New player would REALLY appreciate some help (standard Wifi 6 V 6)

[thekooch]

New player would REALLY appreciate some help *UPDATED* (standard Wifi 6 V 6)

No ubers, no hacks, no DT/OHKO, sleep clause, OU/BL pokemon

Special Wall

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EV’s: 252HP/ 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Nature: Modest

Surf
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
Roar

Ok so I didn’t want to go for Blissey, and try this guy out. His typing is pretty good defensively and he can also fight back with his good special attack. He sets up stealth rock and roars enemy team members to haze and rack up damage. I really want to have a balance between good defences and good offensive power. I found my last offensive team got destroyed because I had no defence.

Physical wall*

Weezing @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EV’s: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Nature: Bold

Sludge Bomb
Pain Split
Will O Wisp
Flamethrower

This guy has now been changed around to be a physical wall as it should be, and with flamethrower to take out those steels.

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Ability: Swift Swim
EV’s: 152 HP / 252 SpA / 104 Spe
Nature: Modest

Seismic Toss *
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot

I was deciding between either Ludicolo, Roserade, Tangrowth or Breloom, and couldn’t really make up my mind. Venusaur I found was too weak in both departments, offensively and defensively. It’s Ludicolo’s typing that appealed to me here and it’s wider movepool. This is meant to be a defensive special attacker. * I have removed rain dance because it was mentioned Ludicolo is the only one who benefits from it and put seismic toss instead to cover up that weakness in the team.


Baton Passer * (STARTER)

Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EV’s: 184 HP / 176 Def / 148 Spe
Nature: Impish

X – Scissor
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Roost

With his great typing he only has one weakness, which is covered by my water pokemon. Once again, good defence and high attacking power. * I have now changed Scizor to be a baton passer as suggested to throw attack boosts to dugtrio who can then sweep.

Revenge

Dugtrio @ Life Orb
Ability: Arena Trap
EV’s: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant

Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Stone Edge
Sucker Punch

Great type coverage. I love Dugtrio’s ability, making it very easy to trap and kill many annoying threats. Earthquake goes without saying and aerial ace is for Heracross. I replaced Gliscor with Dugtrio because Gliscor was not working with all the team members. *Dugtrio now receives Swords Dances from Scizor to allow him to sweep with his great speed.


Special Attacker * replacing CBMence

Mismagius @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
EV’s: 116 HP / 140 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid

Shadow Ball
HP Fighting
Thunderbolt
Destiny Bond

*Ok so I removed CB Salamence because it made my team have too many weaknesses and replaced him with Mismagius, which means my team has a combined weakness of 12 types ( i think) and another ground immunity always helps. I dont know whether to make Mismagius a Calm Mind sweeper or with Choice Specs. Thunderbolt for Gyara and Destiny bond to take any slower physical attackers trying to KO me, replace with Energy Ball?

I couldn't decide whether to replace Dugtrio with maybe Gliscor or Donphan for extra hard hitting EQ's to sweep after the baton pass. Surely a sweeper needs to be really fast?

I don’t know whether this is a well rounded team or what needs to be changed. Your help would be greatly appreciated. =)

*Updated changes

 

[Jigo]

to me, your team doesn't really fit together.

i don't think you should have a rain offense ludicolo since it's the only pokemon on your team who makes use of the rain.

weezing is a physical wall. WoW/Pain Split/Sludge Bomb and flamethrower (so you aren't walled by steels) or thunderbolt (for gyarados.) also, black sludge > leftovers.

half of your team is weak to boltbeam. a nasty plot porygonz could easily beat you i'm thinking.

you also need to watch out for infernape.

and is empoleon your lead?

 

[Prof. Hans]

i'd give the ludiculo rain dish instead of swift swim

I think your scizor would be better off with baton pass swords dance to set up dugtrio, salamence

dugtrio, and empoleon seem especially good to me.

 

[thekooch]

wow thanks a lot for the advice! and yes i was thinking of leading with empoleon :S

 

[Ambitions]

If your hell bent on leading with Emploeon you should drop SR and Roar for Agility and Hp Ground. Why? Well for one, Empleon is totally fucked by Magnezone, a Pokemon that can only be revenge killed by this team, not countered. You Agility, giving your self the ability to out speed scarfed Porygon z's and Lucarios if you use the Smogon dex recommended 216 speed evs, which allows you to bulk up Empoleon a bit with some Hp Ev's. I would throw on a Lum Berry as well so it can take a Hypnosis, I might actually try that out my self.

Other wise, I don't see why you would lead with this poke.

Great typing over all, the only type you really need to worry about wreaking you is Ice.

Speaking of which, who is taking Sp hits, and Def hits? Three Choice Bander's is extream over kill, you will be forced to switch your self to death, you would be better off only keeping Scizor CB'ed, and using Salamance as a stat uper (drop BB for DD) and replacing Dugtrio with something that can take hits, like Blissy (unoriginal I know). I mean you could use the Thunder Wave with a team as sloooww as yours. Suicune is also a consideration, since it will benefit from the rain, but his type doesn't work as well as Blissy's for this team.

Use Kingdra over Weezing. Its a much more powerfull mixed sweeper especially after you get some rain going on. Would also be able to handle Blissy with a STAB Waterfall, way better than KABBOOOMing.

 

[thekooch]

wow cool more tips, thanks a bunch. well i decided to take your advice and not use empoleon as a lead (duh) and make Scizor my lead as a baton passer. Salamence has been replaced with Mismagius for a more subtle special attacker with different weaknesses. (Mismagius was chosen over Gengar because of higher special defence)

Weezing and Empoleon are taking my Sp Def and Def hits, 2 Choice Bands removed and the Rain Dance idea has also been dropped.

Anymore suggestions?

 

[thekooch]

BUMP

 

[Jigo]

i dont think you really need ludicolo. maybe try one of your alternatives.

i like your empoleon. i just tried a new team with him and he works great. except instead of roar, i use grass knot. it helps with starmie, slowbro, and milotic.

change Scizor's ability to Swarm. since your only attack is X-Scissor (a bug move of more than 60 base power) Swarm will occasionally come in handy where Technician will never.

i would go with a cal mind sweeping Mismagius too.

and just so you know, i think you typed the wrong EV's for Weezing. it says they're in attack (should be defense right?)

 

[thekooch]

TEAM RE -EDIT - And btw thanks for all the help up to this point!!! :D

Choice Scarf (Starter)

Staraptor @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EV's: 60 HP/ 252 ATK / 196 Spe

Brave Bird
Close Combat
Double Edge
U Turn

I needed another Fighting move and thought a flying move to kill Heracross and Infernape could be useful too. I go scarf to take out Porygon z and Infernape which the team before was weak to. Staraptor can switch well into Heatran. I cant seem to figure out which two physical attackers to use.

Double Powder

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EV’s: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Nature: Bold

Energy Ball
Stun Spore
Sleep Powder
HP Fire

I couldn’t decide whether to run Tangrowth as another physical wall, double powder supporter or try and go for a sweeper based set to pair with Heatran. Either way, one of these two has to go defensive. HP Fire for the Steels, can take out Gyarados and absorb key physical hits.



Rest and Sleep Talk

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EV’s 252 HP/ 56 SpA/ 200 SpD
Nature: Modest

Rest
Sleep Talk
Lava Plume
Earth Power

This acts as another special wall and a good status absorber. If he runs into problems he can switch out to Weezing. This also counters NP Porygon Z which was mentioned before.

Special Wall

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EV’s: 252 HP/ 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Nature: Calm

Surf
Ice Beam
Stealth Rock
Grass Knot

Sets up stealth rock and is a special wall. Definitely not leading the team. Could work quite well with Staraptor and Tangrowth with the Stealth Rock support

Physical wall

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
EV’s: 196 HP/ 252 Def/ 60 SpA
Nature: Bold

Thunderbolt
Pain Split
Will O Wisp
Flamethrower.

Not really much to say about this guy, he sponges physical hits and switches between Heatran etc

Sword Dance V1

Gallade @ Expert Belt
Ability: Steadfast
EV's: 154 HP/ 252 ATK/ 104 Spe
Nature: Adamant

Swords Dance
Close Combat
Psycho Cut
Night Slash or Shadow Sneak?

I've been in a real dilemma over which phsyical attacker to use: Dugtrio, Gallade or Scizor, each have their advantages for this team. I thought because Staraptor could use Bug moves, it would make Scizor semi redundant, so I went with Gallade to get more coverage. Should he be replaced?

Note: I think Psychic, Ghost, and Fighting pokemon may cause some problems


I’ve been changing this team round a lot over the past few days and I think I’m nearly there, but maybe some extra suggestions to make this team complete would REALLY REALLY be appreciated. Thanks =D

 

[Lawman]

There is an edit button here; unlike other forums you can edit your posts. And why did you make such drastic changes to your team, if you don't mind me asking? It is essentially a whole other team.

The only problem I see with this team at the moment is the failure to be able to stop Deoxys-E and Mixcario. Garchomp could cause some problems as well. I would put Vaporeon or even Milotic in place of Empoleon. Both take hits very well on either side of the spectrum, and Empoleon isn't doing much for your team except for setting up Stealth Tocks, which, though can help several teams, this team isn't offensively based enough to take full advantage of that with your only real offensive threats being Staraptor and Gallade.

I personally don't like Weezing on this team. I haven't used/battled him recently, so he might work for you, but you might want to consider another wall instead.

Staraptor isn't exactly the best lead out there. I would at least put U-turn on it, so you can switch out from problem pokemon and still do some damage. Just watch out for both faster scarf leads, the oh so common Gyarados with is own Intimidate, and Bronzong, who can survive a Close Combat and hit your weakened Staraptor with a powerful Gyro Ball.

Anyways, I hope you consider some of my thoughts and advice. Good luck with your team.