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Metagame np: Stage 22: HOT [Rotom-H Suspect]

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Council has opted to suspect Rotom-H for the first time in its long PU tenure this generation, with large council support and a decent jump in unhealthiness ranking from community surveys showing it could be too hot to handle. Rotom-H has been a staple pokemon in PU for most of the generation with a very strong core gameplan. It will often boost with Nasty Plot before firing off powerful Overheats that most resists cannot continue coming into long-term, or Volt Switching into a partner. Alongside Pain Split, Rotom-H finds itself able to 1v1 bulkier threats or get large amounts of chip on pokemon like Snorlax, Chansey, or Rhydon. With Terastalization at its disposal, Rotom-H is able to muscle through Rhydon, its best check easily if it already gets boosted early. On top of this, Rotom-H is also able to opt for Will-o-Wisp sets that take advantage of incoming Volt Switch immunes and weaken them for its teammates. Between these two sets, Rotom-H is able to consistently get progress vs most teams in the tier, even with sturdy Ground-types like Rhydon and Mudsdale. With the ability to, at times muscle through, or cripple the best checks it has in Ground-types Rotom-Heat uniquely warps the builder around it. Those in favor of a ban would argue it makes the builder worse, with checks to both sets being limited to either Ground-types like Rhydon, or pokemon that tend to be more passive like Snorlax, Lanturn, and Chansey.

On the flip side, Rotom-H is still a fairly average pokemon individually. It is very susceptible to revenging by most common mid speed breakers or Choice Scarf users like Pawmot, Tauros-Paldea-Blaze, Heracross, and Bruxish. Rotom-Heat also loses a lot of its strength once the opponent knows which set it is using. Will-o-Wisp sets tend to struggle into opposing setup like Calm Mind Florges or Curse Snorlax, while Nasty Plot can be forced out by Rhydon. Other pokemon as well like Volt Absorb Lanturn or Chansey can snuff out either set, with the former blocking pivoting options and the latter packing Heal Bell to help teammates vs Will-o-Wisp sets. Rotom-H also usually needs to boost before doing meaningful damage, which leaves it susceptible to Encore from Salazzle or Delphox.


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Initially, I plan to vote do not ban. Rotom has the excellent combination of wisp + volt switch, which can punish pokemon such as rhydon that lack rest or other support. On the flip side, Rotom's immediate damage output is just okay, meaning that pokemon such as cm Florges and Slowbro-g are capable of interfering with wisp sets. Nasty Plot sets are good, but run the risk of getting stuffed out by Rhydon, Snorlax, etc. Rotom is very good at trading, but it doesn't reliably heal and it can be outsped by breakers such as Pawmot. Rotom is good at punishing the most frequently used team structures (bulky offense, some bulky balances), but is average against fat and many hyper offense teams.

Rotom is great at setting up its teammates, especially if they can enter against the targets that it burns. Fortunately, many its defensive switch ins can either pivot out themselves (slow Heattom, Lanturn), or are unsafe opportunities for heracross and pawmot (unburnt Rhydon, Slowbro). Many offensive picks such as Hoopa and Delphox are not threatened with a ko, and can use this as an opportunity to setup or attack. The most important thing is that Rotom's health is finite and its speed tier useful but not really fast. It forces damage on slow breakers, but usually needs to run from the fast ones.

I think Rotom's presence is helpful to pressure teams that use slow breakers, especially heracross, and teams that don't output offensive pressure in general. Rotom won't win by itself, but it provides a valuable, albeit interruptable, resource that pressures some of the best team structures in the metagame. Even in games when Rotom is walled out or runs out of health, it provides consistent value that gives its teams playable matchups. To me, rotom is an excellent pokemon that is consistently not broken.
 
I'm conflicted about this suspect, still not sure Heatom is a problem right now, but ultimately I think the only correct decision for me is to vote BAN. I already talked a lot about Heatom, I was one of the main voices advocating for its ban for like.. a year, even making my anti-Heatom activism a running gag. I've also made it clear that right now, in this specific meta, I do not think Heatom is that restrictive. I also think it's at a lower point, because people adapted and the rest of the meta is forcing you less to play mons it abuses anymore, being more offensive, more flexible with pivots and such.

However, I do not think the angle should be about whether or not "is it easy to fit a Heatom counter in a team?" or "is it okay to be forced to play these counters?", but more "is it easy to play around Heatom in a vacuum, and especially if you do not have one of the few dedicated counters?". To that question, I think the answer is no. Let's adress a few points before.

There's two main game paths against Heatom, to simplify :
- If you go for the offensive route, Heatom should be generally fine. It doesn't punish you for running passive grounds and it doesn't have room to accomplish its gameplan long term. Heatom might even have to put itself into undesirable positions due to Overheat drawback, ability to be played around with Sub and such. You just pressure it and if you happen to give it a free turn, the only potential problematic aspect for these teams is getting one of your important mons burnt, like Mudsdale or Rhydon. I think we have enough means to play around that, especially because each set has shortcomings, but it's not always easy and could be considered a bit unhealthy. This guessing game and luring aspect is one of the consequences of a larger problem, that I do not think is too bad for offensive teams and is better illustrated against bulkier teams.
- If you go for a bulkier route (mainly Balance but also BO in some cases), you just accept having to run specific cores or being destroyed by Heatom. If you want to play Palossand, for example, you will be faced with a lot of issues due to passivity, but Heatom is the only one that's actually punishing you this hard, because to beat it you have to rely on having one of the key long term answers, or try to play around its limitations with a lot of guessing games and potential sacking, which is unreliable at best. People usually sum up these counters to Lanturn or Rhydon, sometimes slow Heatom is added (but I think it's very hard to justify nowadays), I want to include stuff like CM Florges, AV Gbro and Snorlax which are more susceptible to Volt Switch but are still abusing Heatom structures and help a lot in general. While I think it's enough counterplay, in reality it's not as easy as you'd think.

That's the thing, Heatom's centralization is revolving around these key mons. This is extremely abusable, and has been what a lot of Heatom teams try to do. You don't play around Heatom specifically, you play around a team designed to make Heatom good. Type spam is one of the first aspects that come to mind, Lazzle + Heatom, Pawmot + Heatom, Kilowattrel + Heatom, they're all common enough cores that are either designed to overwhelm and lure the answer for the other, or try to abuse the lack of an answer forced by the other, or even abuse answers forced by the other. You can also think of mons like Gbro (especially with Toxic) or Bombirdier which are especially good partners to Heatom and force Rhydon and Lanturn to be crippled. Because yes, Rhydon, as good as it is, can be chipped relatively easily, and Lanturn is a mon that can't just be tasked to deal with one mon and will have to take a few hits to do its pivoting job.
This core dynamic is literally the basis of Pokémon, why would it be problematic for Heatom specifically? Because it's the only mon that is able to punish you this hard if you lose your answer, thanks to the ability to sustain itself throughout the game, to abuse a lot of mons who don't do much to it or are pressured due to its typing, to play around would-be-answers via Volt Switch, and simultaneously force a potential crucial burn on something when you already have to play around the dangerous NP set. No other mon has this ability to mandate a counter and make your life hell if you lose it, and thus no other mon can put this much pressure on answers just by its existence. Other mid speed balance breakers like Tatsugiri, Braviary-Hisui, Band/SD Brux, Specs Hyph/Hoopa or Heracross have other limitations that don't allow them to pressure teams throughout the game and do not rely on sole counters, it's more about cores and positiniong. They can't play long term, they have way less defensive utility, they're less punishing to a degree. Even something like Hariyama who is a long term balance breaker with a similar ability to regen itself and pressure counters can be played around more, because it has a worse typing and less reliable regen (and also much worse speed), same for something like NP Mesprit (arguably closest thing to NP Heatom) who is fine enough to deal with because it has weak moves, is super tera reliant and misses on important speed benchmarks that Heatom has.

So why doesn't Heatom win more games if it's really broken/unhealthy? First, it's mainly a builder nightmare, that we've accepted for too long. Heatom doesn't especially shine in practice, because people are prepared too much for it or just play more offensive stuff. While BOs are ultimately better in this meta (I don't think anyone would disagree), I genuinely think it would make the tier better to get rid of Heatom, because it would help a lot for tier variety and allow for bulkier teams to breathe a bit more, it's not like we don't have tons of ways to break these with more strategic/less toxic gameplans.
Second, Heatom is a early/mid game merchant most of the time. Either because its presence is pressuring you to keep your checks healthy, or because it will make a few key plays that will determine the outcome of the game later. Burning your Rhydon so it doesn't do anything the rest of the game, getting an important kill early because it got an NP on a passive mon... I don't think it's really about losing or winning, but about how much pressure it puts, and how it can make a few unhealthy mindgames.
Even if you don't feel like Heatom is too much in game (which I could understand, it can feel disappointing and hard to make work in practice when teams are prepared), you can't deny the impact it has on builder. It's hard to account for it consistently, it's close to impossible to just proof your build to avoid giving it free turns and sometimes you just have to give up and cope with a few tera dragons here and there (which don't actually work most of the time).

Nevertheless, I want to mention that Heatom can also be a positive presence in some ways : it has a cool typing to cover a lot of mons in the tier that would otherwise be much harder to beat. Shaymin, Atales, Venu, Avalugg-Hisui are the main ones, but you can also think of it as a versatile tool that can be used as a general mid speed pivot while blanket checking a few stuff along the way, or trade with tera. I theoretically like long term balance breakers with Pain Split, but Heatom has just the right combination to be too much in general. I can't deny I'm a bit afraid of the consequences of banning it, but it should be fine and it shouldn't be a factor for this decision.
So my final answer is to vote BAN, because Heatom is a centralizing, unhealthy and strong/broken presence both in builder and in game in a way you can't always play around. And while I do not think Heatom is at its prime right now (it was more broken in previous metagames imo), I think Heatom has proven to be unhealthy throughout all of modern PU's existence, in a way it will keep doing in future metagames.
 
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IMO Rotom-Heat isn't strong enough to be broken. Average stats, wisp vs NP dilemma, non ideal stab that reduces spa are what make it manageable. The most common checks and counters have already been talked about in this thread, but also anything with a bit of spedef like hoopa, delphox, hariyama, av users like glowbro or even any fire type (they usually punish 3/4 of rotom's moveset, even lock it into NP in salazzle and delphox case) make it easier to deal with.

I don't think it gets as many free switch in as it seems... its staying power is a bit overestimated. It is only a problem if your team is too passive with a bunch of full HP walls that can't do much damage or you play too passively vs it (don't want to punish wisp/pain split with a prediction etc). Like for example aloslash will knock it, florges can drop spa or set up cm, wo chien is now run often with a choice, even ice types like frosmoth/alotales can just set up something and punish overheat drops. Idk, I don't think it's that bad of an influence compared to other mon in the tier that lack counterplay like bruxish, pawmot, glowbro etc and are also a "building nightmare".

So I'll probably vote do not ban.
 
PU has the unfortunate problem of having too many strong threats but none single Pokémon broken enough to be worthy of a straightforward ban. This situation leads to burnout for builders as building becomes more straining and less enjoyable. This problem was already borderline but post shifts it’s gotten quite bad. I know I’m not alone in sharing this opinion as I’ve had discussions with multiple people about this. This is especially worthwhile to bring attention to with rises being frozen now.

Rotom-Heat is not ban worthy as a standalone Pokemon in a vacuum. However, it does become worthy of ban given its great restrictive nature in the builder in the context of a tier that has other powerful threats such as Pawmot, Araquanid, Hoopa, strong calm minders with Tera, Emboar, Zoroark, Golurk, and so on.

I do hope we ban heat, and then go on to look at one or two more Pokemon after that to rectify the tier. I do think Araquanid is a serious issue needed to be looked at. It’s kind of hard to feel the pulse on exactly which Pokemon exacerbate this problem, but we can let the post rotom-heat meta tell us. This is about what we can do aside from unfreezing rises.
 
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I think rotom isn't really broken but feels unhealthy in the current metagame, even if its role mainly is just pivoting it's a great OTP. Currently the metagame feels slightly stifled since our shifts have been slower and lean more bulkier, instead of finding more counters to most good threats we gained a few checks instead. While this isn't a bad thing on paper I feel rotom is a good target to focus on before proceeding further, as it is uniquely one of the most demanding mons in builder to check since it circumvents type matchups pretty well even without tera. I'll be voting ban since I think the tier's more solid without it, and it gives more room for balance to shift offensively and defensively when a good number of resources are devoted to it on most teams, moreso than other pokemon (kinda locked into rhydon for grounds that check it etc.). I think there will be more freedom if it goes which gives more grace when dealing with other pokemon people are high on currently (or shine the light on the troublemakers the most).
 
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Rotom-H isn't really broken but has an unhealthy impact on the tier. I was strongly against banning Rotom-H in the past, but I've changed my mind since the July shifts. While I agree with most of Platum's post, I disagree with the point about Rotom-H being at a lower point right now than in the past. It has only gotten better since the July shifts, in my opinion, mostly because Kilowattrel dropped back into the tier. On one hand, it hard counters Kilowattrel, giving it even more utility, and on the other hand, it pairs really well with Kilowattrel to pressure their usual checks. Its two main sets also have noticeably different counterplay, and most of the time you can't tell which set it's running on preview. A wrong switch can easily set you back a lot; i.e. Rhydon into WoW or Glowbro into NP. Similarly, most teams with a non-Rhydon Ground type are almost always fighting an uphill battle against NP sets. Lanturn is the most reliable switch-in to both sets, but even that can lose to NP with Tera if the cards are played right. The speed tier isn't anything special, but it still outspeeds Tatsugiri, Bombirdier, Skuntank, and the 295s, so the offensive counterplay that can actually RK it is limited nonetheless. I intend to vote ban when I get reqs.
 
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Heattom not really broken but it force most team prep even overprep it, it have huge influence for teambuilding especially some palo/mud/sandaconda team, like predict wisp/np set, it even force some people run lanturn---one awful pokemon in most time but hard counter+pivot heattom.

People can use slow pivot+breaker, but heattom so fast, it also limited breaker choice, like hera/tatsugiri are slower than heattom so heattom limit them break more, and more strong breaker not flexable like heattom.

Overall i agree platum and i think it deserve ban, also plz did some action to heatrock, it is more annoying than heattom!
 
I'm on the fence on whether or not I think Rotom-H is broken in a vacuum, as I can make arguments for and against that claim. However, I think a lot of the DnB arguments fail to assess that while, yes, we do have other threats that require checking in the builder, their checks are very splashable. With Rotom-H you are essentially forced to use Rhydon/Lanturn or you will feel considerably weak to the Pokemon, and there is no real way around that imo. This has been the state of the tier for a very long while now so I'm kind of surprised it took a lot of people this long to come to the conclusion. It is absolutely restrictive in builder, and more-so than any other Pokemon that we have in the tier. Pawmot/Bruxish/Gbro/Arcanine/Kilo have a much wider range for their ability to be countered, and I fail to find that statement to be true when it comes to Rotom-H. I've been building and playing SVPU for years now (and not to honk my own horn) with good success, so I'd like to think I'm fairly accurate in my assessment of the mon.

I really do believe SVPU will change by a huge amount, and for the better, with Rotom-H banned.
 
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