Gengar+Snorlax,Clefable,Chansey,Lapras,Starmie
The idea and premise of this team, is that if you go and look at the possibilities of moves.
This team has more move possibilities than most teams can get, while still retaining the thoughts necessary to play for a win.
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
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Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
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Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Lapras:
Moves |
| Blizzard 98.974% |
| Thunderbolt 76.217% |
| Body Slam 60.143% |
| Hyper Beam 49.529% |
| Sing 48.712% |
| Rest 32.736% |
| Thunder 20.319% |
| Other 13.370%
-----------
Clefable:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.683% |
| Body Slam 92.086% |
| Blizzard 52.932% |
| Hyper Beam 50.310% |
| Psychic 47.257% |
| Rest 42.514% |
| Other 15.218%
---------------
Only 9 of the moves have above 90% usage implying only 9 moves are necessary of 4*6=24 moves. So roughly 66% of the moves of the team, can be used for making your opponent guess.
Why this team should be inherently harder to play against then most is I went with a good lead that's realistic, with everything in the team being practical for OU. Clefable, being a bit optimistic, but with this team, you should have about double the amount of move possibilities as your opponent if you count them. Your opponent will really have to guess what you got.
The idea is that it doesn't have anything with obvious moves, or if limited obvious moves as much as possible, obviously Chansey soft boiled can be guessed, but it goes for the best mix of winning and keeping it hard to guess.
If you count how many moves it could have, and cross compare with standard team, it has many more moves, like most teams have a Tauros, and a Tauros can only have 2 set possibilities.
Here is a standard team for comparison:
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
-------
Exeggutor:
Moves |
| Psychic 99.770% |
| Sleep Powder 92.658% |
| Explosion 87.367% |
| Stun Spore 59.033% |
| Mega Drain 21.510% |
| Rest 19.626% |
| Double-Edge 11.436% |
| Other 8.599%
----------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
---------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
----------
Alakazam:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.945% |
| Recover 99.886% |
| Psychic 99.832% |
| Seismic Toss 73.612% |
| Reflect 18.748% |
| Other 7.978%
---------
So for a standard team with big4+both recover users such as we have above here, you can see this standard team boasts 38 possible moves+65% combined "other" moves essentially this 65% means it's 65% of a whole nother mon worth of moves.
But of the 38 moves, you can see some of them are just...obvious like softboiled. In fact I think 12 of those 38 are obvious.
So it's more like 26 moves+65% of a Mon is what the number I'm trying to pull from all of this is.
Let's compare this to the team i just made here:
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
--------------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Lapras:
Moves |
| Blizzard 98.974% |
| Thunderbolt 76.217% |
| Body Slam 60.143% |
| Hyper Beam 49.529% |
| Sing 48.712% |
| Rest 32.736% |
| Thunder 20.319% |
| Other 13.370%
-----------
Clefable:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.683% |
| Body Slam 92.086% |
| Blizzard 52.932% |
| Hyper Beam 50.310% |
| Psychic 47.257% |
| Rest 42.514% |
| Other 15.218%
---------------
If you count this teams moves you will see it has 39;possibilities+78% other.
Also: 8 of them are obvious, so that leaves 31 moves that aren't obvious+78% of a Mon, so let's call that 3 moves? That's 34 effective moves that opponent has to guess. Compared to the 28 effective moves the standard team makes someone need to guess.
The Cholaski team for reference if it had all of its theoretical value:
Jynx:
Moves |
| Lovely Kiss 100.000% |
| Blizzard 92.328% |
| Rest 77.794% |
| Psychic 67.826% |
| Body Slam 31.252% |
| Counter 13.772% |
| Other 17.029%
-------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
------
Cloyster:
Moves |
| Clamp 99.809% |
| Explosion 98.809% |
| Blizzard 96.735% |
| Rest 89.501% |
| Other 15.146%
--------
Rhydon:
Moves |
| Earthquake 99.965% |
| Substitute 97.436% |
| Body Slam 88.829% |
| Rock Slide 64.331% |
| Rest 41.908% |
| Other 7.533%
---------
As a bonus I'll add the Gengar team I like to use:
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Cloyster:
Moves |
| Clamp 99.809% |
| Explosion 98.809% |
| Blizzard 96.735% |
| Rest 89.501% |
| Other 15.146%
--------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
----------------
Alakazam:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.945% |
| Recover 99.886% |
| Psychic 99.832% |
| Seismic Toss 73.612% |
| Reflect 18.748% |
| Other 7.978%
---------
Zapdos:
Moves |
| Drill Peck 99.998% |
| Thunderbolt 99.648% |
| Thunder Wave 98.531% |
| Agility 75.602% |
| Rest 21.865% |
| Other 4.357%
-----------
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
------
So the Cholaski team for comparison has only 33 moves with 73% "other", I'll convert that "other" to an extra 3 moves. So 36 moves total, with 12 of them being a no-duh, so actually 24 moves.
The bonus Gengar team has 31 moves with 77% "other", I'll convert that to 3 moves, so 34 moves total, minus what's obvious, 14 are obvious, so 20 move total.
Comparison:
Bonus team: 20 move possibility
Cholaski: 24 move possibility
Specials: 28 move possibility
This new team: 34 move possibility
(These numbers reflect how many moves each team could have in there arsenal after already accounting for obvious moves like soft boiled, or tauros body slam)
So like for reference, this team enjoys having its moves not shown, that way it can leverage it's unique traits.
.......The difference between 20's and 34 should be noticable in effect of how much more your opp has to guess as you reveal your moves to them.
On average a team in RBY will have mid 20's for total move possibilities after accounting for obvious moves, but this team is pulling 34! This means this team can use about 33% more moves than a standard team, but if the moves are unrevealed, your opponent will still have 33% less move possibility than yourself after accounting for anything obvious, from their perspective they have to respect your total possibilities.
Which means you are pulling from a pool of 33% more useful moves than someone using a standard team, the S-Tier moves are already subtracted on each side, so this would be your A and B tier moves that I am talking about, these moves have usage rates primarily between 50-90% such as Tauros blizzard, and Tauros Earthquake.
This team gets you extra turns because your opp has to figure out what move sets you have, because you have a 33% wider movepool range than a standard team does.(Intrinsically) Because it's based off of what mons you have.
The idea and premise of this team, is that if you go and look at the possibilities of moves.
This team has more move possibilities than most teams can get, while still retaining the thoughts necessary to play for a win.
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
--------------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Lapras:
Moves |
| Blizzard 98.974% |
| Thunderbolt 76.217% |
| Body Slam 60.143% |
| Hyper Beam 49.529% |
| Sing 48.712% |
| Rest 32.736% |
| Thunder 20.319% |
| Other 13.370%
-----------
Clefable:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.683% |
| Body Slam 92.086% |
| Blizzard 52.932% |
| Hyper Beam 50.310% |
| Psychic 47.257% |
| Rest 42.514% |
| Other 15.218%
---------------
Only 9 of the moves have above 90% usage implying only 9 moves are necessary of 4*6=24 moves. So roughly 66% of the moves of the team, can be used for making your opponent guess.
Why this team should be inherently harder to play against then most is I went with a good lead that's realistic, with everything in the team being practical for OU. Clefable, being a bit optimistic, but with this team, you should have about double the amount of move possibilities as your opponent if you count them. Your opponent will really have to guess what you got.
The idea is that it doesn't have anything with obvious moves, or if limited obvious moves as much as possible, obviously Chansey soft boiled can be guessed, but it goes for the best mix of winning and keeping it hard to guess.
If you count how many moves it could have, and cross compare with standard team, it has many more moves, like most teams have a Tauros, and a Tauros can only have 2 set possibilities.
Here is a standard team for comparison:
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
-------
Exeggutor:
Moves |
| Psychic 99.770% |
| Sleep Powder 92.658% |
| Explosion 87.367% |
| Stun Spore 59.033% |
| Mega Drain 21.510% |
| Rest 19.626% |
| Double-Edge 11.436% |
| Other 8.599%
----------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
---------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
----------
Alakazam:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.945% |
| Recover 99.886% |
| Psychic 99.832% |
| Seismic Toss 73.612% |
| Reflect 18.748% |
| Other 7.978%
---------
So for a standard team with big4+both recover users such as we have above here, you can see this standard team boasts 38 possible moves+65% combined "other" moves essentially this 65% means it's 65% of a whole nother mon worth of moves.
But of the 38 moves, you can see some of them are just...obvious like softboiled. In fact I think 12 of those 38 are obvious.
So it's more like 26 moves+65% of a Mon is what the number I'm trying to pull from all of this is.
Let's compare this to the team i just made here:
Snorlax:
Moves |
| Body Slam 96.162% |
| Self-Destruct 70.090% |
| Earthquake 65.079% |
| Hyper Beam 48.601% |
| Rest 48.089% |
| Reflect 39.011% |
| Counter 11.679% |
| Ice Beam 5.409% |
| Other 15.878%
--------------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Lapras:
Moves |
| Blizzard 98.974% |
| Thunderbolt 76.217% |
| Body Slam 60.143% |
| Hyper Beam 49.529% |
| Sing 48.712% |
| Rest 32.736% |
| Thunder 20.319% |
| Other 13.370%
-----------
Clefable:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.683% |
| Body Slam 92.086% |
| Blizzard 52.932% |
| Hyper Beam 50.310% |
| Psychic 47.257% |
| Rest 42.514% |
| Other 15.218%
---------------
If you count this teams moves you will see it has 39;possibilities+78% other.
Also: 8 of them are obvious, so that leaves 31 moves that aren't obvious+78% of a Mon, so let's call that 3 moves? That's 34 effective moves that opponent has to guess. Compared to the 28 effective moves the standard team makes someone need to guess.
The Cholaski team for reference if it had all of its theoretical value:
Jynx:
Moves |
| Lovely Kiss 100.000% |
| Blizzard 92.328% |
| Rest 77.794% |
| Psychic 67.826% |
| Body Slam 31.252% |
| Counter 13.772% |
| Other 17.029%
-------
Starmie:
Moves |
| Recover 99.455% |
| Thunder Wave 97.072% |
| Blizzard 59.302% |
| Thunderbolt 58.717% |
| Psychic 53.857% |
| Surf 29.902% |
| Other 1.695%
--------------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
------------------
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
------
Cloyster:
Moves |
| Clamp 99.809% |
| Explosion 98.809% |
| Blizzard 96.735% |
| Rest 89.501% |
| Other 15.146%
--------
Rhydon:
Moves |
| Earthquake 99.965% |
| Substitute 97.436% |
| Body Slam 88.829% |
| Rock Slide 64.331% |
| Rest 41.908% |
| Other 7.533%
---------
As a bonus I'll add the Gengar team I like to use:
Gengar:
Moves |
| Explosion 98.381% |
| Hypnosis 96.348% |
| Night Shade 69.658% |
| Thunderbolt 68.762% |
| Psychic 49.795% |
| Other 17.055%
------------
Cloyster:
Moves |
| Clamp 99.809% |
| Explosion 98.809% |
| Blizzard 96.735% |
| Rest 89.501% |
| Other 15.146%
--------
Chansey:
Moves |
| Soft-Boiled 99.976% |
| Thunder Wave 89.741% |
| Ice Beam 57.236% |
| Thunderbolt 44.203% |
| Seismic Toss 41.905% |
| Sing 37.720% |
| Counter 13.566% |
| Other 15.653%
----------------
Alakazam:
Moves |
| Thunder Wave 99.945% |
| Recover 99.886% |
| Psychic 99.832% |
| Seismic Toss 73.612% |
| Reflect 18.748% |
| Other 7.978%
---------
Zapdos:
Moves |
| Drill Peck 99.998% |
| Thunderbolt 99.648% |
| Thunder Wave 98.531% |
| Agility 75.602% |
| Rest 21.865% |
| Other 4.357%
-----------
Tauros:
Moves |
| Body Slam 99.934% |
| Hyper Beam 99.782% |
| Earthquake 84.264% |
| Blizzard 83.994% |
| Thunderbolt 15.638% |
| Other 16.388%
------
So the Cholaski team for comparison has only 33 moves with 73% "other", I'll convert that "other" to an extra 3 moves. So 36 moves total, with 12 of them being a no-duh, so actually 24 moves.
The bonus Gengar team has 31 moves with 77% "other", I'll convert that to 3 moves, so 34 moves total, minus what's obvious, 14 are obvious, so 20 move total.
Comparison:
Bonus team: 20 move possibility
Cholaski: 24 move possibility
Specials: 28 move possibility
This new team: 34 move possibility
(These numbers reflect how many moves each team could have in there arsenal after already accounting for obvious moves like soft boiled, or tauros body slam)
So like for reference, this team enjoys having its moves not shown, that way it can leverage it's unique traits.
.......The difference between 20's and 34 should be noticable in effect of how much more your opp has to guess as you reveal your moves to them.
On average a team in RBY will have mid 20's for total move possibilities after accounting for obvious moves, but this team is pulling 34! This means this team can use about 33% more moves than a standard team, but if the moves are unrevealed, your opponent will still have 33% less move possibility than yourself after accounting for anything obvious, from their perspective they have to respect your total possibilities.
Which means you are pulling from a pool of 33% more useful moves than someone using a standard team, the S-Tier moves are already subtracted on each side, so this would be your A and B tier moves that I am talking about, these moves have usage rates primarily between 50-90% such as Tauros blizzard, and Tauros Earthquake.
This team gets you extra turns because your opp has to figure out what move sets you have, because you have a 33% wider movepool range than a standard team does.(Intrinsically) Because it's based off of what mons you have.
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