New team - looking for constructive criticism

Gorphish

Gorphish

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Galvantula w/ Focus Sash​

Timid, Compoundeyes

252 SPA, 252 SPE, 6 HP

* Sticky Web
* Bug Buzz
* Thunder
* Volt Switch

Galvantula will be my lead, whose role is to set up a sticky web then either volt switch out or go on to sweep. Focus sash is to ensure sticky web going up, bug buzz for STAB and thunder is boosted to 91% accuracy with compound eyes and is extremely powerful.

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Excadrill w/ Assault Vest

Jolly, Mold Breaker

252 ATT, 252 SPE, 6 SPD

* Earthquake
* Rock Slide
* Iron Head/Shadow Claw
* Rapid Spin

My spinner. Moveset is designed to take out spinblockers and possibly go on to sweep. Has some ridiculously powerful STAB in earthquake and Iron head and rock slide is there to take out that pesky priority bird. Was considering shadow claw over iron head for better coverage on spinblockers.

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Gengar w/ Black Sludge

Timid, Levitate

252 SPA, 252 SPE, 6 SPD

* Shadow Ball
* Focus Blast
* Giga Drain/Sludge Wave
* Substitute

Aim is to try and set up a substitute and then sweep. Shadow Ball and Focus Blast provides perfect neutral coverage. Not sure wether I should have sludge wave in to deal with fairies as I don't have a huge amount of options or to go with Giga Drain so I can recover health behind the sub.

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Milotic w/ Leftovers

Bold, Marvel Scale

252 HP, 252 DEF, 6 SPE

* Ice Beam
* Scald
* Recover
* Dragon Tail

My physical tank and a not so common pokemon that I really wanted to use. Scald gives good STAB and provides burns, Ice Beam is to take out dragons and grass types. Dragon tail is so I can remove things that may wall me/pose a large threat and recover is well, for recovery...


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Dragonite w/ Weakness Policy

Adamant, Marvel Scale

252 ATT, 252 SPE, 6HP

* Dragon Dance
* Dragon Claw
* Fire Punch
* Earthquake

Aim is to get a free switch, set up a DD and hopefully activate my weakness policy. From there he outspeeds most unboosted mons and is so ridiculously powerful that he'll (hopefully) OHKO just about everything. I went with Dragon Claw as I don't want to have to switch out due to Outrage confusion and lose my boosts. Fire Punch and Earthquake for coverage.

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Scizor w/Scizorite

Adamant, Technician

252 HP, 252 ATT, 6 SPD

* Swords Dance
* Bullet Punch
* U-turn/Bug Bite
* Roost

Aim is to set up a SD then just tear everything apart. Bullet Punch for STAB, priority and dealing with fairies, Roost as he's very bulky and tough to take down bar a fire attack. Wasn't sure whether I should go U-turn or Bug Bite as a slow turn would be nice for switching dragonite in but would be less powerful and would lose my SD boosts.







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It's multiscale not marvel scale on dnite also I see some speed creeping. In the current meta I have not seen a lot if any milotic so I'd recommend puttin the final Evs in special defense rather than speed no to mention making excadrill more bulky to maximize the effectiveness of the assault vest. Overall a decent team though.
 
Using defog on scizor would be better than rapid spin excadrill
This would make sure you dont get spin blocked and you. An always get hazrds away for the dragonite sweep
Although you want to use scizor as a swords dance sweeper rapid spin should probably do

Also always use bug bite on scizor because you dontwant to have to uturn out after 2 swords dances
Besideds that very good team
 
unklewiggles said:
Using defog on scizor would be better than rapid spin excadrill
This would make sure you dont get spin blocked and you. An always get hazrds away for the dragonite sweep
Although you want to use scizor as a swords dance sweeper rapid spin should probably do

Also always use bug bite on scizor because you dontwant to have to uturn out after 2 swords dances
Besideds that very good team
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I don't think i'll go for defog as i've already got RS on my Excadrill and don't want to get rid of my Sticky Web. Definitely going for bug bite though, thanks!
 
Ranger Mike said:
It's multiscale not marvel scale on dnite also I see some speed creeping. In the current meta I have not seen a lot if any milotic so I'd recommend puttin the final Evs in special defense rather than speed no to mention making excadrill more bulky to maximize the effectiveness of the assault vest. Overall a decent team though.
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Ok, will do. Would you recommend taking any more out of HP to throw into SPD or just stick with the 6. Also, I was pretty unsure with the EV's for Excadrill. Should I take them out of HP or Attack? Thanks :)
 
After running a milotic for good results, I have some tips for running the Milotic. I think the EV's are fine, but I suggest switching Ice Beam and Recover for Rest and Sleep Talk. I can tell right now no one, minus Galvantula, wants to take a burn, whether it's cutting your attack, or preventing stalling, in Gengar's case. Rest+Sleep Talk can not only heal all of your health up guaranteed, this allows Milotic to act as a status absorber, which your team needs. Scald and Dragon Tail already hit most Pokemon in the tier well, so Sleep Talk works perfectly fine.

That is all
 
Is assault Vest Excadrill a thing these days? Cause that shit would not fly on wi-fi. Ttar is a better vest-user than Excadrill.

If you're running sticky web and you're adamant about playing off of that, I think you could actually run Adamant on the Excadrill. I am pretty sure that you make all of the same speed benchmarks. <--citation needed

This is up to personal preference but my recommendation is Sludge Wave on Gengar. That extra stab is useful in a pinch and Giga drain is really only useful for Gastrodon. Good luck with Focus Miss. I hate having to use that move, but I feel that it is necessary here.
 
yes vest excadrill is a thing and i argue that goodra is the best user but thats for another day, giga drain also increases gengars longevity.
 
Fixes and Stixes...
Hi I'm Tommy, whats your Name :] Okay you said CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM so... here it goes. (And if this is an In Game Team... then please get these pkmn somehow)

VVV Try Some New Sets VVV
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Excadrill (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
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Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earthquake
- Synthesis

(You can run this Venusaur set or full Hp and SpAtk set, and DON'T put Sludge Bomb on it, as your team should know how a few things to deal with Faries)

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Add a Choice Band, Good Ol' Physical Based U-Turn

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Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- U-turn
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Kyurem-Black @ Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Spd / 200 SAtk / 56 HP
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Ice Beam
- Fusion Bolt
- Earth Power

(The only elemental weakness now is the fire weakness but if you keep Milotic healthy enough you should be alright... I hope)
VVV CRITICISM TIME VVV:mad:
(Any reason your running Assualt Vest on Excadrill instead of Lefties/Balloon, is that a Bulky Excadrill... doesn't look like it? Heres another thing, to me Weakness Policy Dragonite is kind of redundant especially when you battle the more experienced players, they will just U-Turn or Knock Off your WP as you D-Dance which kinda just screws over your Dragonite once they bring in an easy scarf counter or revenge killer... why are you guys even still using D-Dance Dragonite if it isn't even Jolly, speed for it madders over power. Infact... Choice Band E-Speed Dragonite may prove to be most helpful as it and Bullet Punch are nice priority moves. I also noticed your lack of SR which is kind of important since your team seems pretty offensive and forces many switches... so i would say replace Excadrill's Rock Slide with Steal Rocks and you can still counter Talonflame with Milotic... and i am pretty sure Gengar doesn't learn Sludge Wave... and running GigaDrain on Gengar isn't gonna help your Bulky Water type problem... run Mega Venasuar at the least as it can help your weakness to AV Conkeldurr a lot better than Gengar because it Mega Venusaur eats up Ice Punches and isn't effected by Knock Off as well as resisting its other fighting stabs. Last thing is that Galvantula, your team doesn't seem to even benefit from Sticky Web much as so i would suggest replacing it with a Thundurus Incarnate as it provides volt turn synergy once you turn your Scizor into a Choice Banded one even though bulky Mega Scizor was nice for your team you weren't running any specific bulk into other than HP so its not a loss really... ooops i liediliedielololol, that wasn't my last thing i was gonna say. You have a pretty severe Mega Venusaur weakness now, i really recommend the change of Dragonite to Kyurem-B or KyuB i like to say... don't say anything Chimpact i know i called it that first.... lol i'm just kidding. I hope you accept these changes and let others guide you to make these new changes even better.)
 
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i feel that set is rather outclassed by rather kyurem just kyurem although it doesnt get fusion bolt it has a higher spa but i guess kyurem b can work but it should be physical always imo
 
TheTommy10200 said:
Fixes and Stixes...
Hi I'm Tommy, whats your Name :] Okay you said CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM so... here it goes. (And if this is an In Game Team... then please get these pkmn somehow)

VVV Try Some New Sets VVV
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Excadrill (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
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Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SDef
Relaxed Nature
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earthquake
- Synthesis

(You can run this Venusaur set or full Hp and SpAtk set, and DON'T put Sludge Bomb on it, as your team should know how a few things to deal with Faries)

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+
choiceband.png

Add a Choice Band, Good Ol' Physical Based U-Turn

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Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- U-turn
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Kyurem-Black @ Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Spd / 200 SAtk / 56 HP
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Ice Beam
- Fusion Bolt
- Earth Power

(The only elemental weakness now is the fire weakness but if you keep Milotic healthy enough you should be alright... I hope)
VVV CRITICISM TIME VVV:mad:
(Any reason your running Assualt Vest on Excadrill instead of Lefties/Balloon, is that a Bulky Excadrill... doesn't look like it? Heres another thing, to me Weakness Policy Dragonite is kind of redundant especially when you battle the more experienced players, they will just U-Turn or Knock Off your WP as you D-Dance which kinda just screws over your Dragonite once they bring in an easy scarf counter or revenge killer... why are you guys even still using D-Dance Dragonite if it isn't even Jolly, speed for it madders over power. Infact... Choice Band E-Speed Dragonite may prove to be most helpful as it and Bullet Punch are nice priority moves. I also noticed your lack of SR which is kind of important since your team seems pretty offensive and forces many switches... so i would say replace Excadrill's Rock Slide with Steal Rocks and you can still counter Talonflame with Milotic... and i am pretty sure Gengar doesn't learn Sludge Wave... and running GigaDrain on Gengar isn't gonna help your Bulky Water type problem... run Mega Venasuar at the least as it can help your weakness to AV Conkeldurr a lot better than Gengar because it Mega Venusaur eats up Ice Punches and isn't effected by Knock Off as well as resisting its other fighting stabs. Last thing is that Galvantula, your team doesn't seem to even benefit from Sticky Web much as so i would suggest replacing it with a Thundurus Incarnate as it provides volt turn synergy once you turn your Scizor into a Choice Banded one even though bulky Mega Scizor was nice for your team you weren't running any specific bulk into other than HP so its not a loss really... ooops i liediliedielololol, that wasn't my last thing i was gonna say. You have a pretty severe Mega Venusaur weakness now, i really recommend the change of Dragonite to Kyurem-B or KyuB i like to say... don't say anything Chimpact i know i called it that first.... lol i'm just kidding. I hope you accept these changes and let others guide you to make these new changes even better.)
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Thanks for the help. Honestly, I won't change to the legendaries as I don't particularly like using them, I just don''t find it fun, and I want to make it buildable in-game. Running M-Venusaur is something that I'd definitely change, however that would leave me with 3 pokemon that use Special Attack, 2 of which have EV's invested in defense and the other is a lead which I don't expect to last too long and I think I would get walled by a lot of physical mons. I would be willing to swap out either Dragonite or Scizor though, just not sure what for. Will change Excadrill's item to an Air Balloon definitely.
 
SmokingBomber465 said:
Is assault Vest Excadrill a thing these days? Cause that shit would not fly on wi-fi. Ttar is a better vest-user than Excadrill.

If you're running sticky web and you're adamant about playing off of that, I think you could actually run Adamant on the Excadrill. I am pretty sure that you make all of the same speed benchmarks. <--citation needed

This is up to personal preference but my recommendation is Sludge Wave on Gengar. That extra stab is useful in a pinch and Giga drain is really only useful for Gastrodon. Good luck with Focus Miss. I hate having to use that move, but I feel that it is necessary here.
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Good point with Excadrill, will change that up and will definitely go with Sludge Wave on Gengar if I use him
 
daedalus1103 said:
After running a milotic for good results, I have some tips for running the Milotic. I think the EV's are fine, but I suggest switching Ice Beam and Recover for Rest and Sleep Talk. I can tell right now no one, minus Galvantula, wants to take a burn, whether it's cutting your attack, or preventing stalling, in Gengar's case. Rest+Sleep Talk can not only heal all of your health up guaranteed, this allows Milotic to act as a status absorber, which your team needs. Scald and Dragon Tail already hit most Pokemon in the tier well, so Sleep Talk works perfectly fine.

That is all
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Ok, haven't considered that really. Will try a couple of matches with both sets and see how it ends up. Seems like a good idea, thanks!
 
I would suggest putting Superpower over U-Turn/Bug Bite, as it prevents Scizor from being walled entirely by a steel type. If you were to set up a Swords Dance, chances are your opponent will switch to a steel type, walling you and forcing you to switch. Superpower prevents that. Although the stat decreases hurt, you will still have +1 after a Swords Dance, which is enough to puncture things with Bullet Punch. Plus, Bug Bite generally has poor coverage and U-Turn is counter productive with Swords Dance.
 
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I used to run a Res-talk Milotic and I remember it was pretty beastly and hard to take down--but that it couldn't ever really do much. It lacked the reliability of something like snorlax or blissey and it lacked the strength of crocune.

I would actually argue that milotic makes a fine burn-absorber already given recover, leftovers, and marvel scale.

If you're looking for a burn absorber, use clefable with magic guard because it is THE best. You could even run aromatherapy on it with clefable.

However:

I have to disagree with fat daedalus outright about the burn--and I do not mean this disrespectfully. His notes are right--but only for a different team than this. This isn't a stall team and there are only three pokemon that care about the burn: Excadrill, Dragonite, and Scizor. Noone else cares about the attack drop and any notes about the gradual weakening of HP are just examples of imagined horrors.


Not every team needs to run 2xwall, 2xsweeper, 1xsetup, 1xstatus. That is...closed-minded. The success of this team will depend entirely on the skills of the player...as well as how efficiently it can get rid of Talonflame and Aegislash (because I think these two might be threats to your current squad).

tl;dr Don't run restalk milotic, don't be so paranoid about status--just protect that Dragonite--she will be doing all the sweeping (I feel).
 
Gorphish said:
Thanks for the help. Honestly, I won't change to the legendaries as I don't particularly like using them, I just don''t find it fun, and I want to make it buildable in-game. Running M-Venusaur is something that I'd definitely change, however that would leave me with 3 pokemon that use Special Attack, 2 of which have EV's invested in defense and the other is a lead which I don't expect to last too long and I think I would get walled by a lot of physical mons. I would be willing to swap out either Dragonite or Scizor though, just not sure what for. Will change Excadrill's item to an Air Balloon definitely.
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This is smogon, some Legandaries aren't good enough for Ubers and Kyu-B is in UU i'm sure, may be different now though.
 
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