Need some help! RMT (D/P, though I take advantage of Platinum)

PokemonKing

This is my first RMT, and I really need some help with this team.
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Weaville @ Focus Sash
Pressure
Evs: 252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 4 HP
Jolly (+Speed, -Attack)
-Ice Shard
-Counter
-Night Slash
-Brick Break

This is my anti-lead Weaville. I use it to try and dent at least one of their Pokemon, so they don't come back to haunt me later. I really feel though, that Weaville doesn't really fit in very well with this team. Any suggestions? This Weaville is a bit (ok, a lot different) different from the Smogon Standard, in that I took away Fake Out and Taunt so that I could have 3 attacking moves, plus Counter. I feel the Taunt+Counter prediction is too much for me at the moments, and Fake Out in my opinion is too predictable from a leading Weaville. Adding the two attacking moves in my opinion surprises a lot of opponents, and I get a kill in a few matches, just because of the surprise factor. Counter is mainly so I can stop a sweep from say, Scizor, and many other physical stat uppers who are either faster than me, or have a priority move that really hurts. Brick Break is for those stupid Dragon Dance Tyranitars that try to take advantage of the potential switch out that I would take if I was using the standard anti-lead set.

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Sand Veil
Evs: 252 HP/ 4 Attack/ 156 Defense/ 96 Speed
Impish (+Defence, -Sp. Attack)
-Rock Polish
-Baton Pass
-Earthquake
-Taunt

This is the first or second (depending on the opponent's team) part of my set-up to make a really good Heatran. I send Gliscor on something it scares, then use Rock Polish so I can Baton Pass to either Espeon or Heatran depending on the counter that they send out. If it's a Celebi however, and I haven't done my Calm Minding with Espeon, I'll Taunt it so it can't Leech Seed me, Substitute, start Calm Minding, or some other crap that I don't feel like mentioning. After that, time for a Baton Pass to Espeon so it can either sweep through the team, or let Heatran finish the job. Normally, I'll try to pass some speed to Espeon first, so those Weaville switch-ins don't outspeed me, then I switch to Heatran with my Substitute intact, then kill Weaville, then procede to sweep the team. But, I digress about Heatran. The EVs on Gliscor are to maximize its defensive capabilities, while still keeping its speed pretty high after a Rock Polish. Also, Electivire with max attack, Adamant nature, and an Expert Belt never OHKOs Gliscor with Ice Punch when Gliscor is at full health, allowing me to OHKO it back with Earthquake. Even if Electivire has a Life Orb, its range of damage is 85.88% - 101.13%, which still gives me a chance to survive. Although, if I have to resort to that, I've lost my strategy, as any priority move can kill me.

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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/ 252 Defence/ 68 Sp. Attack
Bold (+Defence, -Attack)
-Surf
-HP electric
-Toxic
-Wish

Surf and HP Electric are there for Infernape and Gyarados, respectively. Toxic is for Blissey and various bulky pokemon that Vaporeon alone can't handle, and Wish is for healing my team so I can better set up a Calm Mind chain with Espeon, or let Gliscor live again. I can't seem to make a single team without this guy. The EVs are so I can survive Gyarados and Infernape boosted physical hits, then either one or two hit KO them with their respective moves.


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Blissey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Defence/ 52 Sp. Attack/ 200 Sp. Defence
Calm (+Sp. Defence, -Attack)
-Seismic Toss
-Thunder Wave
-Ice Beam
-Softboiled

Basically, THE special wall. I suppose you could count Espeon, but it pales in comparison to this. This was just a random Pokemon I inserted in so I could have 6 pokemon in my team, and it works pretty well. I usually bring this on a special wall that can't do anything to this thing, then I Thunder Wave to cripple the incoming physical attacker (hopefully it's a physical attacker.) Ice Beam is there so I can hit those dragons, though now that Garchomp is gone, I suppose this isn't as much of a threat, so I may consider a different move, but probably not. Softboiled (duh.) The Evs are to make for a pretty good walling Blissey, and not many not STABbed non super effective physical attacks OHKO this.

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Espeon @ Leftovers
Synchronize
EVs: 196 HP/ 240 Speed/ 72 Sp. Defence
Timid (+Speed, -Attack)
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Substitute
-Baton Pass

Ahh, EspyJump, how I love you. How many battles you have won for me, and how many Celebis you have murdered. My strategy with Espeon is to Calm Mind up behind a substitute (duh), then pass it off to Heatran, along with the hopeful speed boost from Gliscor. Espeon has saved me from SO many battles, it's not even funny. He stays, no matter what.

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Flash Fire
Evs: 40 HP/ 252 Sp. Attack/ 216 Speed
Modest (+Sp. Attack, -Attack)
-Flamethrower
-Earth Power
-Dragon Pulse
-Substitute

My RMT is finally almost over! Heatran is the recipient of my mini-Baton Pass chain, and a good recipient of it he is. I spent days trying to figure out what my main passers should be, and I went through every Calm Minder and Nasty Plot passer, and I finally found this. I call my combo "GliscEspyTran". Very original lol. The attacking moves are for type coverage, and I basically took the Smogon Standard Specs set, and gave it Substitute over Explosion, as this Heatran can easily (most of the time) beat Blissey one-on-one, and if it's a Sp. Defence hog, then I spam Earth Power at it until it gets a Sp. Defence drop, maybe I spam Flamethrower at it which actually kills it in 2 hits, lol. Substitute helps because I can hide behind it when say, an Infernape comes out, and I can kill it with Earth Power.

Previous members of my team:
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This team has a pretty good Plan A, and if Plan A goes well, then I usually win. However, I feel like I need something to fall back on if I get too cocky with heatran and it gets killed. I love this team though, so I need lots of help to make it great.

Thanks for Rating My Team!!!

Oh yeah, credits to arkeis.com for the pics
 
Perhaps Espeon isn't the correct Baton Pass manipulator, despite your adamant request, "Espeon stays, no matter what". Opposing Gyarados is capable of sweeping your team with Dragon Dance; there's no question about that. I feel with this slight setback, Espeon can easily be replaced with Celebi, who also can set up Calm Mind and Baton Pass, but also offering its ability to halt Gyarados from sweeping; if you opt for Grass Knot over Psychic on Celebi, then you increase your chances.

Either way, I feel it is essential to pass Heatran a boost in Speed with Rock Polish. If this is the case, you can Calm Mind with Celebi, attract in those opposing Heatran or Infernape, and Baton Pass to Heatran and attain a free Flash Fire boost; further increasing your chances of a sweep.

Nothing more than my alternative to Espeon.
 
Whilst I agree in a way with Taylor, if you did use Celebi, Infernape could easily rip this team apart.

Weavile I won't bother speaking about as Infernape will OHKO it, and it cannot do much back provided Infernape uses Flamethrower (which is likely to prevent Def / SpD drop). Gliscor gets OHKOd by a Nasty Plot Life Orb Flamethrower, Blissey gets OHKOd by Close Combat. Heatran also manages to be OHKOd by Close Combat, and your Metagross by normal LO Flamethrower. This leaves Espeon or Celebi, both of which will probably have Psychic or Grass Knot as their only attacking move, meaning you are easily walled. A +2 Flamethrower would also OHKO your Espeon. Celebi wouldn't help here either.

You also currently say that Metagross is the weak link. I would say "Use Salamence!" which only HP Ice Infernape would be usually able to beat, which means they are NP-less. However, Vaporeon would work over by also countering Gyarados whom you have a problem with, and it would provide Wish support and continuing the Baton Pass trend. It would also suck Water-type attacks from Heatran and Gliscor, as you currently have no resist.

It could work over either Metagross or Espeon, if you choose it over Espeon you lose your prime "setup" and would probably need to go to Metagross after an Agility from Gliscor. I would personally choose it over Metagross as Espeon seems more useful. You may still want to follow Taylor's advice and use Weavile / Gliscor / Heatran / Celebi / Blissey / Vaporeon.
 
Taylor said:
Perhaps Espeon isn't the correct Baton Pass manipulator, despite your adamant request, "Espeon stays, no matter what". Opposing Gyarados is capable of sweeping your team with Dragon Dance; there's no question about that. I feel with this slight setback, Espeon can easily be replaced with Celebi, who also can set up Calm Mind and Baton Pass, but also offering its ability to halt Gyarados from sweeping; if you opt for Grass Knot over Psychic on Celebi, then you increase your chances.
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The main reason I chose Espeon, is because of its ability to kill Infernape without getting ripped apart by Flamethrower. I probably will add more speed EVs to Espeon, so it outspeeds max speed Infernape by a point, which allows me to kill it before it kills me, but I'll test it. If I add Vaporeon though, probably won't have to do this. I don't know though.

Twash_Man said:
It could work over either Metagross or Espeon, if you choose it over Espeon you lose your prime "setup" and would probably need to go to Metagross after an Agility from Gliscor. I would personally choose it over Metagross as Espeon seems more useful.
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I was actually thinking about doing this. Any thoughts on a moveset? I'm keeping Espeon in, so I'm getting rid of Metagross maybe.

Thanks for the help
 
You would need Surf / Hidden Power Electric for Infernape & Gyarados respectively. Then you would probably need Wish, meaning in the last slot you can use Protect, Baton Pass, Toxic or Ice Beam.
 
How does this spread look?

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/ 252 Defence/ 68 Sp. Attack
Bold (+Defence, -Attack)
-Surf
-HP electric
-Toxic
-Wish

Surf and HP Electric are there for Infernape and Gyarados, respectively. Toxic is for Blissey and various bulky pokemon that Vaporeon alone can't handle, and Wish is for healing my team so I can better set up a Calm Mind chain with Espeon, or let Gliscor live again. I can't seem to make a single team without this guy.

Put this guy over Metagross?
 
Yeah, sure, that sounds great. vaporeon is the essence of a bulky water, however, one question about your team i have, is that if the baton passing strategy doesnt work, you lack speed and a direct method of offense. Also, what about phazing? One thing i notice is that swampert/gliscor wall your team (the only exception being weavile). They easily get up stealth rock, and roar away any pokemon attempting a baton pass. This might sound weird, but smeargle can be incredibly useful on a baton pass team. Baton pass speed to smeargle, and when they switch in a pokemon to phaze it out, use ingrain, to make them waste a turn. If you do use smeargle, i think this set could work for your team:

Jolly Smeargle @ Leftovers
252 Hp/6 Def/252 Spe
-Baton Pass
-Ingrain
-Nasty Plot
-Spore

If you were to use this, i would put it in over espeon. And this just might be my little paranoia problem, but really, but HP Grass/Electric on Heatran, because you cant OHKO Swampert/Gyarados even with +2 SpA, unless they are very non-bulky variants. Plus, with +2 Speed and SpA, and rocks up (Hint, get a starter with S.R, or put it in Gliscor) nothing will be able to stop a heatran with great coverage and +2 SpA/+2 Spe. What about life orb/expert belt on heatran?
 
I'm probably going to keep leftovers on Heatran, as it's saved me from dying many times, and it works well with substitute.

The thing is, most of the time when Swampert or Gyarados come in, they usually are leading, which is met by Vaporeon using Toxic on Swampert, or HP Electric on Gyarados. I then Wish off the damage, and start my sweep/set-up with Gliscor. Any other time, I do the same.

I might consider a SR lead in place of Weaville, as I feel Weaville is just a load of dead weight on my team, as it doesn't hit many of the common leads nowadays very hard. I'll think about it.
 
How does a Spiking Deo-E and reflect/light screen sound? It'll allow my espeon to set up easier. It'll also allow Blissey to wall easier, as I won't have to worry about physical attacks as much. Come on people, help!
 
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