Also...the comparisons to Breloom are retarded. While Venusaur is not "bulky" per se, Breloom is downright FRAIL (guys it has 60/80/60 defenses, that's worse than infernape), extremely slow for the tier its in, and highly predictable. It also has several counters that can stay in and sleep for as long as they want before stalling it out of all its PP; Celebi, Zapdos, RestTalk Gyarados, etc etc etc. Nothing wants to be asleep on a Venusaur, because the only thing that isn't beaten with 3+ turns of sleep is Registeel. Venusaur also gets synth and better coverage and typing and etc etc etc. They're not comparable, just like Venusaur and Moltres aren't comparable.