No.... A scarfmie?

tarheels07

Hey everybody, I have been testing out a choice scarf starmie on shoddy and it has been working wonders for me. I need some feedback.

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Starmie@ Choice Scarf
Modest
102 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 156 Spd

Surf
Ice Beam
Hidden Power (Fighting)
Thunderbolt

This little star can revenge kill many, many things. It takes out Garchomp, Salamence, Infernape, Gyarados, and even the odd Weavile or two. The EV's given outspeed an outraging Revengechomp, as well as max speed Weavile. This thing can OHKO both with Ice Beam and Hidden Power. Can you guys please give me some advice and see if I'm really onto something, or if I'm forgetting something major.
 
What do you do about a Weavile or a Tyranitar or a Heracross that switches in on Ice Beam/Thunderbolt? Giving up Recover really weakens Starmie, as does giving up Leftovers.
 
you don't need HP fighting for Weavile and Surf does more than HP Fighting on Tyranitar.

I have never used this, but I saw a couple on Shoddy and it 2hko'd my weavile when I tried to Pursuit it, it is really nice.
 
Your Starmie can't switch in either:

Damage: 290 - 341
Damage: 86.31% - 101.49%

Straight from Metalkid's calc using your EVs and Max Atk Adamant Garchomp Outrage.

Yeah, Steels are the way to stop ScarfChomp, not something that can be OHKO'd by it.
 
Didn't the original post specifically say REVENGE killing it? Revenge-killer aren't supposed to switch in on anything. You don't take any hit at all when you switch it in after something gets killed.
 
Well for that one, i meant bulkier versions switching into scarfgarchomp. I was refering to post #1 where he was talking about my scarfmie being countered.

My point was that every revenge killer is obviously going to be countered due to lack of brute force.
 
This isn't anything new. as said many times, across many topics, slapping a choice scarf on a pokemon does not create a new, nor an original set.

Especially when you have a pokemon like starmie that is typically faster than enough pokemon anyways, that it'd rather have a nice pair of Specs if you decide to Choice it, and some leftovers on an expert belt if it doesnt.

EDIT: also, aside from weavile, starmie definitely outspeeds everything on that list, barring a choice scarf (and only garchomp are used to carrying that)
 
StrangerDanger said:
This isn't anything new. as said many times, across many topics, slapping a choice scarf on a pokemon does not create a new, nor an original set.

Especially when you have a pokemon like starmie that is typically faster than enough pokemon anyways, that it'd rather have a nice pair of Specs if you decide to Choice it, and some leftovers on an expert belt if it doesnt.
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However, it does change Starmie's purpose. Normally it's used as a Bulky Rapid Spinner, with Thunderbolt or Ice Beam stuck on it to counter Gyarados and Garchomp. This set, however, was created with the sole intention of revenge-killing.
 
StrangerDanger said:
This isn't anything new. as said many times, across many topics, slapping a choice scarf on a pokemon does not create a new, nor an original set.

Especially when you have a pokemon like starmie that is typically faster than enough pokemon anyways, that it'd rather have a nice pair of Specs if you decide to Choice it, and some leftovers on an expert belt if it doesnt.

EDIT: also, aside from weavile, starmie definitely outspeeds everything on that list, barring a choice scarf (and only garchomp are used to carrying that)
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But, its so fun acting like your retarded and revenge killing a weavile after they "LOLZ" at you like 5 times and try to nightslash/pursuit you. Also, this is a fail proof way to kill of outraging choice scarf chomp.

EDIT: Why does slapping scarf on chomp count as a new set?
 
Starmie is 'normally' used for quite a different amount of things though.

Other than beating scarfchomp, which can be done through resistances/walls alone, Normal starmies with expert belts or SpecStar has the exact same purpose as this does, posing more of a threat to those pokemon he listed than the scarf set.

What does a scarf do? It makes you fast. Tell me one operator who will leave their Garchomp/Infernape/Salamence/Gyarados (Slower) on a normal starmie? if Starmie is already faster than all of these things, then putting a scarf on it is pointless, and will be met with a switch to a blissey/resistance everytime, whereas with Specs, you can at least do more damage/possibly KO an incoming threat over having your star leave with its points between its legs.

tarheels07 said:
But, its so fun acting like your retarded and revenge killing a weavile after they "LOLZ" at you like 5 times and try to nightslash/pursuit you. Also, this is a fail proof way to kill of outraging choice scarf chomp.

EDIT: Why does slapping scarf on chomp count as a new set?
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Garchomp is slow. Not slow on average mind you, but slower than Weavile and Starmie, who can wreck it. Putting a choice scarf on him makes him considerably faster, and therefore, a threat to his common counters. Putting a choice scarf on starmie however, who is already faster than everything he is trying to kill, and does not need to be faster already, is not a new set.

Ignore the fact that most weavile have Focus sash and will kill you anyways, or that if it gets in on your unboosted, resisted attack, it may live and KO you anyways and i see your point.

While it does provide a way to stop a choice scarf outraging garchomp, the point is, there are so many different things that handle that, there's no reason to limit the potential of something as powerful as Starmie just to handle it, when you could spam roost with Skarmory/Gliscor, or throw a Cresselia out there and counter it.
 
Well, I see your point, but just hidden power on the switch and either KO an incoming weavile or hit it again if it has sash. Its just a way to not be pursuited to death by weavile, I guess.

EDIT: I just find it so useful. I just killed yet another person who sends in someone scarfed to get KO'ed by starmie.

I mean, with all these random choice scarfers running around, you can never be to safe, you do not know how many times I say, "your not the only scarf around here"
 
As StrangerDanger said: choice scarf =/= new set. Read stickies. Besides, isn't it going to be rather obvious that your starmie is scarfed after you've brought it in to revenge mr scarfchomp/weavile/whoever? after you've shown your hand just by that action you're working with 328 special attack which hardly any power for a choice pokemon in this metagame, and certainly won't do anything more than scratch cresselia/blissey/dusknoir or some other reasonably durable tank.
 
Lol, notice I said " act retarded"... (You do not know how greedy people get.)

All joking aside, I guess that it might not be the best idea in the world, but I lack a revenge killer and this works for me.

Its even funnier when someone switches in something scarfed to kill you, only to get KO'ed in return
 
A lot of people don't seem to grasp the concept of revenge killing. You don't revenge kill anything with starmie except for a garchomp stuck in outrage. Every other pekemon will just switch out in the face of a starmie anyway and you'll find yourself head to head with a blissey faster than you can say "walled". The exception here may be weavile because it thinks it's faster and can pursuit/night slash but that's really all your starmie is gonna surprise.

On top of that, starmie has 115 base speed which is already faster than the majority of the OU metagame. Its base 100 special attack however is more mediocre compared to some of the other special attackers out there like gengar, zam etc. Which is why boosting its special attack is probably more useful.

However, as it stands, sticking a scarf on just about any sweeping pokemon gives you the surprise factor because things that assume they are faster than it are suddenly not. But ultimately, for something that's already so fast, it ends up surprising few pokemon making its use rather limited.
 
StrangerDanger said:
This isn't anything new. as said many times, across many topics, slapping a choice scarf on a pokemon does not create a new, nor an original set.
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Your point being? He's not trying to claim props for it. He posted a set that he wants people to give feedback on, not the concept of a Choice Scarf Starmie.
 
sa17dk said:
How does Starmie revenge kill anything without having the opponent just switch out?
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POINT! (shoots left)

Like before Scarf is surprising , but soon the metagame is going to have to get usd to it, like Cress owning and Rhyperior sucking. It's just that you have to look at the most beneficial thing to give to a poke the make them the best. Why people enjoy gimmicky sets when they can fail so hard compared to the smart set is beyond me.

Starmie has been one of my faves since our days of RBY, yet I alwys see a Ra-pidS-pinn-er Shiny Boltbeam Starmie when I go on Shoddy. Maybe your Starmie works, i don't know, I haven't tried it, but if it works for you, then good job thinking outside the box.


(WTF did I just type...)
 
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