don’t think we should completely cut out ndm oms however I think we should largely favor more SV slots just because how represented NDM as a format is in tours. More slots give more opportunities for players to shine. I think we cut zless and Threat in favor of a SV BO3 and NDM RU. Ubers should be kept imo as it’s good crossover and is not nearly as prep heavy as threat.

I think 15K per manger is very fair.

That’s all I really have to say.
 
Good evening, morning, afternoon (to timezones that aren't US EAST) :quagchamppogsire:

As someone who genuinely enjoyed managing and participating in last years NDMPL I would like to propose something.

STICK TO THE 6 BATTLE FORMAT!

It gives a better edge in preparing for certain slots and overall not allowing an over consumption of one specific tier within NDM. SV is good, yes, but I dont think we need to do another 4-5 slots strictly dedicated to SV. Keep it as followed:

SV - 3
SS - 1
Threat - 1
RU - 1

Yes, I did add RU into the mix as Ubers hasn't really seen the light of day in so long in regards to tiering/overall enthusiasm and Z-Less has really gained a downward spiral of barely any interaction. NDM RU is a new and improved OM to NDM that has gained traction and attention and would be an absolute fun way to kick off the new OM. We already have a samples thread posted and are finishing up the VR as I type this out. It has a variety of different Pokemon to use and overall a great metagame set before it. With the exception of the bans we've already gone over. It would also be a great means of developing a further metagame that has caught the eyes of a lot in the room.
 
Keep the same format but RU > Ubers/zless, idk if going down to 6 slots when ndm has a decently large community to back up 8 slots. I think 6 slots is kinda lame ngl.
4 SV / 1 SS / 1 Threat / 1 RU / 1 Ubers/Zless/Bo3/whatever

Edit: WAITTTTT I ATE, natdex mono LC yassss
 
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Idk if going to 6 slots is the best due to the fact it will likely result in significantly less players drafted in the first place. NDM has a p big community with a lot of players that don't get to play in a team tour environment since a lot of other tours that include NDM has it as a 1-slot side. However, I do think slots should be re-ordered since a lot of OMs have faded or grown in popularity.

Primarily, Z-Less (as fun as I like it) has dropped in popularity a ton after people figured out it's basically SV Mono but with megas. Further, dragon is way too dominant in that tier for it to be considered a healthy meta. Either tiering action needs to be done, or just remove it from NDMPL (preferred option).

On the other hand, NDM RU has grown a lot in popularity recently and many people in the NDM scene seem to enjoy the meta. It is a somewhat healthy metagame with many types being usable as well as many mons not normally seen being very viable in the tier (Revaroom for example). These two elements add a refreshing touch and could be an interesting solo slot for builders to cook in.

Ubers is also just unbalanced and I don't tell really anyone likes the tier. Significant tiering action needs to be done to balance the tier to make it enjoyable for such an important team tour.

Proposal:
3 SV
2 SS
1 Bo3 (SV)
1 Threat
1 RU

Why only two OMs? Those are the two OMs that by in far have the most support and following (SS is not an OM in my eyes similar to how OU tours frequently include past gens), while many other OMs have little discussion or only a tiny amount of people who play the OM.

Even though there are only 2 OMs, there's only 4 SV slots since NDM RU plays very differently, Threat is much more build centric, and SS has a different dynamic than SV.
 
Ndm has been rapidly growing with more and more players joining the community recently. 6 slots feels like a step backwards, limiting the number of games/players, which seems like the opposite of what is generally wanted for the tier.

8 slots seems perfect to me, allowing for more overall fun and participation.

With the recent interest in Ndm RU, i think it could be fun to include. My preferred format would be as follows,

4 SV
SS
Ubers
RU
Threat

I think 4 SV slots is appropriate due to how balanced the tier is, with every type being viable, allowing for more diverse and creative gameplay. I think Ubers was well received and fun to watch last year, so I would like to see it again. If i had to pick one to be dropped in favor of Z-less i would say threat.
 
Based from the discussion so far, the general sentiment seems to be of 8 slots for NDMPL V.

The Mod team would like to float around a possible format: SV / SV / SV / SV / SS / SS + 2 OMs

The reasoning for 2 SS is that its an old supported gen that doesnt really get played aside from NDMPL.

We would like your thoughts on this, thank you for responding so quickly!
 
Neko said:
Based from the discussion so far, the general sentiment seems to be of 8 slots for NDMPL V.

The Mod team would like to float around a possible format: SV / SV / SV / SV / SS / SS + 2 OMs

The reasoning for 2 SS is that its an old supported gen that doesnt really get played aside from NDMPL.

We would like your thoughts on this, thank you for responding so quickly!
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i like the 2 SS idea, i think it's good, but then 4 SV seems a bit much, if anything

SV
SV
SV
SS
SS
Ubers
Zless
Threat

seems like a really good lineup tbh

though i have an abstract idea which is SV/SS Bo3
randpick for SS or SV, do 2nd game the one that wasnt picked, and if needed 3rd game is loser of game 2 picks ss or sv
of course this is not very mainstream or anything people think but if anyone has any comments on this pls mention in ur posts as well
and Neko please no RU :row::row:
 
SV
SV
SV
SV
SS
SS
Ubers / Threat
Z-less / RU

RU is very new atm and I think it still needs soemtime to settles but it can be used over Z-less though in personal opinion Z-less just destroys the point of Natdex. Other than that these look awesome and should work. I would like to see SS over Bo3 because that is just like another slot for sv. Threat can be compared over Ubers as Ubers have somewhat less players than Threat but it is a fun to play tier dropping it would kinda be bad
 
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Neko said:
Based from the discussion so far, the general sentiment seems to be of 8 slots for NDMPL V.

The Mod team would like to float around a possible format: SV / SV / SV / SV / SS / SS + 2 OMs

The reasoning for 2 SS is that its an old supported gen that doesnt really get played aside from NDMPL.

We would like your thoughts on this, thank you for responding so quickly!
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I like the idea behind 2 SS, however, I feel like one of the SV slots could be a Bo3 to help give more variety. Regarding the 2 OMs, I feel like RU and Threat, the 2 OMs with the biggest currently active, fanbase would be best
 
  • SV
  • SV
  • SV
  • SV
  • SS
  • SS
  • Uber
  • Threat
I'm in favor of this format. We shouldn't go below 4 SV because we lack diverse options and this is the format that is most represented across tours. I like keeping SS around to keep the only "old gen" relevant especially with Gen 10 not too far away. Plus we know it's balanced and learning SS is way easier than learning Threat, RU, Ubers. Threat is a staple and Ubers has the most development of the OMs even if RU might be more popular right now.

I don't like Bo3 in tours like this because the prep sucks and the return on investment is horrible. Honestly nothing redeeming about this format other than it's more fun to watch
 
style.css said:
  • SV
  • SV
  • SV
  • SV
  • SS
  • SS
  • Uber
  • Threat
I'm in favor of this format. We shouldn't go below 4 SV because we lack diverse options and this is the format that is most represented across tours. I like keeping SS around to keep the only "old gen" relevant especially with Gen 10 not too far away. Plus we know it's balanced and learning SS is way easier than learning Threat, RU, Ubers. Threat is a staple and Ubers has the most development of the OMs even if RU might be more popular right now.

I don't like Bo3 in tours like this because the prep sucks and the return on investment is horrible. Honestly nothing redeeming about this format other than it's more fun to watch
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I agree with Style. I'd also add, if you want to add RU, have it replace one SS spot.
 
again since this is ndms biggest tour i will always say promoting old gens and cg is the best way to go. that being said i dont really care if it is 6 or 8 slots but here are my suggestions:

6 slots
3 SV
2 SS
1 Threat

8 Slots
4 SV
2 SS
1 Threat
1 Ubers/Z-Less
 
Neko said:
The Mod team would like to float around a possible format: SV / SV / SV / SV / SS / SS + 2 OMs

The reasoning for 2 SS is that its an old supported gen that doesnt really get played aside from NDMPL.
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I don't think we need to bring back Z-Less as the overall enthusiasm and playerbase for this OM has significantly gone downhill. With RU, there is a very high enthusiasm especially for a recent OM. I think we should, after consideration, keep the 8 slot lineups. Z-Less has gotten really no enthusiasm, and Ubers, yes is a fun OM, but the enthusiasm for that has also significantly gone downhill as well.


Keep the regular Formats with
SV
SV
SV
SV
SS
SS
Threat
Ru

Even if Ubers does have the most development in regards to OMs, RU just has some finishing tweaks to go over and then it will be a easier way of building around the meta.
 
Thank you for your feedback, NDMPL V's tiers will be as follows:
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SV NatDex Monotype
  • SS NatDex Monotype
  • Ubers NatDex Monotype
  • Monothreat NatDex Monotype
  • RU NatDex Monotype
Total initial budget: 100k
Manager self-buys: 15k per manager
Retains: No
Manager signups: Tomorrow

I hope we'll have a fun tour ahead :blobnom:
 
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